RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

[engineerhockeyfan]

Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

Concur. Also be patient with JL FDude. From the game I saw on Fri., he was knocking on the door and made some awesome passes. He is not a dominate puck possession guy but a finisher. He is going to be good.

I too was at the game Friday. And JL just looked uncomfortable (maybe a little nervous). He was in the right place, but was not ready to pull the trigger. Also, he was not as animated as the rest of the team. He didn't seem to be in the flow. I just think that he needs to get a couple of games under his belt. As I said, he was right where he needed to be to score, now he has to relax and let it go.
Diebold was great. His positioning is flawless. I have no problem having him in there against anyone.
I did not see or hear last nights game, but reading the scores thread, it seems like Merriam is also ready to go.
I can't wait for next week. It is going to be a very exciting year.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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It seems to me that ECAC officials make random calls at times.

That is absolutely correct. On many occasions I have seen a ref miss a play and when he turned back and saw a player on the ice, he made a call that he never saw. This happens very often. They hear the crowd, they turn around, and they make up a call. Sometimes they actually get it right, but more often than not, they get it wrong. If they just called what they think they see, they might be better. But they guess a lot.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Too bad the board doesn't lock threads anymore, we'd have to think up a new title already.

RPI 2011-12 Part II: Banter between Ralph Baer and FlagDUDE08

 

[Timmah!]

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A. Olin Niles certainly seemed like a figurehead, at least by the time I was at RPI.

A. Olin Niles was the original figurehead. I wonder if the band played Tarantella when he asked them to....

 

[Senna]

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I think most teams feel as you do - our team rarely gets the benefit, and usually gets hosed. And we remember the calls that went against us WAY longer then those that went our way.

On Friday, one of the ref's came out and skated around like some kind of peacock. Even my youngest started laughing that the guy was just a total poser and show off. It carried thru to the game also. Its not about the refs. The best games are when you dont even really realize they are there. The Saturday game with Hicks was horrible. I must have watched an entirely different game....and that call that put us 2 men in the box when our player held up rather than running the goalie and resulted in a huge scrum, with no-one from MSU in the box, was unbelievable. Look, I agree that no one thinks they get calls in their favor - but what I see called against us sometimes is just beyond amazing.

 

[Jasma]

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What the heck is this place?

The defense is going to instill pride this year. Be patient with the offense, they'll find their way eventually. Schroeder and Haggerty are very skilled. The talk of RPI's goaltending being dead in the water was greatly exaggerated. Merriam and Diebold are both very good.

Enjoy the ride folks, it's going to be a good one.

Gret post. I agree. The defense and goaltending will keep us in many games the first half of the year and allow the younger scorers to mature and contribute a great deal down the stretch. I think we are going to like this team a lot.

 

[ibanezist00]

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I didn't say that ECAC officials are worse. I said that it was a comment of MSU fans. I get very few opportunites to watch WCHA officials. I will say that ECAC officials are worse than NHL officials, but that is to be expected.

It seems to me that ECAC officials make random calls at times.

I apologize, I didn't mean to make it sound like you said that -- I meant to ask your opinion on what they said more than anything. I trust veteran opinion. :-D

 

[GRussinko]

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On Friday, one of the ref's came out and skated around like some kind of peacock. Even my youngest started laughing that the guy was just a total poser and show off. It carried thru to the game also. Its not about the refs. The best games are when you dont even really realize they are there. The Saturday game with Hicks was horrible. I must have watched an entirely different game....and that call that put us 2 men in the box when our player held up rather than running the goalie and resulted in a huge scrum, with no-one from MSU in the box, was unbelievable. Look, I agree that no one thinks they get calls in their favor - but what I see called against us sometimes is just beyond amazing.

Agreed, that was the call that took the cake. Our forward stopped short (and I will admit he snowed the goalie pretty good, so if they wanted to call that unsportsmanlike so be it), was immediately elbowed and crosschecked several times by two players from MSU and somehow we ended up down by two men for a full two minutes.

 

[Jasma]

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Stop with the paranoia. Despite what you think, these guys are human and make mistakes. They also have emotions that can sometimes get in the way. I would bet that they all have a coach or two they don't like, and try as you may, sometimes you can't help having your emotions color some of your decisions in anything you do.

The officiating was not good this weekend, but it was not good for both teams. Minn State was not happy either. Think about how RPI fans would feel about going west and giving up 17 or 18 power plays in two games, inclduing 11 the first night. Throw in the injuries to their palyers and the game misconduct and they are feeling like they got hosed.

The officiating is not going to get better anytime soon. Looking for conspiracies in every rink is not going to help. Voicing your frustration and displeasure at officials and opponents during games is the right of a paying fan. Abusing the officials, loudly and constantly won't help. Cheer FOR something sometimes; you'll have more fun.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Agreed, that was the call that took the cake. Our forward stopped short (and I will admit he snowed the goalie pretty good, so if they wanted to call that unsportsmanlike so be it), was immediately elbowed and crosschecked several times by two players from MSU and somehow we ended up down by two men for a full two minutes.

One of the MSU players did end up the box. Too bad it was a matching minor. I still don't know why the heck Malchuk was put in the box; did he mistakenly go over the crease line while the officials were discussing, or something along those asinine lines?

 

[Jasma]

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that is a great point and a flaw with many offcials in all sports. That is one of my biggest complaints. They guess or assume a foul or penalty. The main rule should be, if you didn't absolutely see, don't call it, but that is rare.

 

[Jasma]

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Malchuk was called for facemasking. He obviously did not agree with the call.

 

[ibanezist00]

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Lack of consistency across different teams and different penalties themselves is the biggest problem I have with the reffing, and this does go beyond the ECAC and college hockey in general (though I think the magnitude of the problem is largest in the ECAC). It's not that they necessarily make bad calls or incorrect calls (those are a fact of life in any sport and are to be expected), it's that they will call a minor penalty that was questionable in the first place, and then be staring at something blatant happening in front of them and not make the call (see: obvious tripping of one of our players by MSU in Friday night's game, that the ref was staring directly at).

I believe there is an Ed Weaver/Troy Record article from the end of last season floating around out there that echoes my sentiments.

 

[REDaero91]

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One of the MSU players did end up the box. Too bad it was a matching minor. I still don't know why the heck Malchuk was put in the box; did he mistakenly go over the crease line while the officials were discussing, or something along those asinine lines?

Agreed, that was the call that took the cake. Our forward stopped short (and I will admit he snowed the goalie pretty good, so if they wanted to call that unsportsmanlike so be it), was immediately elbowed and crosschecked several times by two players from MSU and somehow we ended up down by two men for a full two minutes.

I agree. MSU was definitely the instigator on that one, yet we had two players get called for penalties on top of the matching minors. I know the call on Malchuk was definitely "facemasking". Whether or not he did it I couldn't actually see. I did appreciate that one of the refs spent at least a full five minutes explaining the calls to Mike Bergin (the captain who didn't get sent to the box) and listening to what he had to say, rather than just brushing him off.

Stop with the paranoia. Despite what you think, these guys are human and make mistakes. They also have emotions that can sometimes get in the way. I would bet that they all have a coach or two they don't like, and try as you may, sometimes you can't help having your emotions color some of your decisions in anything you do.

The officiating was not good this weekend, but it was not good for both teams. Minn State was not happy either. Think about how RPI fans would feel about going west and giving up 17 or 18 power plays in two games, inclduing 11 the first night. Throw in the injuries to their palyers and the game misconduct and they are feeling like they got hosed.

The officiating is not going to get better anytime soon. Looking for conspiracies in every rink is not going to help. Voicing your frustration and displeasure at officials and opponents during games is the right of a paying fan. Abusing the officials, loudly and constantly won't help. Cheer FOR something sometimes; you'll have more fun.

I understand that quite a lot of the time we are just being paranoid, and that the refs aren't always stacked against us. When Hicks came out onto the ice on Saturday, a large portion of the crowd booed. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, new year and all that. The first period was surprisingly decent, and I hoped things had turned around. But when we got that lopsided 5x3 call 15 seconds into the second period...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I agree. MSU was definitely the instigator on that one, yet we had two players get called for penalties on top of the matching minors. I know the call on Malchuk was definitely "facemasking". Whether or not he did it I couldn't actually see. I did appreciate that one of the refs spent at least a full five minutes explaining the calls to Mike Bergin (the captain who didn't get sent to the box) and listening to what he had to say, rather than just brushing him off.

I understand that quite a lot of the time we are just being paranoid, and that the refs aren't always stacked against us. When Hicks came out onto the ice on Saturday, a large portion of the crowd booed. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, new year and all that. The first period was surprisingly decent, and I hoped things had turned around. But when we got that lopsided 5x3 call 15 seconds into the second period...

Hey, the 5x3 call could have been about 37-38 minutes later, and we would be having a completely different discussion...

Thanks for the details on the Malchuk penalty. I didn't see the call from way over in section 9, and didn't remember hearing Kurt or Joe mention what the penalty was (tough hearing Al when you have an earpiece in your ear). Hopefully RPI-TV will have the game up on their website soon so we can take another look and see what really happened.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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I apologize, I didn't mean to make it sound like you said that -- I meant to ask your opinion on what they said more than anything. I trust veteran opinion. :-D

My opinion is that I don't see enough WCHA games to have an opinion. Seriously, on occasion I do watch WCHA games on TV -- they do seem better reffed overall.

 

[REDaero91]

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Hey, the 5x3 call could have been about 37-38 minutes later, and we would be having a completely different discussion...

Thanks for the details on the Malchuk penalty. I didn't see the call from way over in section 9, and didn't remember hearing Kurt or Joe mention what the penalty was (tough hearing Al when you have an earpiece in your ear). Hopefully RPI-TV will have the game up on their website soon so we can take another look and see what really happened.

Saturday's game is now up-I think RHamilton mentioned they had technical difficulties again with Friday's game, hopefully it'll be posted soon too. In addition to the normal footage of the game, they have added a feature called "Multiviewer", which seems to be every camera angle at once. Very cool!

 

[GRussinko]

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In addition to the normal footage of the game, they have added a feature called "Multiviewer", which seems to be every camera angle at once. Very cool!

This may possibly be the best thing ever created.

 

[RHamilton]

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Hopefully RPI-TV will have the game up on their website soon so we can take another look and see what really happened.

10/8 game is up in 16:9 SD. Our HD recording ended up being of the multiviewer, which is kind of cool, if disorienting.
http://www.rpitv.org/productions/407-mens-hockey-vs-minnesota-state

10/7 game will make it up eventually.

 

[GRussinko]

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10/8 game is up in 16:9 SD. Our HD recording ended up being of the multiviewer, which is kind of cool, if disorienting.
http://www.rpitv.org/productions/407-mens-hockey-vs-minnesota-state

10/7 game will make it up eventually.

One of the TV networks last season (during the NCAAs I think) was broadcasting essentially what this multiviewer is online, in real time with the actual game broadcast on TV. The multiviewer carried the audio chatter among the camera crews while the game broadcast had the actual game audio and commentary. It was one of the coolest things I had seen in quite some time. I would love to see that video made available for all games; I'm hoping it doesn't just get called a mistake and dropped for future ones.