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[lmg6841]

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Where's that Frozen Four, new arena wave of good recruits we were promised?!

Final list is out for the NHL Central Scouting. No AHA current or committed players made the cut. UCONN has two skaters on the list of 210 North American Skaters. That is more than Union who may win a National Championship this weekend. Talk about what getting out of the AHA can do for you. Do note I did not check the Euro list, but hardly any college guys in there.

For those who care here is the list I came up with...

Skaters

19 Nick Schmaltz - Committed to North Dakota, also been drafted by Windsor of the OHL
30 Jack Dougherty - Committed to Wisconsin
38 Jack Glover - Committed to Minnesota
42 Luc Snuggerud - Committed to UNO
43 Josh Jacobs - Committed to Michigan State, also been drafted by Sarnia of the OHL
44 Jonathan Macleod - Committed to Boston U, also been drafted by Moncton Wilcats
48 Gavin Bayreuther - Playing at St. Lawrence
57 Ryan Collins - Committed to UMass-Lowel
58 Ryan Donato - Committed to Harvard, also drafted by Rimouski of the QMJHL
61 Matt Berkovitz - Committed to Wisconsin
63 Brandon Hickey - Committed to Boston U
66 Warren Foegele - Committed to UNH, also drafted by Kingston of the OHL
73 Kelly Summers - Committed to Clarkson, also been drafted by Oshawa of the OHL
74 Miles Gendron - Committed to UCONN, also drafted by Moncton of the QMJHL
79 Beau Starrett - Committed to Cornell
81 Mitchel Slattery - Comitted to Saint Cloud State
87 Maxim Letunov - Committed to Boston U also drafted by Salavat Yulaev Ufa in the KHL
89 Nick Wolff - Committed to UMD
92 Brandon Montour - Committed to UMASS
94 Karson Kuhlman - Commited to UMD
98 Matheson Iacopelli - Committed to Western Michigan
100 Austin Poganski - Committed to North Dakota
101 Anders Bjork - Committed to Notre Dame
106 Jake Evan - Committed to Notre Dame also drafted by Kitchener in the OHL
107 Louis Belpedio - Committed to Miami of Ohio and drafted by Windsor of the OHL
108 Michael Prapacessis - Committed to RPI and drafted by Saginaw of the OHL
109 Joey Dudek - Committed to Boston College and drafted by Quebec of the QMJHL
114 Anthony Angello - Comitted to Cornell and drafted by Sault Ste. Marie of the OHL
116 Maxwell Willman - Committed to Brown
117 Tyler Bird - Committed to Brown and drafted by Rimouski Ocenanic of the QMJHL
118 Tyler Nanne - Committed to the Ohio State University
119 Bobo Carpenter - Committed to Boston University and drafted by Halifax of the QMJHL
120 Tanner Macmaster - Committed to Quinnipiac and drafted by Spokane of the WHL
124 Mark Friedman - Committed to Bowling Green and drafted by Windsor of the OHL
131 Ryan Hitchcock - Committed to Yale and drafted by Brampton of the OHL
132 Shane Gersich - Committed to North Dakota
133 John Piccinich - Committed to Boston U and drafted by London of the OHL
138 Christopher Brown - Committed to Boston College
139 Joe Wegwerth - Committed to Notre Dame and drafted by Belleville of the OHL
142 Jared Fiegl - Committed to Cornell
146 Neal Pionk - Committed to UMD
147 Jonathan Barry - Committed to Northeastern
149 Ryan Mantha - Committed to North Dakota and drafted by Sault Ste. Marie of the OHL
156 Michael Lee - Committed to Vermont
157 Dakota Joshua - Committed to the Ohio State University and drafted by Plymouth Whalers of the OHL
158 Nicholas Jones - Committed to The Ohio State University
162 Jason Cotton - Committed to Northestern
163 Chase Phelps - Committed to Boston U
164 Dylan Chanter - Committed to UNH
167 Rhett Gardner - Committed to North Dakota and drafted by Spokane of the WHL
168 Tyler Busch - Committed to the Ohio State University and drafted by Prince George of the WHL
169 Zach Yon - Committed to North Dakota
177 Billy Sweezey - Committed to Yale
179 Evan Anderson - Committed to Michigan Tech
180 Seamus Malone - Committed to Wisconsin and drafted by Plymouth
181 Jack Ramsey - Committed to Minnesota
182 Dylan Malmquist - Committed to Notre Dame
184 Sam Lafferty - Committed to Brown
188 Tyler Vesel - Committed to UNO
189 Jeff Wight - Committed to UCONN
190 Brett Beauvais - Committed to Bemidji State and drafted by Rouyn-Noranda of the QMJHL
193 James Winkler - Committed to Northeastern and drafted by Cape Breton of the QMJHL
194 Scott Savage - Plays at Boston College
199 Evan Smith - Committed to Yale and drafted by Owen Sound of the OHL
200 Tyler Sheehy - Committed to Minnesota
203 John-Claude Brassard - Committed to Union
205 Nikolas Koberstein - Committed to Alaska-Fairbanks and drafted by Regina of the WHL
206 Hunter Warner - Committed to Minnesota State
207 Chris Wilkie - Committed to North Dakota and drafted by Victoria of the WHL
209 Marshall Donald - Committed to Northern Michigan and drafted by Calgary of the WHL

Goaltenders

1 Thatcher Demko - Plays at Boston College
7 Edwin Minney - Committed to Michigan State and drafted by Niagara of the OHL
8 Chase Perry - Commiteed to Colorado College
9 Kasimer Kaskisuo - Committed to UMD
11 Blake Weyrick - Committed to Brown and drafted by Red Deer of the WHL
16 Logan Halladay - Committed to Minnesota
19 Jeff Smith - Committed to UMASS-Lowell
20 Zachary Nagelvoort - Playing at Michigan
26 Hayden Lavigne - Committed to Michigan and drafted by Belleville of the OHL

 

[5hole]

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FYI ...
The Gwinnett Gladiators, ECHL affiliate of the Phoenix Coyotes, announced on Monday that defensemen Jonathan Narbonne and Daniel Spivak have been loaned out, and Nolan Descoteaux will return to the team.

Spivak, 25, has been one of the defensive leaders on the team, not only playing in all but five of Gwinnett’s games this season, but also leading the team with a +15 rating. The Thornhill, Ontario native has turned that number into a source of pride, registering a negative plus/minus in only 15 of his 65 games this year, and never going below a -1 in any games. This will be the tenth time in ten summers that Spivak will be playing for Team Israel in the IIHF World Championship.

Descoteaux, 24, comes back to Gwinnett after being released on April 4th. The R.I.T. grad played in nine games for the Gladiators, notching an assist in his professional debut on March 14th against the South Carolina Stingrays.

 

[komey1]

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Where's that Frozen Four, new arena wave of good recruits we were promised?!

I thought the recruits have been pretty good on the forwards. The defense has been suspect. Ruby was on the list, but we know how that turned out. Hamburg was drafted at one point. Sometimes players don't pan out.

As for new arena wave of good recruits - you do realize we haven't played a game there yet. It will be a better tool once RIT starts playing games there.

 

[lmg6841]

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I was mostly joking with the post. You do make some good points, Ruby was a bit of a wash and you can't count your chickens before they hatch (read, the rink). That being said, I'm not too surprised about Hamburg being underwhelming. Bouncing between NCAA teams isn't usually a good sign for strong character or game time effectiveness.

I thought the recruits have been pretty good on the forwards. The defense has been suspect. Ruby was on the list, but we know how that turned out. Hamburg was drafted at one point. Sometimes players don't pan out.

As for new arena wave of good recruits - you do realize we haven't played a game there yet. It will be a better tool once RIT starts playing games there.

 

[mar7967]

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If anyone is interested in some RIT Hockey History items, I found these on ebay...88-89 and 90-91 media guides.:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=301150138625
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=371041386596

 

[NYhockeyguy]

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Hello RIT fans! I wanted to introduce myself as I sent in my admission deposit to RIT this morning! My name is Ryan and I have been posting on USCHO for a few years now on the RPI threads. I grew up about 20 minutes away from RPI and have grown into a major college hockey fan. As my main focus over the last few years has been on ECAC hockey, it may take some time for me to fully acclimate to Atlantic Hockey, but I look forward to getting to know all of you and becoming a regular contributor over here. Go Tigers!

 

[Ronnieb]

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Not a very good job of recruiting, period. Cant use the scholly excuse either. I know for a fact that there are high end NE prep kids which expressed interest in RIT ( very good academic school for many of these student/athletes) and also 2 on central scouting that expressed interest in RIT with absolutely no response from staff. Sure, just continue to recruit from CJ and you will continue with the same results. You wonder why you can barely compete in AH.

I thought the recruits have been pretty good on the forwards. The defense has been suspect. Ruby was on the list, but we know how that turned out. Hamburg was drafted at one point. Sometimes players don't pan out.

As for new arena wave of good recruits - you do realize we haven't played a game there yet. It will be a better tool once RIT starts playing games there.

 

[LtPowers]

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Trolling aside...

I think tonight has proven that the scholarship excuse won't fly anymore. No one can claim we have to move the entire athletic department to D-I to reach the pinnacle of the sport.


Powers &8^]

 

[lmg6841]

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Scholarships or stronger league. One or the other. Please.

 

[MattS]

Scholarships or stronger league. One or the other. Please.

I agree. One or the other of the must happen for RIT to hope to compete, let alone win, a championship. And Union proves the building doesn't matter that much either. It's all about a well coached team playing as a team and getting good solid recruits. Unfortunately RIT is lacking in these.

 

[LtPowers]

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We can't just make a new league appear out of thin air. Our current league is getting stronger. The point is, scholarships aren't necessary.


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[komey1]

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I agree. One or the other of the must happen for RIT to hope to compete, let alone win, a championship. And Union proves the building doesn't matter that much either. It's all about a well coached team playing as a team and getting good solid recruits. Unfortunately RIT is lacking in these.

It took years to for Union to get where they are now. Also, note that Union received a high seed. That is due in part to the ECAC conference as a whole doing fairly well OOC. Last year, Atlantic Hockey as a whole had a significant dropoff in OOC results from the previous year. So when they won the league, they got a #1 seed.

RIT certainly needs to get back to getting results like what they had the first few years of Atlantic Hockey. I think we can all agree about that. But for them to have a realistic chance for a National Championship, the whole league will need to post good results so that RIT - or any other Atlantic Hockey team - will be in better position to win.

 

[lmg6841]

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So a more realistic chance at us getting a National Championship would be to join any other league in existence.

It took years to for Union to get where they are now. Also, note that Union received a high seed. That is due in part to the ECAC conference as a whole doing fairly well OOC. Last year, Atlantic Hockey as a whole had a significant dropoff in OOC results from the previous year. So when they won the league, they got a #1 seed.

RIT certainly needs to get back to getting results like what they had the first few years of Atlantic Hockey. I think we can all agree about that. But for them to have a realistic chance for a National Championship, the whole league will need to post good results so that RIT - or any other Atlantic Hockey team - will be in better position to win.

 

[THEMICK]

So a more realistic chance at us getting a National Championship would be to join any other league in existence.

There are 59 schools playing D-1 college hockey. Forty eight of them play in conferences that allow 18 scholarships, play in decent rinks, and hold their coaches responsible for their results. Our conference does not...and to improve we need to beat those other 48 teams on a consistent basis. It is just not going to happen. RIT needs to join the other four WNY/Pa schools and examine all the options.

 

[LtPowers]

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There are 59 schools playing D-1 college hockey. Forty eight of them play in conferences that allow 18 scholarships, play in decent rinks, and hold their coaches responsible for their results. Our conference does not...and to improve we need to beat those other 48 teams on a consistent basis. It is just not going to happen. RIT needs to join the other four WNY/Pa schools and examine all the options.

You don't give any explanation for your assertion that RIT cannot beat the other 48 teams on a consistent basis.


Powers &8^]

 

[THEMICK]

You don't give any explanation for your assertion that RIT cannot beat the other 48 teams on a consistent basis.


Powers &8^]

I guess I missed RIT's and other AHA teams consistent appearance in the NCAA's. Anyone who doesn't place value in a ECAC, WCHC, NCHC, etc logo on a jersey is missing the point. RIT and the others will never be able to recruit quality talent to consistently beat those in the 48 without playing by the same rules or conditions. I would love to know what percentage of the Union team had their tuition paid for by mommy and daddy and of those that did, how many chose Union because of their ECAC affiliation. As long as the AHA plays with one hand tied behind it's back, catering to uncommitted members of the conference, none of use will consistently beat the 48. Exactly, what are you afraid of.

 

[lmg6841]

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Honestly? We don't. We never have. Things aren't exactly changing much for RIT or the AHA, so why expect a change in results?

You don't give any explanation for your assertion that RIT cannot beat the other 48 teams on a consistent basis.


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[RIT Winters]

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I guess I missed RIT's and other AHA teams consistent appearance in the NCAA's. Anyone who doesn't place value in a ECAC, WCHC, NCHC, etc logo on a jersey is missing the point. RIT and the others will never be able to recruit quality talent to consistently beat those in the 48 without playing by the same rules or conditions. I would love to know what percentage of the Union team had their tuition paid for by mommy and daddy and of those that did, how many chose Union because of their ECAC affiliation. As long as the AHA plays with one hand tied behind it's back, catering to uncommitted members of the conference, none of use will consistently beat the 48. Exactly, what are you afraid of.

Yep. RIT has long said that the quality of the education is why athletes would choose to come here over another place, and the great fans. Well, though we may have the best fans in the AHA, they are a fickle bunch (as seen by the recent attendance figures) and still relatively small in number compared to the big schools. As for educational quality...if you're a high caliber recruit who has a legitimate shot of going pro and/or has already been drafted...do you really care? You want to go where you get the most exposure and the best possibility to take your career to the next level.

Heck, look at all the guys who got pro deals on the Frozen Four team. Given his otherwise pedestrian career numbers do you think DeMike ever makes an AHL start if he didn't carry the Tigers to Detroit? No. No one would even know him.

There's going to be pro teams lining up to talk to some of those Union guys that, until they won that Championship, were not necessarily particularly notable. And the end of the day though, RIT can't just pick up and leave...we need somewhere to go, and nobody here has any say in that. I guess it just feels good to complain.

 

[MattS]

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Yep. RIT has long said that the quality of the education is why athletes would choose to come here over another place, and the great fans. Well, though we may have the best fans in the AHA, they are a fickle bunch (as seen by the recent attendance figures) and still relatively small in number compared to the big schools. As for educational quality...if you're a high caliber recruit who has a legitimate shot of going pro and/or has already been drafted...do you really care? You want to go where you get the most exposure and the best possibility to take your career to the next level.

I think all that one needs to do is take a look at the rosters of other colleges that are considered to be academically superior to see that your assertion that players of higher hockey talent will not come to a place like RIT with it's academic requirements is false. Is RIT going to get 1st or 2nd round draft picks? No, but could later round picks be successfully recruited? Yes, I think they could and should be by now and certainly should be in the near future if one is to believe the building argument. One by one the excuses that people here are using for the lack of recruiting are being eliminated with the exception of the quality of the AHA, which is outside of RIT's control.

 

[lmg6841]

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Is RIT going to get 1st or 2nd round draft picks? No, but could later round picks be successfully recruited? Yes, I think they could and should be by now and certainly should be in the near future if one is to believe the building argument.

What does RIT offer to these picks that Canisius, Niagara, or even Mercyhurts doesn't? A few more fans. Okay, but if the team isn't showing up neither are the fans. Clearly they've been capitalizing on RIT's FF run the last few years, more so than RIT itself.

with the exception of the quality of the AHA, which is outside of RIT's control.

This is why some fans believe RIT needs to jump ship from this cost containment league. Even being a bottom barrel ECAC team, or a Western Conference expansion, would put RIT in a better position to grow than staying in the AHA.