RPI 2011-12 Part V: Don't Stop Believing

[Red Cloud]

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It's not me, it's the team. You do realize that they won just their 10th game last night, right?

 

[Red Cloud]

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Normally most stats do not make sense to me. Then I have a little vodka-and it all seems to get very clear.

Here's a big red flag to me on the "combined special teams" stat - Quinnipiac logged both a better power play and a better penalty kill than did RPI, and yet somehow combined RPI is better? I don't buy it. I think the real thing is that teams that find themselves on the penalty kill more often than they are on the power play (like RPI for the last billion seasons in a row) are more likely to get an artificial boost in the "combined special teams" because it's far easier to kill a penalty (which can sometimes happen because the opposing power play sucks, or just doesn't click) than it is to score a power play goal, as evidenced by most of the weakest penalty kills still hovering around 75% or so.

 

[knsmith]

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Aspy-thought you might be interested in a little history of John Murphy in games we play against Cornell. Here is the breakdown since 1999 and included last night.

In Troy- RPI penalties 3 for 6 minutes Cornell penalties 3 for 6 minutes
Lake Placid- RPI penalties 5 for 10 minutes Cornell penalties 2 for 4 minutes
In Ithaca- RPI penalties 35 for 73 minutes Cornell penalties 16 for 32 minutes

Totals-RPI penalties 43 for 89 minutes Cornell penalties 21 for 42 minutes

We have had him only once during this period in Troy and only once in an ECAC playoff game in lake Placid.
We have had him 4 times in Ithaca.

The statistics guys here can make of this what they want. But in not any single game has he called more penalties for more minutes against Cornell than he has against RPI(at least in the last 13 years). I guess Cornell is just a very disciplined team(especially at home) when they play against RPI and we are just a bunch of hooligans when we travel.

I have an more incredilbe chart about Tim Kotyra but it is still a little incomplete. As an interesting note-we used to draw Dan Murphy or Chip McDonald very often when we played against Cornell in Ithaca and the numbers when they were on the ice were vastly different. Probably just some weird coincidence???

Would be very interested to see what you have as far as Kotyra!

 

[DrDemento]

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Would be very interested to see what you have as far as Kotyra!

KN-What I have relating to Kotyra is pretty complete and covers back to about 1993(I am not sure if he was involved in ECAC officiating before that). I have to go through it since most is on separate score sheets for the years 1993-2001 when we attended almost every game. It also get a bit complicated for me in the past few years because of the two official system when at times I was kind of lax and only wrote one name down(but collegehockeystats does list everything from 1999 to the present). I always kept track of won/loss/tie records with officials satring way back in the 1960's but started to total the penalties called during the nineties. It all started with Jenny's particular dislike for Mike Noeth and I just started to add all the penalties to our programs. I can say for sure however that our won-loss record is worse with Kotyra anywhere on the ice than with anyone else I could find. Again-perhaps all of this is just coincidence and my paranoia is getting the best of me. I posted the John Murphy/Cornell numbers just to see what sort of comments I would get from our astute posters. When i have everything together on Mr. Kotyra I will post it.
I am trying very hard to find a box score from the RPI/SLU game at Boston garden March 1992. We were the lowest seed in the playoffs-we were leading 5-2 and then suffered an incredible number of penalties some of which were more than questionable and SLU came back to tie and then win in a second overtime 6-5. I was pretty sure the ref that day was a Murphy (but it could have been Dan and not John). Just another episode that sticks in my throat. If anyone can find that box score please post it.

 

[NYhockeyguy]

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Goal highlights are up on the ecac site under video from last night for those interested.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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KN-What I have relating to Kotyra is pretty complete and covers back to about 1993(I am not sure if he was involved in ECAC officiating before that). I have to go through it since most is on separate score sheets for the years 1993-2001 when we attended almost every game. It also get a bit complicated for me in the past few years because of the two official system when at times I was kind of lax and only wrote one name down(but collegehockeystats does list everything from 1999 to the present). I always kept track of won/loss/tie records with officials satring way back in the 1960's but started to total the penalties called during the nineties. It all started with Jenny's particular dislike for Mike Noeth and I just started to add all the penalties to our programs. I can say for sure however that our won-loss record is worse with Kotyra anywhere on the ice than with anyone else I could find. Again-perhaps all of this is just coincidence and my paranoia is getting the best of me. I posted the John Murphy/Cornell numbers just to see what sort of comments I would get from our astute posters. When i have everything together on Mr. Kotyra I will post it.
I am trying very hard to find a box score from the RPI/SLU game at Boston garden March 1992. We were the lowest seed in the playoffs-we were leading 5-2 and then suffered an incredible number of penalties some of which were more than questionable and SLU came back to tie and then win in a second overtime 6-5. I was pretty sure the ref that day was a Murphy (but it could have been Dan and not John). Just another episode that sticks in my throat. If anyone can find that box score please post it.

Given what you described, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Frank.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Goal highlights are up on the ecac site under video from last night for those interested.

Just saw Friday's game on TW on Demand (not sure if you guys will get that back in Albany). You'd think after all the F-bombs they'd stop mic'ing the refs. And those F-bombs are from the refs, too.

 

[NYhockeyguy]

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Just saw Friday's game on TW on Demand (not sure if you guys will get that back in Albany). You'd think after all the F-bombs they'd stop mic'ing the refs. And those F-bombs are from the refs, too.

They're replaying it on channel 3 right now in the 1st intermission..and I noted that in the scores thread i heard atlest 2 or 3 from the refs and Don Vaughn kindly reminded the refs how many [freaking] cameras are in the place for review

 

[BigGuy]

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KN-What I have relating to Kotyra is pretty complete and covers back to about 1993(I am not sure if he was involved in ECAC officiating before that). I have to go through it since most is on separate score sheets for the years 1993-2001 when we attended almost every game. It also get a bit complicated for me in the past few years because of the two official system when at times I was kind of lax and only wrote one name down(but collegehockeystats does list everything from 1999 to the present). I always kept track of won/loss/tie records with officials satring way back in the 1960's but started to total the penalties called during the nineties. It all started with Jenny's particular dislike for Mike Noeth and I just started to add all the penalties to our programs. I can say for sure however that our won-loss record is worse with Kotyra anywhere on the ice than with anyone else I could find. Again-perhaps all of this is just coincidence and my paranoia is getting the best of me. I posted the John Murphy/Cornell numbers just to see what sort of comments I would get from our astute posters. When i have everything together on Mr. Kotyra I will post it.
I am trying very hard to find a box score from the RPI/SLU game at Boston garden March 1992. We were the lowest seed in the playoffs-we were leading 5-2 and then suffered an incredible number of penalties some of which were more than questionable and SLU came back to tie and then win in a second overtime 6-5. I was pretty sure the ref that day was a Murphy (but it could have been Dan and not John). Just another episode that sticks in my throat. If anyone can find that box score please post it.

The answer is Dan Murphy. I'm working on scanning in the complete box (and TU article), and then I need to figure out where to put it on the web.

 

[REDaero91]

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Goal highlights are up on the ecac site under video from last night for those interested.

Thanks! Do you know if there are highlights from Friday's game anywhere?

 

[NYhockeyguy]

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Thanks! Do you know if there are highlights from Friday's game anywhere?

ECAC hasnt put them up yet and I couldnt find them on youtube, i'd imagine they will go up eventually because it was televised but if you really want to see them the game is on TV right now assuming you're in the Capital District haha

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Thanks! Do you know if there are highlights from Friday's game anywhere?

If you have Time Warner, check on demand.

 

[BigGuy]

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Thanks! Do you know if there are highlights from Friday's game anywhere?

There are some video highlights at the address below. Being a central NY site, they are Colgate-focused and don't have all the good stuff.

http://centralny.ynn.com/content/sports/574972/colgate-clincher-delayed-by-rpi/

 

[rpi82]

KN-What I have relating to Kotyra is pretty complete and covers back to about 1993(I am not sure if he was involved in ECAC officiating before that). I have to go through it since most is on separate score sheets for the years 1993-2001 when we attended almost every game. It also get a bit complicated for me in the past few years because of the two official system when at times I was kind of lax and only wrote one name down(but collegehockeystats does list everything from 1999 to the present). I always kept track of won/loss/tie records with officials satring way back in the 1960's but started to total the penalties called during the nineties. It all started with Jenny's particular dislike for Mike Noeth and I just started to add all the penalties to our programs. I can say for sure however that our won-loss record is worse with Kotyra anywhere on the ice than with anyone else I could find. Again-perhaps all of this is just coincidence and my paranoia is getting the best of me. I posted the John Murphy/Cornell numbers just to see what sort of comments I would get from our astute posters. When i have everything together on Mr. Kotyra I will post it.
I am trying very hard to find a box score from the RPI/SLU game at Boston garden March 1992. We were the lowest seed in the playoffs-we were leading 5-2 and then suffered an incredible number of penalties some of which were more than questionable and SLU came back to tie and then win in a second overtime 6-5. I was pretty sure the ref that day was a Murphy (but it could have been Dan and not John). Just another episode that sticks in my throat. If anyone can find that box score please post it.

Argh! I will never forget the throwing the puck penalty. I generally don't buy the referee conspiracy theories, but that night at the old Garden was probably the most creative bit of refereeing I've ever witnessed. It was if they were on a singular mission to get SLU enough power plays to win.

 

[BigGuy]

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I am trying very hard to find a box score from the RPI/SLU game at Boston garden March 1992. We were the lowest seed in the playoffs-we were leading 5-2 and then suffered an incredible number of penalties some of which were more than questionable and SLU came back to tie and then win in a second overtime 6-5. I was pretty sure the ref that day was a Murphy (but it could have been Dan and not John). Just another episode that sticks in my throat. If anyone can find that box score please post it.

I have now posted the box score (showing Dan Murphy as the ref) and Times Union game article at the following link. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, after the Harvard quarterfinal victory stuff. I was at both the Harvard and St. Lawrence playoff games that year. What a disappointment the SLU outcome was. The Jeff Brick throwing the puck penalty was pure BS. But looking at the box score, it was the freshmen and sophomores that year who made much of the noise in the SLU game. But a senior such as Rick Borina, not known for his scoring, stepped up and scored a big goal in the 3rd. Hopefully, the guys this year can bottle some of this magic.

I went to just about every home game from 1990 - 1996, and have tried to paste newspaper clippings for each home and away game in game programs. I also have many game clippings after 1996. If you're looking for something else, let me know and I'll see what I have.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzerdfkr/

 

[DrDemento]

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The answer is Dan Murphy. I'm working on scanning in the complete box (and TU article), and then I need to figure out where to put it on the web.

Thanks BigGuy-I have the program but it is at our other house. I thought it might not have been John but i knew it was a Murphy. Classic screw job with some of the most unusal calls late in the third period to take this one away from RPI. Not saying we were the best team in the league that year by any means. But we were on an incredible roll and it was shameful to be stopped by officiating.

 

[DrDemento]

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Argh! I will never forget the throwing the puck penalty. I generally don't buy the referee conspiracy theories, but that night at the old Garden was probably the most creative bit of refereeing I've ever witnessed. It was if they were on a singular mission to get SLU enough power plays to win.

Glad someone confirmed this all for me. The parade to the penalty box in the third period was bad enough-but the throwing the puck (delay of game they called it) after a goal was scored was just too much for me that night as well.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Sounds like the off-season already.

 

[DrDemento]

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I have now posted the box score (showing Dan Murphy as the ref) and Times Union game article at the following link. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, after the Harvard quarterfinal victory stuff. I was at both the Harvard and St. Lawrence playoff games that year. What a disappointment the SLU outcome was. The Jeff Brick throwing the puck penalty was pure BS. But looking at the box score, it was the freshmen and sophomores that year who made much of the noise in the SLU game. But a senior such as Rick Borina, not known for his scoring, stepped up and scored a big goal in the 3rd. Hopefully, the guys this year can bottle some of this magic.

I went to just about every home game from 1990 - 1996, and have tried to paste newspaper clippings for each home and away game in game programs. I also have many game clippings after 1996. If you're looking for something else, let me know and I'll see what I have.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzerdfkr/

Greatly appreciated. The 2 penalties late in the third period was what I had referred to. The throwing the puck penalty(after SLU scored and Jeff just took the puck out of the net and shot it down the ice in disgust) just plain smelled and led to a pp goal and then the holding call even later (which was also questionable) led to another pp goal to tie it up with seconds left. SLU was a very good team and very deserving to be there-but Murphy handed them this one. I had only brought it up after my discussion of the John Murphy reffing at Cornell. I never could keep the Murphys straight. i do remember being very surprised with the reaction of coach Powers. He stayed quite calm without much fussing at all about the calls. If it was me i would have been admitted to Mass General with a stroke.

 

[DrDemento]

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Sounds like the off-season already.

We will get back to the season shortly-and might need a new thread title soon. For the moment let's just enjoy the recent events. For me the only way the Cornell game could have ended better would be for Cullen to have held the puck for about 17 more seconds before scoring.