RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

[Jasma]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Yes, those are the figures at the Collegehockeystats website.

The figures on the site at the link below show a 6-game attendance of 16,998 (2,833 per game average) and RPI's site shows 19,436 (3,239/gm). Attendance figures are not a big deal here, but considering that the Merrimack figures are also wrong it makes me wonder if their other stats are reliable.
http://www.pointstreak.com/prostats/...&seasonid=5952

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

The figures on the site at the link below show a 6-game attendance of 16,998 (2,833 per game average) and RPI's site shows 19,436 (3,239/gm). Attendance figures are not a big deal here, but considering that the Merrimack figures are also wrong it makes me wonder if their other stats are reliable.
http://www.pointstreak.com/prostats/...&seasonid=5952

The problem is that Pointstreak considered the Lake Placid game as a home game with zero attendance (it was all counted in the CCT-SLU) and for an unknown reason regarded BGSU as the home team last weekend.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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All well and good, but are they accurate? The attendance figures for RPI don't match the RPI website. Who is correct? A look at RPI stats shows they are averaging 3239 per game. Where is this site getting its numbers? Are the scoring stats more accurate?

I mentioned over 3200, how I got it was take the 6 home games attendance reporting on collegehockeystats and find the mean. I'm sure that's what RPI's site also did. We came up with the same numbers.

 

[Jasma]

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The problem is that Pointstreak considered the Lake Placid game as a home game with zero attendance (it was all counted in the CCT-SLU) and for an unknown reason regarded BGSU as the home team last weekend.

Those mistakes explain why their firgures are so screwed up. Just gotta wonder if the other stats are wrong.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Those mistakes explain why their firgures are so screwed up. Just gotta wonder if the other stats are wrong.

I guess that it is still in beta testing.

 

[troyboy]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

If anyone listened to Ken Schott on Wylands show yesterday he suggested we should look into gettting rid of the tournament....He should mind his own business and worry about adding a second bathroom to Union's Rink....or possibly a parking lot where you can park your car.....Just a Thought.....Off to New Haven.

 

[knsmith]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

If anyone listened to Ken Schott on Wylands show yesterday he suggested we should look into gettting rid of the tournament....He should mind his own business and worry about adding a second bathroom to Union's Rink....or possibly a parking lot where you can park your car.....Just a Thought.....Off to New Haven.

It doesn't seem like an unreasonable suggestion to me. Certainly, looking into what other opportunities might be available as an alternative couldn't hurt anyone. I am just grateful that we have multiple local reporters giving attention to RPI hockey, their substantive opinions notwithstanding.

 

[troyboy]

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It doesn't seem like an unreasonable suggestion to me. Certainly, looking into what other opportunities might be available as an alternative couldn't hurt anyone. I am just grateful that we have multiple local reporters giving attention to RPI hockey, their substantive opinions notwithstanding.

Excuse me are you accusing Ken Schott of being a reporter...Take that back !!!!

 

[jmhusker]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Those mistakes explain why their firgures are so screwed up. Just gotta wonder if the other stats are wrong.

Shots on goal look very low in the RPI individual STATS. I know we've had some low shot nights but 187 in 13 games seems very low to me.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

If anyone listened to Ken Schott on Wylands show yesterday he suggested we should look into gettting rid of the tournament....He should mind his own business and worry about adding a second bathroom to Union's Rink....or possibly a parking lot where you can park your car.....Just a Thought.....Off to New Haven.

I, for one, would miss the tounament. I remember the early days when it was the only game around. The years when it was during Christmas week. And the switch to Thanksgiving time. I know we have had trouble drawing top notch teams but there is something to be said for tradition.

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Shots on goal look very low in the RPI individual STATS. I know we've had some low shot nights but 187 in 13 games seems very low to me.

Where are you finding this stat? I see 356 in 13 games and 95 in 4 (ECAC) on CHS.

Ah, found it. 184 in 13 games on pointstreak. 37 goals on 184 shots? Wow, that's a high shot percentage.

Gee, it almost appears that all methods / stats sites have their own quirks and none are perfect.

 

[fishcore12]

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Excuse me are you accusing Ken Schott of being a reporter...Take that back !!!!

Ken Schott has forgotten more about college hockey than you will ever know. Stop taking jabs at him so you can get your name in one of his weekly blogs. He does a good job covering the ECAC and we should be happy that someone actually cares enough to do so.

 

[Jasma]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

If anyone listened to Ken Schott on Wylands show yesterday he suggested we should look into gettting rid of the tournament....He should mind his own business and worry about adding a second bathroom to Union's Rink....or possibly a parking lot where you can park your car.....Just a Thought.....Off to New Haven.

You make good points about Union's facility, but Schott is also right. The tournament is without a sponsor so it gets bad fields and small crowds. Give it one last shot. Move it to the TUC in Albany, let them find a sponsor to provide enough money to lure better teams. Then maybe ESPNU or some other TV outlet would pay a few more dollars for the title game and you could get some crowds and make a litttle money. Otherwise, kill it, bring in two teams for a Union-RPI series and let other places run tournments.

 

[Jasma]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Ken Schott has forgotten more about college hockey than you will ever know. Stop taking jabs at him so you can get your name in one of his weekly blogs. He does a good job covering the ECAC and we should be happy that someone actually cares enough to do so.

Whoa there Kenny boy (this is you, right?) Schott covers Union, and throws in some RPI stuff. He does not cover the ECAC well at all. In fact his story today about the weekend didn't even do RPI jsutice. He talked about Union's injuries, but didn't mention RPI's.

 

[fishcore12]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Whoa there Kenny boy (this is you, right?) Schott covers Union, and throws in some RPI stuff. He does not cover the ECAC well at all. In fact his story today about the weekend didn't even do RPI jsutice. He talked about Union's injuries, but didn't mention RPI's.

Kenny boy? What do you mean by that, please enlighten me. Just saying that the guy covers some ECAC hockey in his blog, not all ECAC, all the time. I probably should have made my statement a bit more clear for everyone. Your correct about him being the Union writer so he doesnt even have to mention RPI other than the few times they play them each season, just like Ed Weaver doesnt need to mention Union at all. We are all lucky that both Ed, Ken and now Sean Martin from the TU care so much and give college hockey coverage when they could just do all Siena and UAlbany hoops all the time. I know this is a public forum but it gets pretty old to read jabs and shots at reporters who are just trying to do his or her job.

 

[fishcore12]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

You make good points about Union's facility, but Schott is also right. The tournament is without a sponsor so it gets bad fields and small crowds. Give it one last shot. Move it to the TUC in Albany, let them find a sponsor to provide enough money to lure better teams. Then maybe ESPNU or some other TV outlet would pay a few more dollars for the title game and you could get some crowds and make a litttle money. Otherwise, kill it, bring in two teams for a Union-RPI series and let other places run tournments.

This is a great idea for a tournament but sadly I dont see it happening especially with TV coverage from ESPNU. Im not even sure Time Warner Cable would pick this up, mostly due to high school football state finals going on. The Gov. Cup as short lived as it was had a sponsor yet still drew medium sized crowds.

 

[Jasma]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Kenny boy? What do you mean by that, please enlighten me. Just saying that the guy covers some ECAC hockey in his blog, not all ECAC, all the time. I probably should have made my statement a bit more clear for everyone. Your correct about him being the Union writer so he doesnt even have to mention RPI other than the few times they play them each season, just like Ed Weaver doesnt need to mention Union at all. We are all lucky that both Ed, Ken and now Sean Martin from the TU care so much and give college hockey coverage when they could just do all Siena and UAlbany hoops all the time. I know this is a public forum but it gets pretty old to read jabs and shots at reporters who are just trying to do his or her job.

Agreed tht it is easy to take shots at these guys when you don't attach your name. That's why I don't do it. I was poking fun a little at your over-the-top assessment, however. None of the three you mentioned knows much about the rest of the college hockey world. They cover their local team. That's ok. I just don't think that they know that much about the college game beyond their little world. As for the basketball bias in this market; well that is a topic for another day.

 

[Jasma]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

This is a great idea for a tournament but sadly I dont see it happening especially with TV coverage from ESPNU. Im not even sure Time Warner Cable would pick this up, mostly due to high school football state finals going on. The Gov. Cup as short lived as it was had a sponsor yet still drew medium sized crowds.

The Governor's Cup, like the old Empire Cup in Glens Falls, just never found the right formula. they wanted to replicate the Bean Pot and that is a unique situation. Ther is, and can be, no other event like it.

Maybe the tournament idea in this area is dead.

 

[Wholin1]

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I think Ken Schott is a dedicated professional who tries to play it straight as best he can. That being said, I can understand how some may consider him biased toward Union as he does apply the majority of his work product to the home town team, which as pointed out in some posts only makes sense as his paper is in that locale. Also, even as big as he is, he can only be at one rink at a time, but when he has a chance he is in Troy, as he was over the holiday weekend. Overall, I think the college hockey scene in this area is far better off with him, than it ever would be without him.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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...Move it to the TUC in Albany, let them find a sponsor

Never gonna happen. Especially during a recession. The reason programs host tourneys (other than tradition) is to put fannies in the seats and pocket some cash. Moving anything to the TUC is a bad idea...for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is losing all of the gate and concession $$$