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RPI 2010-2011 VI- Red Dead Redemption

Re: RPI 2010-2011 VI- Red Dead Redemption

The PWR may have its faults, but in the end, it's still objective. All 58 teams are placed against the same process, and I'd say with at least 90% probability, thanks to the work of those that came up with the PWR method and how successful it has been in predicting the teams, that each team knows (with calculations) what they must do in order to make the tournament. This year, we happened to work the system in our favor. I'm sure there may be other years in which we are the first ones out.

There were several years when RPI was the first or second team out.
 
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I don't know if all the articles were placed up on here, but it looks like Ed Weaver was REALLY busy last night. I'm just going to put http://www.troyrecord.com/sports because there are several articles. Chase, Tyler, Greg, CJ, John, etc.

Being that I don't look much at the Record in the off season, does anyone know what Ed Weaver writes about the rest of the year?
 
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If the definition of a TUC had remained Top 25 RPI, then the Engineers would have been out because Qpac and Bemidji State (and RIT) would not have been TUCs anymore, flipping the Rensselaer-UNO comparison (since UNO went 1-7-1 against those three teams).

There are many things I do not understand about the PWR. My credentials as a PWR ignoramus are well-established. :o

However, I would have thought that "flipping a comparison" would only hurt if the comparison were between RPI and a lower-ranked team.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken, UNO, even with their 1-7-1 record against the three teams mentioned, made the tournament and was seeded higher than RPI. How could flipping the RPI-UNO comparison have resulted in the Engineers being out of the tournament?
 
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Being that I don't look much at the Record in the off season, does anyone know what Ed Weaver writes about the rest of the year?

ValleyCats.

By the way, I want to point out that RPI finished two comparisons ahead of Dartmouth at the end of the day. Flipping a single comparison wouldn't put them out of the tournament - and don't forget that leaving it at Top 25 would have had ramifications up and down the board.
 
Re: RPI 2010-2011 VI- Red Dead Redemption

There are many things I do not understand about the PWR. My credentials as a PWR ignoramus are well-established. :o

However, I would have thought that "flipping a comparison" would only hurt if the comparison were between RPI and a lower-ranked team.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken, UNO, even with their 1-7-1 record against the three teams mentioned, made the tournament and was seeded higher than RPI. How could flipping the RPI-UNO comparison have resulted in the Engineers being out of the tournament?

One counts how many comparisons with other TUCs that each team wins to order them. It is certainly possible that a team wins a comparison with a team above them which is balanced by losing one to a lower-ranked team.
 
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Thanks for the replies. For all the "faults" of the PWR, it's hard to argue about the two regular season losses to RPI.
Exactly which is why I don't feel so bad about it. I don't feel bad about BU not making it for the same reason.
 
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The last time RPI has been to the national tourney, I had just turned 14. I've just turned 30. That's a long stretch.

When my dad was born, it had been 14 years since the Cubs won the World Series. They never won during his lifetime, and he died at 70. They have not won in the 19 years since his death either.

I hope they win during MY lifetime, though I'm not expecting it will happen.

I DO hope RPI makes it to Minneapolis this year, that would be exciting.
 
Re: RPI 2010-2011 VI- Red Dead Redemption

There are many things I do not understand about the PWR. My credentials as a PWR ignoramus are well-established. :o

However, I would have thought that "flipping a comparison" would only hurt if the comparison were between RPI and a lower-ranked team.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken, UNO, even with their 1-7-1 record against the three teams mentioned, made the tournament and was seeded higher than RPI. How could flipping the RPI-UNO comparison have resulted in the Engineers being out of the tournament?
My apologies for the brevity of my original statement. RPI would have lost the UNO comparison and Dartmouth would have flipped their comparisons with Colorado College and St. Cloud State in their favor. So, the Engineers would have gone from two comparisons ahead of the Big Green to one comparison behind (still tied with CC, actually).

The UNO comparison was the only one directly related to the Engineers that was changed, but, as Tom said, comparisons were changed up and down the board. And, any time a team (like RPI) loses a comparison win, whether the team that they lost it to is ahead of or behind them, it brings them closer to the teams behind them (such as Dartmouth).

I hope that that explanation was a little more clear. Sorry for the confusion in my first post.
 
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question about PWR - what is the rationale for removing the head to head results from the record vs TUC results, beyond not counting games twice?
I don't know and can't form my words properly to provide an adequate response.
Games are counted twice if they are part of both Record vs TUC and Record vs COP, correct?
Yes.
 
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This is still the biggest issue with the PWR. Late in the season, it becomes semi-advantageous to lose early, before you can do more grievous damage to your PWR position down the road by losing to better teams.

Yeah, but you can also say if Dartmouth goes just 2-6-2 against Cornell, Yale, RPI, and Union rather than 1-7-2, they make it in. In hindsight, the killer was likely the 2-1 loss to Yale at home. Make that a 2-1 win, and they're in regardless of the ECAC tournament. Dartmouth had only 2 quality wins this year, UNH in ManchVegas and Union at home.

In other words, while it sucks being the last team out for the 3rd time in a decade, there's no real beef this year with the process.
 
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338 posts already since less than 3 days ago?! RPI make tourney, USCHO RPI thread 'splode. :eek:
 
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3 weeks without playing. For some teams that would not be good but for RPI it may be what they needed. Feb & Mar they were not playing with that looseness they had in the early and mid part of the season. No one expected much from them after they lost Kitchner Rangers Star Jerry and that other guy Pirri.
Right now no one expects anything from them except me. Barry (trying to copy Don Cherry) Melrose didn't even mention them the selection show. He looked past them and said what a great game it will be with the Fighting Souix and Denver in the final. I like Engineers V Pioneers/ more drama.
A powerplay that is capable (they were very good for a while this season) and one of the best goalies in the country. Score a couple man up goals, Chase is one of the best in the country at finding that little seam on the man up. A hot York and good d zone coverage could be just what the good Dr. D ordered.
I would rather put 50 bucks on them in Vegas than buy a 10 dollar lottery ticket.
 
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