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I really think I've made that clear in my posts...
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>>> RIT Tigers 2016-17: That was fun; let's go for three!
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Short of taking the entire athletic program to Division I, I am not sure what else the administration can do. Both publically and privately, the hockey staff have repeatedly told me that they are very happy with the support provided by the RIT administration (athletic and otherwise).
At this level, improvements year to year are incremental, not dramatic, in nature. Sometimes circumstances work for your team, some seasons they work against your team. This is one of those latter years, unfortunately.
I'd like to see an administration step up and help them really take this program to the next level...
Short of taking the entire athletic program to Division I, I am not sure what else the administration can do. Both publically and privately, the hockey staff have repeatedly told me that they are very happy with the support provided by the RIT administration (athletic and otherwise).
At this level, improvements year to year are incremental, not dramatic, in nature. Sometimes circumstances work for your team, some seasons they work against your team. This is one of those latter years, unfortunately.
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If RIT can't move the entire athletic program to D1, and can't pull some NCAA strings to get a deal where they can offer athletic scholarships to their D1 student athletes like a small number of other school programs have arranged with the NCAA then I'd like RIT to measure themselves up against other programs that are in their same shoes, similar type colleges with non scholarship D1 hockey programs (non-Ivies). The only one I can think of is Union College. With a student body of about 2000 students they have put together an impressive string of strong recruiting years that have consistently put them at or near the top of the ECAC and delivered them an NCAA Championship.
Assuming Union recruits from the same pool of players that RIT does (is that true?), what makes the USHL or BCHL player decide Union over RIT? Is there a blueprint for recruiting success that Union has that RIT does not have? If that is the case can the RIT administration at least take the Union administration out for drinks during the off season and figure out what the trick is? Maybe hire some talent away from the Union's recruiting team. Does Coach Wilson know Coach Bennett? While I am being a little tongue in cheek here, if RIT recruiting staff has to consistently bust their butts looking for diamonds in the rough that other schools have passed over, has to take the extra look at the kid coming off an injury that others have passed on, or has to be first to watch warm ups to see how a forward shoots or how a defenseman skates and sticks around to catch the kids late to have some final words with them, I mean geez, what else is there to do? Listening to Brian, I feel for the guy very little wiggle room to make a mistake,
So maybe the administration can explore ways in which to strengthen the recruiting program, I don't know the rules so maybe I'm talking out of my ***, but as other schools in Atlantic Hockey add scholarships I think the playing field will no longer be level, so if D1 athletic scholarships are not in the near future for RIT, then maybe the administration can push for RIT to move to the ECAC where the league itself may help in drawing a higher ranked recruit who would rather have the exposure of playing against ECAC teams rather than AHC teams.
I really think I've made that clear in my posts...
If RIT can't move the entire athletic program to D1, and can't pull some NCAA strings to get a deal where they can offer athletic scholarships to their D1 student athletes like a small number of other school programs have arranged with the NCAA then I'd like RIT to measure themselves up against other programs that are in their same shoes, similar type colleges with non scholarship D1 hockey programs (non-Ivies). The only one I can think of is Union College. With a student body of about 2000 students they have put together an impressive string of strong recruiting years that have consistently put them at or near the top of the ECAC and delivered them an NCAA Championship.
Assuming Union recruits from the same pool of players that RIT does (is that true?), what makes the USHL or BCHL player decide Union over RIT? Is there a blueprint for recruiting success that Union has that RIT does not have? If that is the case can the RIT administration at least take the Union administration out for drinks during the off season and figure out what the trick is? Maybe hire some talent away from the Union's recruiting team. Does Coach Wilson know Coach Bennett? While I am being a little tongue in cheek here, if RIT recruiting staff has to consistently bust their butts looking for diamonds in the rough that other schools have passed over, has to take the extra look at the kid coming off an injury that others have passed on, or has to be first to watch warm ups to see how a forward shoots or how a defenseman skates and sticks around to catch the kids late to have some final words with them, I mean geez, what else is there to do? Listening to Brian, I feel for the guy very little wiggle room to make a mistake,
So maybe the administration can explore ways in which to strengthen the recruiting program, I don't know the rules so maybe I'm talking out of my ***, but as other schools in Atlantic Hockey add scholarships I think the playing field will no longer be level, so if D1 athletic scholarships are not in the near future for RIT, then maybe the administration can push for RIT to move to the ECAC where the league itself may help in drawing a higher ranked recruit who would rather have the exposure of playing against ECAC teams rather than AHC teams.
Tom Naeger
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2016-17: That was fun; let's go for three!
And they certainly should be happy with the support, I have had similar conversation (probably less than you) and agree with you. Don't want to dump on the administration as I mention before they've been good to a point and much better then lets say some previous administrators from way back in the day. But to me there are handcuffs on the coaches in terms of the players they can bring in and they have done a remarkable job and really have found some remarkable young men. I am under no illusions on the enormous task of taking the entire program DI or even a possible conference change would be. But it is something that in my opinion is going to take an aggressive and well thought out administrative approach from taking this program from one of the best team in the lowest conference of D-I to something that resembles more than "a long shot" of winning a national title.
I am not looking at just this season which could certainly end up being a throw away. It could be really interesting next year honestly could see the team finishing anywhere from 1st to 9th next year. But if you look at regular season records of both the men and the women over the last couple of seasons there is a potential disturbing trend in there. So as the Zen master said, "We shall See..."
Short of taking the entire athletic program to Division I, I am not sure what else the administration can do. Both publically and privately, the hockey staff have repeatedly told me that they are very happy with the support provided by the RIT administration (athletic and otherwise).
At this level, improvements year to year are incremental, not dramatic, in nature. Sometimes circumstances work for your team, some seasons they work against your team. This is one of those latter years, unfortunately.
And they certainly should be happy with the support, I have had similar conversation (probably less than you) and agree with you. Don't want to dump on the administration as I mention before they've been good to a point and much better then lets say some previous administrators from way back in the day. But to me there are handcuffs on the coaches in terms of the players they can bring in and they have done a remarkable job and really have found some remarkable young men. I am under no illusions on the enormous task of taking the entire program DI or even a possible conference change would be. But it is something that in my opinion is going to take an aggressive and well thought out administrative approach from taking this program from one of the best team in the lowest conference of D-I to something that resembles more than "a long shot" of winning a national title.
I am not looking at just this season which could certainly end up being a throw away. It could be really interesting next year honestly could see the team finishing anywhere from 1st to 9th next year. But if you look at regular season records of both the men and the women over the last couple of seasons there is a potential disturbing trend in there. So as the Zen master said, "We shall See..."
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Downstate_RIT_Fan
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And they certainly should be happy with the support, I have had similar conversation (probably less than you) and agree with you. Don't want to dump on the administration as I mention before they've been good to a point and much better then lets say some previous administrators from way back in the day. But to me there are handcuffs on the coaches in terms of the players they can bring in and they have done a remarkable job and really have found some remarkable young men. I am under no illusions on the enormous task of taking the entire program DI or even a possible conference change would be. But it is something that in my opinion is going to take an aggressive and well thought out administrative approach from taking this program from one of the best team in the lowest conference of D-I to something that resembles more than "a long shot" of winning a national title.
I am not looking at just this season which could certainly end up being a throw away. It could be really interesting next year honestly could see the team finishing anywhere from 1st to 9th next year. But if you look at regular season records of both the men and the women over the last couple of seasons there is a potential disturbing trend in there. So as the Zen master said, "We shall See..."
I think many of us share your sentiment Tom. Yes we shall see.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2016-17: That was fun; let's go for three!
I find this conversation interesting and also somewhat amusing.
It's interesting in the fact that Atlantic Hockey has made drastic improvements in the time RIT joined. Several teams stepped up their game. So much so that the teams in a "cost containment" conference voted to increase scholarships first from 12 to 14 and now I believe all 18. Whether or not all the teams will use that is another question due to funding. Now the Tigers have a nice brand new arena. Next thing you know, other schools improve their facilities. This kind of thing is what will get better players to the conference. Based on the current recruits, I believe that RIT will be poised for a bounce back year next year if they get good goaltending. Short will probably be the leading candidate to start, but we can see how much the coaching staff has faith in him with his lack of playing time this year.
I also find this amusing in that as fans, many of us want to get into a league where it's possible to get multiple bids to NCAA. Who is to say that Atlantic Hockey cannot be that way? Air Force is very much on the bubble to be able to get an at large if needed or a decent seed should they win the tournament. IF Canisius wins out to get the autobid - they will be a tough team with their goaltending. There is no reason why anyone at the top of Atlantic Hockey can't make a run in the tournament anymore.
This season has been a disappointment - but I'll take a season like this after making NCAAs the prior two years and even winning a game. I expect RIT to be a tough team next year. Injuries and inconsistancy have hurt RIT this year. Hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the tournament and win it to steal a bid.
I find this conversation interesting and also somewhat amusing.
It's interesting in the fact that Atlantic Hockey has made drastic improvements in the time RIT joined. Several teams stepped up their game. So much so that the teams in a "cost containment" conference voted to increase scholarships first from 12 to 14 and now I believe all 18. Whether or not all the teams will use that is another question due to funding. Now the Tigers have a nice brand new arena. Next thing you know, other schools improve their facilities. This kind of thing is what will get better players to the conference. Based on the current recruits, I believe that RIT will be poised for a bounce back year next year if they get good goaltending. Short will probably be the leading candidate to start, but we can see how much the coaching staff has faith in him with his lack of playing time this year.
I also find this amusing in that as fans, many of us want to get into a league where it's possible to get multiple bids to NCAA. Who is to say that Atlantic Hockey cannot be that way? Air Force is very much on the bubble to be able to get an at large if needed or a decent seed should they win the tournament. IF Canisius wins out to get the autobid - they will be a tough team with their goaltending. There is no reason why anyone at the top of Atlantic Hockey can't make a run in the tournament anymore.
This season has been a disappointment - but I'll take a season like this after making NCAAs the prior two years and even winning a game. I expect RIT to be a tough team next year. Injuries and inconsistancy have hurt RIT this year. Hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the tournament and win it to steal a bid.
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Well RIT will be hosting in the first round. It's 5-0 AF over Sacred Heart with about a minute to play in Colorado.
Well RIT will be hosting in the first round. It's 5-0 AF over Sacred Heart with about a minute to play in Colorado.
Tom Naeger
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I also don't think we will see two AHA teams in the Tournament. One I think Air Force will be too much for even Williams at Canisius. But if they lose I don't they will be in that 9 to 10 safe zone. They only get in if there are no other upsets in that case.
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Thought with what they had coming this year that they would win the league. So right now it really a roll of the dice for next year. I actually see Short on the outside looking in for any time next year. His playing time has be reduced and he has not had good results this season. Both these two incoming Freshman have the resume.I find this conversation interesting and also somewhat amusing.
It's interesting in the fact that Atlantic Hockey has made drastic improvements in the time RIT joined. Several teams stepped up their game. So much so that the teams in a "cost containment" conference voted to increase scholarships first from 12 to 14 and now I believe all 18. Whether or not all the teams will use that is another question due to funding. Now the Tigers have a nice brand new arena. Next thing you know, other schools improve their facilities. This kind of thing is what will get better players to the conference. Based on the current recruits, I believe that RIT will be poised for a bounce back year next year if they get good goaltending. Short will probably be the leading candidate to start, but we can see how much the coaching staff has faith in him with his lack of playing time this year.
I also find this amusing in that as fans, many of us want to get into a league where it's possible to get multiple bids to NCAA. Who is to say that Atlantic Hockey cannot be that way? Air Force is very much on the bubble to be able to get an at large if needed or a decent seed should they win the tournament. IF Canisius wins out to get the autobid - they will be a tough team with their goaltending. There is no reason why anyone at the top of Atlantic Hockey can't make a run in the tournament anymore.
This season has been a disappointment - but I'll take a season like this after making NCAAs the prior two years and even winning a game. I expect RIT to be a tough team next year. Injuries and inconsistancy have hurt RIT this year. Hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the tournament and win it to steal a bid.
I also don't think we will see two AHA teams in the Tournament. One I think Air Force will be too much for even Williams at Canisius. But if they lose I don't they will be in that 9 to 10 safe zone. They only get in if there are no other upsets in that case.
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Nobody expected RIT to have these results this year. However, they did not play well enough in the second half of the season to deserve a better fate than what they have. That is why they will be expected to contend again next year. But if I have to have a disappointing year after 2 NCAA tournament appearances, I'll take it.
My point about Air Force and possible multi-bids is that many people here want to be in a conference that gets multiple bids. I think Atlantic Hockey is getting closer to being that kind of conference with Air Force possibly working their way into that.
Thought with what they had coming this year that they would win the league. So right now it really a roll of the dice for next year. I actually see Short on the outside looking in for any time next year. His playing time has be reduced and he has not had good results this season. Both these two incoming Freshman have the resume.
I also don't think we will see two AHA teams in the Tournament. One I think Air Force will be too much for even Williams at Canisius. But if they lose I don't they will be in that 9 to 10 safe zone. They only get in if there are no other upsets in that case.
Nobody expected RIT to have these results this year. However, they did not play well enough in the second half of the season to deserve a better fate than what they have. That is why they will be expected to contend again next year. But if I have to have a disappointing year after 2 NCAA tournament appearances, I'll take it.
My point about Air Force and possible multi-bids is that many people here want to be in a conference that gets multiple bids. I think Atlantic Hockey is getting closer to being that kind of conference with Air Force possibly working their way into that.
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My reasons for wanting RIT in the ECAC have nothing to do with NCAA bids in fact no one doubts that it would be more difficult to see an NCAA bid for this caliber RIT team competing in the ECAC.
I want to see the RIT program grow and while the AHC is trying to improve their league by adding scholarships I'm not sure how that helps RIT. When RIT painted Destlers hair orange and sold out GPC was it against an eastern AHC team? Nope. I'd rather have RIT take its lumps and improve in the ECAC playing against the likes of a Jimmy Vesey or Shaynre Gostisbehere than playing a .500 season and trying to win the AHC tournament year after year. I'd like to see ECAC schools in the GPC and I think many of ECAC schools would like to see RIT playing in their barns. RPI put 4200 + at their rink when RIT visited only to be surpassed by their Q-PAC senior Night game this season. RIT drew the second biggest crowd for RPI this season.
That's my opinion. I'm sure others have different opinions, but like Tom wrote, we'll see.
I want to see the RIT program grow and while the AHC is trying to improve their league by adding scholarships I'm not sure how that helps RIT. When RIT painted Destlers hair orange and sold out GPC was it against an eastern AHC team? Nope. I'd rather have RIT take its lumps and improve in the ECAC playing against the likes of a Jimmy Vesey or Shaynre Gostisbehere than playing a .500 season and trying to win the AHC tournament year after year. I'd like to see ECAC schools in the GPC and I think many of ECAC schools would like to see RIT playing in their barns. RPI put 4200 + at their rink when RIT visited only to be surpassed by their Q-PAC senior Night game this season. RIT drew the second biggest crowd for RPI this season.
That's my opinion. I'm sure others have different opinions, but like Tom wrote, we'll see.
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What a win tonight! Hopefully the team will carry some of this momentum forward. RIT clinches the 6th seed and will play Niagara in the first round.
In other news, Brody Valette will be out for the season with mono which will leave the team with five defensemen.
What a win tonight! Hopefully the team will carry some of this momentum forward. RIT clinches the 6th seed and will play Niagara in the first round.
In other news, Brody Valette will be out for the season with mono which will leave the team with five defensemen.
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Wow, that's a pretty incredible fact about RPI. It's definitely not hard to imagine the benefits to RIT attendance if we were playing Cornell, RPI, and Yale instead of Niagara, Sacred Heart, and American International.
As much as AHC has improved over the last 5 years, it's still the doormat of NCAA D1 hockey and, barring essentially miraculous circumstances, it's only sending one team to the dance on any given year. There's still 0 reason why any kid would take a scholarship at an AHC school over one in any other league.
My reasons for wanting RIT in the ECAC have nothing to do with NCAA bids in fact no one doubts that it would be more difficult to see an NCAA bid for this caliber RIT team competing in the ECAC.
I want to see the RIT program grow and while the AHC is trying to improve their league by adding scholarships I'm not sure how that helps RIT. When RIT painted Destlers hair orange and sold out GPC was it against an eastern AHC team? Nope. I'd rather have RIT take its lumps and improve in the ECAC playing against the likes of a Jimmy Vesey or Shaynre Gostisbehere than playing a .500 season and trying to win the AHC tournament year after year. I'd like to see ECAC schools in the GPC and I think many of ECAC schools would like to see RIT playing in their barns. RPI put 4200 + at their rink when RIT visited only to be surpassed by their Q-PAC senior Night game this season. RIT drew the second biggest crowd for RPI this season.
That's my opinion. I'm sure others have different opinions, but like Tom wrote, we'll see.
Wow, that's a pretty incredible fact about RPI. It's definitely not hard to imagine the benefits to RIT attendance if we were playing Cornell, RPI, and Yale instead of Niagara, Sacred Heart, and American International.
As much as AHC has improved over the last 5 years, it's still the doormat of NCAA D1 hockey and, barring essentially miraculous circumstances, it's only sending one team to the dance on any given year. There's still 0 reason why any kid would take a scholarship at an AHC school over one in any other league.
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Well the first round series are set. Niagara at RIT, Sacred Heart at Bentley, and AIC at Mercyhurst. Funny last week we were worried about Sacred Heart sweeping Air Force and after losing to the Lakers RIT would be visiting Sacred Heart. Well that didn't happen. As crazy as this last weekend was you almost got to feel bad for Air Force giving up a late goal and then losing in OT. I actually had that game a tie in our pool I just didn't expect SHU to bury one in OT, just like I didn't expect Army to lose to AIC in OT. I think we will have some upsets in the playoffs. Congrats to Canisius on being the regular season champions.
Well the first round series are set. Niagara at RIT, Sacred Heart at Bentley, and AIC at Mercyhurst. Funny last week we were worried about Sacred Heart sweeping Air Force and after losing to the Lakers RIT would be visiting Sacred Heart. Well that didn't happen. As crazy as this last weekend was you almost got to feel bad for Air Force giving up a late goal and then losing in OT. I actually had that game a tie in our pool I just didn't expect SHU to bury one in OT, just like I didn't expect Army to lose to AIC in OT. I think we will have some upsets in the playoffs. Congrats to Canisius on being the regular season champions.
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Hard to imagine us losing a 3 game series to a team who only has 3 total wins this season..will be nice to see some wins at the GPC again before next season.
Well the first round series are set. Niagara at RIT, Sacred Heart at Bentley, and AIC at Mercyhurst. Funny last week we were worried about Sacred Heart sweeping Air Force and after losing to the Lakers RIT would be visiting Sacred Heart. Well that didn't happen. As crazy as this last weekend was you almost got to feel bad for Air Force giving up a late goal and then loosing in OT. I actually had that game a tie in our pool I just didn't expect SHU to bury one in OT, just like I didn't expect Army to lose to AIC in OT. I think we will have some upsets in the playoffs. Congrats to Canisius on being the regular season champions.
Hard to imagine us losing a 3 game series to a team who only has 3 total wins this season..will be nice to see some wins at the GPC again before next season.
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Wouldn't shock me in the least if RIT is in semi's with barring no second round upsets. Niagara should be a win in the first round and RIT has already swept Army although it was way back in November.
Wouldn't shock me in the least if RIT is in semi's with barring no second round upsets. Niagara should be a win in the first round and RIT has already swept Army although it was way back in November.
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Unbelievable, one night it goes from looking like having to win two 3 games series, first against Sacred Heart and then either Canisius or Air Force to hosting Niagara and then going to West Point to take on Army. The path back to Blue Cross is certain. Theses Tigers have a new life....
Unbelievable, one night it goes from looking like having to win two 3 games series, first against Sacred Heart and then either Canisius or Air Force to hosting Niagara and then going to West Point to take on Army. The path back to Blue Cross is certain. Theses Tigers have a new life....
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My reasons for wanting RIT in the ECAC have nothing to do with NCAA bids in fact no one doubts that it would be more difficult to see an NCAA bid for this caliber RIT team competing in the ECAC.
I want to see the RIT program grow and while the AHC is trying to improve their league by adding scholarships I'm not sure how that helps RIT. When RIT painted Destlers hair orange and sold out GPC was it against an eastern AHC team? Nope. I'd rather have RIT take its lumps and improve in the ECAC playing against the likes of a Jimmy Vesey or Shaynre Gostisbehere than playing a .500 season and trying to win the AHC tournament year after year. I'd like to see ECAC schools in the GPC and I think many of ECAC schools would like to see RIT playing in their barns. RPI put 4200 + at their rink when RIT visited only to be surpassed by their Q-PAC senior Night game this season. RIT drew the second biggest crowd for RPI this season.
That's my opinion. I'm sure others have different opinions, but like Tom wrote, we'll see.
This is almost exactly in line with my opinion. I'd much rather us peace out of the AHC, take our lumps for a few years adjusting to ECAC play, and then once the recruiting has significantly improved due to the quality of opponent, compete. Besides, none of the Ivies offer athletic scholarships either, so that would help even the playing field. Union can compete without being able to give scholarships, no reason to think we couldn't too.
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I really think the ECAC is the best fit for the Tigers, but to all those using Union as an example of being able to compete without scholarship. Look at how long it to for them to reach that level. Are we that patient?
This is almost exactly in line with my opinion. I'd much rather us peace out of the AHC, take our lumps for a few years adjusting to ECAC play, and then once the recruiting has significantly improved due to the quality of opponent, compete. Besides, none of the Ivies offer athletic scholarships either, so that would help even the playing field. Union can compete without being able to give scholarships, no reason to think we couldn't too.
I really think the ECAC is the best fit for the Tigers, but to all those using Union as an example of being able to compete without scholarship. Look at how long it to for them to reach that level. Are we that patient?
I really think the ECAC is the best fit for the Tigers, but to all those using Union as an example of being able to compete without scholarship. Look at how long it to for them to reach that level. Are we that patient?
Based on the pre-game comments, I'd say no!
Without scholarships, the hill to climb remains
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My understanding is that Union did not have great administrative support - I don't think that would be the case at RIT. However, I do think it would take several years before RIT is even competitive on a consistant basis in ECAC. It's a strong conference right now.
Would RIT get better recruits - but it would take a long time to get to the top.
My understanding is that Union did not have great administrative support - I don't think that would be the case at RIT. However, I do think it would take several years before RIT is even competitive on a consistant basis in ECAC. It's a strong conference right now.
Would RIT get better recruits - but it would take a long time to get to the top.
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