RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

[rpi82]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

I did not see Cullen grab the face mask. If you saw that it makes sense now. This situation is similar to when ECAC refs call tripping then embellishment on the player that was tripped. That makes no sense whatsoever. Stewart needs to address that issue in particular.

To clarify, he didn't grab it in a football sense - locking his fingers into the mask and pulling. That's pretty hard to do with a full cage and hockey gloves. He reached around Martin's helmet, placed his hand flat on the facemask and pulled him over in order to get free. That wouldn't have been necessary if the ref had just called the original penalty that was in front of him for several seconds. Our Yale friend said it was 10, which seems a little high to me, but there is no question that if Martin committed a penalty, and I thought it was pretty clear, that it occurred long before Cullen's. There's just no way to justify that sequence of calls.

 

[AspyDad]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

To clarify, he didn't grab it in a football sense - locking his fingers into the mask and pulling. That's pretty hard to do with a full cage and hockey gloves. He reached around Martin's helmet, placed his hand flat on the facemask and pulled him over in order to get free. That wouldn't have been necessary if the ref had just called the original penalty that was in front of him for several seconds. Our Yale friend said it was 10, which seems a little high to me, but there is no question that if Martin committed a penalty, and I thought it was pretty clear, that it occurred long before Cullen's. There's just no way to justify that sequence of calls.

Totally agree. nice take.

 

[AspyDad]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

.BTW what do you expect from somebody from troy ?

Troyliet

 

[GRussinko]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

To clarify, he didn't grab it in a football sense - locking his fingers into the mask and pulling. That's pretty hard to do with a full cage and hockey gloves. He reached around Martin's helmet, placed his hand flat on the facemask and pulled him over in order to get free. That wouldn't have been necessary if the ref had just called the original penalty that was in front of him for several seconds. Our Yale friend said it was 10, which seems a little high to me, but there is no question that if Martin committed a penalty, and I thought it was pretty clear, that it occurred long before Cullen's. There's just no way to justify that sequence of calls.

I'll back up the 10-second statement. The Yale player had Cullen's legs in a bear hug for about that long. It was one of several events which caused tempers to flare between our group and the idiotic homer fan sitting behind us who was *****ing and moaning for half a minute because the refs had the nerve to call a penalty on his beloved team.

The other big one was when he went off the deep end because York had the nerve to call for the trainer after spending a good 2-3 minutes on one knee in his crease, having pulled or tweaked something after making a tough save. Guy starts yelling about delay of game and all kinds of other crap while York can hardly stand up. Thankfully babo was there with the good sense to defuse the situation.

After watching York for a few seasons now, the way he was kneeling in the crease is something we had never seen from him before. Most goalies don't hug a post and take a knee WHILE PLAY IS GOING ON unless there's something actually wrong. Hopefully it was nothing serious and he's good to go for Brown today.

 

[AspyDad]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

I'll back up the 10-second statement. The Yale player had Cullen's legs in a bear hug for about that long. It was one of several events which caused tempers to flare between our group and the idiotic homer fan sitting behind us who was *****ing and moaning for half a minute because the refs had the nerve to call a penalty on his beloved team.

The other big one was when he went off the deep end because York had the nerve to call for the trainer after spending a good 2-3 minutes on one knee in his crease, having pulled or tweaked something after making a tough save. Guy starts yelling about delay of game and all kinds of other crap while York can hardly stand up. Thankfully babo was there with the good sense to defuse the situation.

After watching York for a few seasons now, the way he was kneeling in the crease is something we had never seen from him before. Most goalies don't hug a post and take a knee WHILE PLAY IS GOING ON unless there's something actually wrong. Hopefully it was nothing serious and he's good to go for Brown today.

I noticed when SA pulled Yorkie he was still hurting. He has been spectacular this year. If we lose him we are in deep do do.

 

[rpi82]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

The really odd part is that York was in that semi-collapsed position during a break in play down at the other end. The officials just lined up the players and dropped the puck (the one time it would have been helpful for them to be fussy about a face-off they weren't) without any of them or the Engineer bench noticing the situation.

 

[TuteScrooge]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

OK, I was there and time for me to chime in with my view of the game.
• Yale IS fast and constantly moving. A solid team, but I'm with troyboy here, not the #2 or #3 team in the country. let alone #1.
• York had no chance on any of the goals against him. Yale had very good movement on their powerplay, it was the difference, but I felt that we were getting a handle on how to deal with it 5 on 4; 5 on 3 is a different story.
• RPI was a bit on their heels for the first period+, they looked very tentative in the start, (an opening minute penalty didn't help) but eventually got their skating legs under them and hung with Yale. This coincided with an increase in the willingness to take the body.
• The first RPI goal was pivotal, it kind of capped a growing change of momentum, and signaled an intense third period.
• Momentum in the first 10 minutes of the third period was all 'Tute. Many shots and much scrambling by Yale, I don't think that Yale had been in this kind of position at home for a long time.
• Penalties were ultimately our undoing (observation by Captain Obvious). There were a series of three penalties, Brock Higgs (hustle play trying to slow Yale down on their breakout), could have been called, but many similar had been let go. Just after this was killed, Laboeuf was sent off for a trip (this was more 50-50). The killer was the one on Bailen that set us on the 3 on 5; in my view this was a fantasy call by the trailing ref. I agree with everything Troyboy and AsyDad said on the subject. It was the kind of call you would expect for a 'make-up' but for the wrong team. And as Troyboy pointed out, there was a similar situation just after that was not called. Bah Humbug.
• The matching penalties near the end was a complete mess. I happened in front of us and I was completely dumbfounded as to the referee's thought process. As RPI82 said, the ref was watching the whole thing intently and didn't call anything until he had them both. There was also a blatant cross-check by a Yale D-man on an RPI forward onto the back of the net right in front of this same ref. As he was watching the scrum in the corner and hadn't called anything, I assumed that this was the penalty; but no.
• Coach A had a good game, I couldn't fault him for any of his decisions. Empty net so early was a gutsy call that didn't pan out, but the right one in my view.
• I'm in accord with the majority of the posters here that it was a good performance by the undermanned Engineers against a good veteran Yale squad, with nothing to be ashamed of. Holding the top scoring team in the country to a single even strength goal, (the others were 5 on 4, 5 on 3, and empty net goals) is something to build on.
• Disagree with LTsatch's assessment of RPI as "quite a dirty team as well, a lot of uncalled for head shots and over reactions to anyone within ten feet of the crease". Yale, IMHO, is much more guilty of 'simulation' as they call it in futball. What LTsatch is calling 'dirty' I call 'finishing your check'; it was clear that Yale doesn't like the more physical side of the game. I saw several uncalled shots to the head by Yale, so if RPI had some, it seems that the refs missed them both ways.
• York seemed to be hurt late in the game, unsure what the issue was/is. Could have been an equipment issue, but seemed to be a muscle thing; I hope he is OK. He played a solid game (as usual).
• Good luck to Yale the rest of the season (apart from their visit to the HFH).
• This RPI team has heart, and has it in spades. They are tenacious and never think that they're out of the game. Good leadership from SA. the ACs and the upperclassmen. A good vibe permeates the team. Good things will be happening in Troy in the not-to-distant future.
• I think that a similar effort against Bruno will have positive results.

Just my $0.02 and worth what your paying for it.

 

[Beman]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Enjoy the rest of the season, you keep posting your jabs against a local beat writer and talking trash about him when in real life you wouldnt say any of these things to him, or I at least hope you wouldnt and would be able to have a civil discussion with him about whatever flaws you and your buddy TB have with him. All Im trying to say is that this place has become a one upper on who can be the nastiest to people and think they are awesome for doing so.

There may be a reason why other teams fans do not come on here and post things, mostly out of fear of being told in a immature manner that what they say doesnt matter at all, no matter how right or wrong they may be. What once was a fun place to post has turned into a angry, sad place for people to treat others like crap. Most statements are void of any facts and just straight insults to people and seeing how far down someone can be brought. But hey, its alright its just the internet.

Yeah that was a lecture and trying to be moral on how people shouldnt be treated when trying to make a statement or give opinions.

Wow! Take a chill pill. You are taking things a little too seroius. Eh?

Morality on a hockey BB.
Posting jabs on a beat writer is wrong? Why? He prints jabs. (you are right he is a "beat" writer)
I don't think this is a sad place I think its a hap hap happy place!

Instead of posting insults on here about the officials maybe we should concentrate on degrading the "beat" writer, and then maybe the "Fighting Apperts" from county Rensselaer will get a call in the 3rd period.

 

[AspyDad]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

As my good colleague TuteScrooge would say "Captain Obvious" moment but we had no goals from forwards all from D-Men. Expect a shake up tonight on line combos. As the fine folks of this board surmised early on, scoring is an issue w/out BP and JDA. Great take TS.

 

[LTsatch]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Article on the game from the New Haven Register.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/12/04/sports/doc4cf9c341b984b780037015.txt

Oop's it appears that your hometown newspaper is using the New Haven Registers reporter as a stringer, sorry for the repost. Chip is an excellent hockey reporter, I might add.

Any word on your goalie, he was holding his lower back, I was right behind him when he made the save and it was one of the best I have seen in a while, hope he is OK.

 

[troyboy]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

wow! Take a chill pill. You are taking things a little too seroius. Eh?

Morality on a hockey bb.
Posting jabs on a beat writer is wrong? Why? He prints jabs. (you are right he is a "beat" writer)
i don't think this is a sad place i think its a hap hap happy place!

Instead of posting insults on here about the officials maybe we should concentrate on degrading the "beat" writer, and then maybe the "fighting apperts" from county rensselaer will get a call in the 3rd period.

amen !!!!

 

[yaledoc]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

OK, I was there and time for me to chime in with my view of the game.
• Yale IS fast and constantly moving. A solid team, but I'm with troyboy here, not the #2 or #3 team in the country. let alone #1.
• York had no chance on any of the goals against him. Yale had very good movement on their powerplay, it was the difference, but I felt that we were getting a handle on how to deal with it 5 on 4; 5 on 3 is a different story.
• RPI was a bit on their heels for the first period+, they looked very tentative in the start, (an opening minute penalty didn't help) but eventually got their skating legs under them and hung with Yale. This coincided with an increase in the willingness to take the body.
• The first RPI goal was pivotal, it kind of capped a growing change of momentum, and signaled an intense third period.
• Momentum in the first 10 minutes of the third period was all 'Tute. Many shots and much scrambling by Yale, I don't think that Yale had been in this kind of position at home for a long time.
• Penalties were ultimately our undoing (observation by Captain Obvious). There were a series of three penalties, Brock Higgs (hustle play trying to slow Yale down on their breakout), could have been called, but many similar had been let go. Just after this was killed, Laboeuf was sent off for a trip (this was more 50-50). The killer was the one on Bailen that set us on the 3 on 5; in my view this was a fantasy call by the training ref. I agree with everything Troyboy and AsyDad said on the subject. It was the kind of call you would expect for a 'make-up' but for the wrong team. And as Troyboy pointed out, there was a similar situation just after that was not called. Bah Humbug.
• The matching penalties near the end was a complete mess. I happened in front of us and I was completely dumbfounded as to the referee's thought process. As RPI82 said, the ref was watching the whole thing intently and didn't call anything until he had them both. There was also a blatant cross-check by a Yale D-man on an RPI forward onto the back of the net right in front of this same ref. As he was watching the scrum in the corner and hadn't called anything, I assumed that this was the penalty; but no.
• Coach A had a good game, I couldn't fault him for any of his decisions. Empty net so early was a gutsy call that didn't pan out, but the right one in my view.
• I'm in accord with the majority of the posters here that it was a good performance by the undermanned Engineers against a good veteran Yale squad, with nothing to be ashamed of. Holding the top scoring team in the country to a single even strength goal, (the others were 5 on 4, 5 on t, and empty net goals) is something to build on.
• Disagree with LTsatch's assessment of RPI as "quite a dirty team as well, a lot of uncalled for head shots and over reactions to anyone within ten feet of the crease". Yale, IMHO, is much more guilty of 'simulation' as they call it in futball. What LTsatch is calling 'dirty' I call 'finishing your check'; it was clear that Yale doesn't like the more physical side of the game. I saw several uncalled shots to the head by Yale, so if RPI had some, it seems that the refs missed them both ways.
• York seemed to be hurt late in the game, unsure what the issue was/is. Could have been an equipment issue, but seemed to be a muscle thing; I hope he is OK. He played a solid game (as usual).
• Good luck to Yale the rest of the season (apart from their visit to the HFH).
• This RPI team has heart, and has it in spades. They are tenacious and never think that they're out of the game. Good leadership from SA. the ACs and the upperclassmen. A good vibe permeates the team. Good things will be happening in Troy in the not-to-distant future.
• I think that a similar effort against Bruno will have positive results.

Just my $0.02 and worth what your paying for it.

TuteScrooge;

Thank you for a post that was well-written, thoughtful,and incisive. Mirabile dictu, I even agree with 95% of what you said.
Seth Appert is, indeed, one of the premier coaches .... young OR old.... in all of college hockey. His hunger to win comes through
the computer screen from 3,000 miles away!!! RPI is a talented and extremely scrappy squad, and even on a night when he was
point-less, Polacek was impressive. It's a bit scary to imagine this club with D'Amigo and Pirri.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

The really odd part is that York was in that semi-collapsed position during a break in play down at the other end. The officials just lined up the players and dropped the puck (the one time it would have been helpful for them to be fussy about a face-off they weren't) without any of them or the Engineer bench noticing the situation.

Well the officials are supposed to check the goalie/net when setting a face off. That said, if Allen was hurting and was unable to ready himself in time for a faceoff, he needs to get the attention of a ref.

 

[rpi82]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

It also seemed to me that the 2 calls in the 3rd to put RPI down 2 men could have both been avoided. The first came after a failed dump attempt from center ice which Yale turned into an odd-man rush and RPI penalty. The 2nd came after a failed clearing attempt near the top of the zone when on the kill which allowed Yale to keep it in the zone soon leading to the call. I'm not saying either penalty was a good or bad call by the refs as I admittedly didn't have the greatest view of that end of the ice but I do think both could have been avoided.

I forgot to comment on this. RPI08 is correct, both goals followed shortly after failed clears. As the game went on the Engineers began to skate very effectively with Yale, but one place that the Bulldog's speed seemed to affect them was on clears and breakouts. A number of times they seemed to rush things and failed to execute. As they say speed kills, but sometimes it is self-inflicted. The tendency when playing a fast team is to accelerate the game in each player's head - sometimes more than necessary.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

...The fact that RPI is undisciplined and chippy is the fault of the coach. Less penalties=more wins.

Yeah, because Martin's WWF-esque "Figure Four Leg Lock" on Cullen was a classic example of discipline and sportsmanship...riiiiight. What a crock.

 

[AspyDad]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Yeah, because Martin's WWF-esque "Figure Four Leg Lock" on Cullen was a classic example of discipline and sportsmanship...riiiiight. What a crock.

Kick save and a beauty Reputation points coming ur way from me.

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

I think you are right but I don't think we are just having trouble with Yale on the clear that has been a problem all year.

Re-read the post you replied to. rpi82 is saying that Yale's speed made them fail on their clears and we capitalized on those failed clears for our two goals. There's no question that our failed clears have bitten us in the azz.

 

[AspyDad]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

Re-read the post you replied to. rpi82 is saying that Yale's speed made them fail on their clears and we capitalized on those failed clears for our two goals. There's no question that our failed clears have bitten us in the azz.

Thanx. Must not have had my reading glasses on. Yea, clearing the puck has been a problem. Bailen has been the best at it.

 

[Wholin1]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

I'm a bit bored this afternoon (I'm actually watching the Devils game ) so I thought I'd stir the pot a bit with this quote from the Brown thread. I can't agree with this so I'm sure you can't. It includes an invitation to rip on him too. Good luck this afternoon.

"That's a program that can't admit that they were outplayed last year by a Brown team, and they accused Brown ad nauseum on our board of being cheap shot artists. They wer"e sore losers to the max last year, and you can bet they don't want to taste a loss to Bruno again. I fully expect to get ripped on by an RPI guy for making this comment. But the team, too, doesn't want to admit they lost to Brown, so you can bet they're going to come out and have a TON of fire. Verry dangerous game based on revenge alone.

 

[Beman]

Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

I'm a bit bored this afternoon (I'm actually watching the Devils game ) so I thought I'd stir the pot a bit with this quote from the Brown thread. I can't agree with this so I'm sure you can't. It includes an invitation to rip on him too. Good luck this afternoon.

"That's a program that can't admit that they were outplayed last year by a Brown team, and they accused Brown ad nauseum on our board of being cheap shot artists. They wer"e sore losers to the max last year, and you can bet they don't want to taste a loss to Bruno again. I fully expect to get ripped on by an RPI guy for making this comment. But the team, too, doesn't want to admit they lost to Brown, so you can bet they're going to come out and have a TON of fire. Verry dangerous game based on revenge alone.

If you are not a cheap shot artist you really aren't concentrating.