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RPI 2011-12 Part V: Don't Stop Believing

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I was so upset by the Freakout outcome, that I forgot to ask this very important question.
What was that cat doing out on the ice with Puckman?
Are we changing our name again? What was the impetus for a second mascot?


You can thank me for this. When the ValleyCats first came to the area and Southpaw and I were "best friends," they asked me if I could get them in to the RPI games, as I was still a student there. The rest as they say is history.
 
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You can thank me for this. When the ValleyCats first came to the area and Southpaw and I were "best friends," they asked me if I could get them in to the RPI games, as I was still a student there. The rest as they say is history.

Cross promotion at its finest. The question remains: Have the Valley Cats reciprocated? Have they hosted Puck Man ???
 
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Cross promotion at its finest. The question remains: Have the Valley Cats reciprocated? Have they hosted Puck Man ???
it actually may have been RPI that reciprocated. IIRC, 2 summers ago the men's hockey team threw out the 1st pitch at a game & were made available for autographs & pics.
 
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...But i strongly disagree with his statement that you should not have games that are more important than others. it is the nature of sport that some games just count more. ..
Yup. Woody Hayes/Bo Schembechler & the Ten year War being a prime example.:p
 
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RA: Thanks for posting. If we have nothing else we certainly have a coach who speaks well. I cannot remember anyone of our coaches fielding questions and responding as well as he does. He could sell ice to eskimos. But i strongly disagree with his statement that you should not have games that are more important than others. it is the nature of sport that some games just count more. Some games get you national recognition, some are in front of big crowds, some are on national TV and have a throng of possible recruits watching, and some are playoff and tournament games (like an NCAA tournament game). Some games just ARE more important and a team has to learn how to get up for these games, play well in these games and not freeze under the pressure. He used the 2 games against AIC last year as an example-sorry-every game is important but beating BU last year, our 3 results against Union, and beating Yale were more important and might have been our tickets to the tournament at the time. I honestly think he realizes this and is just playing down the importance of the BRF and some of the other games because of our poor performance in them lately. If we want to climb back up the ranks of the NCAA teams and the ECAC in particular-we have to emphasize our performance in the big important games. Of course you do not want to lose to the 58th ranked team (or to Army like we did this year). But if we continue to lose the games that we have tradionally done well with (the OOC contests against HE teams like BU, the BRF, etc), how can we expect to be considered as a program that is improving? I really wonder how this all plays out when coach SA is out on the recruiting trail and approaching prospects who can choose to go to teams ranked in the top 20 as opposed to one ranked in the bottom 10. I am not a hot shot hockey recruit-but I was, I would be thinking about what the RPI program really has to offer me right now. I certainly would look at the record the past 5 years and i would definitely be looking to see how players who do choose to come to Troy mature and whether they indeed imporve over the 4 years they spend in the program. Are the seniors in this program actually better players than they were as freshmen would be one of my major questions. And of course i would be asking how often this team gets to even play in the final four of the ECAC tournament. Now, after saying that, let's get this thing started with 2 road victories this weekend and start making a push towards the playoffs (which are indeed more important games). As usual just my 2¢

I couldn't agree with you more Doc! Every season has games that mean more than others. Although I understand SA's thought process with trying to approach each game with consistency, I would state that you try to approach each opponent consistently. However, some games are bigger than others. The old cliche that coaches will use is that they're all big. However, few programs have a tradition like the BRF and I don't think SA knows how to prepare his team for that. Approaching it as just "another game" will continue to produce the end results and lack of success SA and his team''s are experiencing.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more Doc! Every season has games that mean more than others. Although I understand SA's thought process with trying to approach each game with consistency, I would state that you try to approach each opponent consistently. However, some games are bigger than others. The old cliche that coaches will use is that they're all big. However, few programs have a tradition like the BRF and I don't think SA knows how to prepare his team for that. Approaching it as just "another game" will continue to produce the end results and lack of success SA and his team''s are experiencing.

I know i got a little wordy with that post-but i truly think that coach SA deep down does not think all games are of the same importance. He may just be saying some things to explain our record in the more important games over the past 5+ years. RPI has won over 940 games in the program history-and I just do not believe for a moment that all of those wins are in games of equal importance. Besides-I sometimes like to post some stuff for all of us to argue about when the thread gets a little stuck on whether we should move the program to HE or not.:)
 
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I couldn't agree with you more Doc! Every season has games that mean more than others. Although I understand SA's thought process with trying to approach each game with consistency, I would state that you try to approach each opponent consistently. However, some games are bigger than others. The old cliche that coaches will use is that they're all big. However, few programs have a tradition like the BRF and I don't think SA knows how to prepare his team for that. Approaching it as just "another game" will continue to produce the end results and lack of success SA and his team''s are experiencing.
No game is bigger than any other is a pile of PR hogwash. Sometimes Seth comes across as Billy Mays, only still breathing. There's no reason to pitch everything. Acknowledge the obvious sometimes: not all games are created equal. A non-conference against AIU doesn't quite stand up to BRF against Colgate. To say they are equal is to pretend that rivalries don't exist. Silly!
 
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No game is bigger than any other is a pile of PR hogwash. Sometimes Seth comes across as Billy Mays, only still breathing. There's no reason to pitch everything. Acknowledge the obvious sometimes: not all games are created equal. A non-conference against AIU doesn't quite stand up to BRF against Colgate. To say they are equal is to pretend that rivalries don't exist. Silly!

Well, I guess the fans don't see them as equal.
Did he really think that the game in the NCAA tournament was the same as the games in Alabama? I think not.
But the other thing that gets me is the lack of momentum during games. He says that he doesn't believe in that either. But you have to get a high from scoring a comeback goal to tie a game. Don't you? More often than not, we get pushed back after a goal like that.
The guy might be able to sell ice in winter, but he needs to start fires on the ice. JMO
 
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Well, I guess the fans don't see them as equal.
Did he really think that the game in the NCAA tournament was the same as the games in Alabama? I think not.
But the other thing that gets me is the lack of momentum during games. He says that he doesn't believe in that either. But you have to get a high from scoring a comeback goal to tie a game. Don't you? More often than not, we get pushed back after a goal like that.
The guy might be able to sell ice in winter, but he needs to start fires on the ice. JMO

If fans are being specially enticed to come to a game for a reason, then of course they're going to see it as a "big game". From Coach's tone with all 22 games being important, it almost sounded like his players were letting that atmosphere get to them and cause for the poor play early. In that situation, you certainly want to tone down the "excitement" and give the players a reason to play the game that made them successful in the past few weeks. If the game we're playing is good, then why should we have to depend on a "big game" to pick us up? It only causes more pressure. Obviously we have to prepare for a March scenario, but why not prepare for it by relaxing and playing a game that you know is successful?

With momentum, I don't think I EVER heard Coach say he "doesn't believe in momentum". I believe he said that momentum goes as far as you are willing to carry it. From what I can tell, the message behind that is to keep working hard and not to "coast". Momentum can give you motivation to work hard, but you must still work hard.
 
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Hi everyone. I don't usually post WaP links anymore, but I wanted to make sure my editorial from last night got a little look.

http://www.withoutapeer.com/2012/02/without-boor.html

Admirably stated. Nothing like this ever happened back in the older days of the program. Frankly I just do not understand it but then again, there is a lot of things going on in this world now that i do not pretend to comprehend. I am an old fashioned hockey guy and live and breathe old time RPI hockey. I understand that things change with time but I also believe that change is not always for the best. The disrespect being shown (at it certainly is not limited to HFH) is just one of the symptoms of modern society. I find it personally distasteful and in fact, embarrassing.
 
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Admirably stated. Nothing like this ever happened back in the older days of the program. Frankly I just do not understand it but then again, there is a lot of things going on in this world now that i do not pretend to comprehend. I am an old fashioned hockey guy and live and breathe old time RPI hockey. I understand that things change with time but I also believe that change is not always for the best. The disrespect being shown (at it certainly is not limited to HFH) is just one of the symptoms of modern society. I find it personally distasteful and in fact, embarrassing.

Tell that to the Habs fans. ;)

The most I'll do is the "alternate" lyrics. It's all a dangerous combination of pride and bullying, though.
 
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The disrespect being shown (at it certainly is not limited to HFH) is just one of the symptoms of modern society. I find it personally distasteful and in fact, embarrassing.

It's like our society has turned into UFC cage matches with words. Things have changed so dramatically on that score! :rolleyes:

I recall being at a party in Nov 1980 when people were making "hello how are you chitchat" and offhandedly remarked that I had voted for Ronald Reagan since the economy had stagnated so badly under Carter and I thought a fresh approach might be worth a shot.* Wow. It turns out that the host of the party was a government employee, and every one of her guests (except me) also was a government employee, and so the rest of the evening was a bit uncomfortable: I was treated with a mixture of curiosity and incredulity, partly as if I were a leper and partly as if I were an interesting anthropological specimen worthy of study. Yet everyone was at least civil, some people were geniunely curious even (how could anyone in their right mind possibly vote for Reagan? yet you seem like you are in your right mind...etc). I remained good friends with my hostess and we spent many enjoyable times together afterward for years, we merely refrained from discussing party politics.

Today, if you say, for example, [redacted, no sense importing the venom from the Cafe threads!] people don't merely disagree politely, they try their best to hurt, damage, destroy, obliterate, what have you. Even if you try to express a reasoned, nuanced position, people will just ignore what you actually said, exaggerate it to caricature, then mock and ridicule the caricature that they created, all so that they don't even have to acknowledge what you actually did say merely so that they could trash you personally instead.

We have so much plenty in this great country yet people scrabble for scraps as if they were starving and this was the last bit of food they'd ever see.




* all in all, in retrospect I'd say that turned out all right in the end.....I had voted for Carter in '76, and it was his deregulatory agenda that helped the Reagan boom take off. Carter's work on this score was a very important improvement for which Carter almost never receives due credit...I was not a partisan one way or the other. Still am not.
 
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