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>>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again

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I like Short. I hope he gets more games.

While upsetting, if I had to pick a way to lose a game, it'd be in OT leading with SOG. Shows that this is a good team that CAN win.
 
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Also - another dire year for ACH in OOC games, 9-35-2 so far.
 
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That's good to hear. On the WITR interview he made a comment about needing to find a guy who wasn't going to give up the late goals. I missed most of the interview so maybe I missed some kind of context but it sure sounded pretty down on both goalies.

I thought he was talking about the whole team with respect to not giving up goals late and in OT.


Powers &8^]
 
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I thought he was talking about the whole team with respect to not giving up goals late and in OT.


Powers &8^]

He probably meant the other 5 players on the ice at the time of these late, game-winning goals scored by the other teams. That's pretty much the whole team!
 
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I willed my team to win by picking against them in the AHC Pick 'Em contest. :-)

Well played there.....I'd rather the team have a winning record than improve on my standings in Pick 'Em :p
 
If a goalie keeps your opponent to two goals in regulation, he has done enough to give you a far better than even chance to win.
 
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Ed is right. Problem is not with the goalies. Need to get the right lines/combinations on the ice to get the offense to put up more than two goals a game. I think we all knew that offense was going to be the challenge this year. It is still early.
 
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If a goalie keeps your opponent to two goals in regulation, he has done enough to give you a far better than even chance to win.

Rotolo has been a little shaky and has allowed a few suspect goals. Reminds me of the start he had last year was slow and then he righted the ship about this time last year. Overall I see both goaltenders as reliable options. Going off history I see a rotation until someone emerges as the starter. Hopefully someone can find their ruby juice from last year...

I only could watch the entire second game (only highlights of the first). What frustrated me was despite generating a lot of shots I didn't feel like they generated a ton of grade A scoring chances and both goals did really come off lucky breaks. Game 2 could have been sealed by Skirving in the third. He's got a find a way to finish a feed like that. 3-1 would have been the dagger. We gotta find someone or better someones to score those timely goals. In the end they let a team that deserve to be swept, sweep them. The effort and hustle is there, but that's only going to take you so far...

Just for the record, that diving call was one of the worst diving calls I've seen in awhile, but we've been down that path before with AHA officials. I really wish the rules committee would make the rule read that a dive can not be called with another penalty. Either he hooked, held, tripped the guy OR it's a dive. Not both. The purpose of the rule is to cut back on diving and it's not working because the refs never call just a dive. So there is really little to discourage a guy to not dive because at worst you'll just ended 4 on 4.
 
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Just for the record, that diving call was one of the worst diving calls I've seen in awhile, but we've been down that path before with AHA officials. I really wish the rules committee would make the rule read that a dive can not be called with another penalty. Either he hooked, held, tripped the guy OR it's a dive. Not both. The purpose of the rule is to cut back on diving and it's not working because the refs never call just a dive. So there is really little to discourage a guy to not dive because at worst you'll just ended 4 on 4.

It wasn't diving; it was embellishment. I suspect you rarely hear diving called because players know not to do it. But embellishment is easier to accidentally do -- or to be perceived as doing.


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It wasn't diving; it was embellishment. I suspect you rarely hear diving called because players know not to do it. But embellishment is easier to accidentally do -- or to be perceived as doing.


Powers &8^]

I thought it was a questionable embellishment call at first, but when they showed the replay on the big screen, it certainly did look like the RIT player (I can't remember now if it was Golberg or Powell) added a big flop almost at the same instant that the Bentley player put his hand over the shoulder and didn't appear to have put that much pressure on yet. It is really hard to determine that for sure when it's that close, but it did look like he was trying to sell the hold to the refs.

The intent of the embellishment penalty is accomplishing its intent. It is punishing the embellisher's team by taking away what would have otherwise been a power play because there really was a penalty coming. I personally don't see the need for it. If there really is a penalty, who cares if the offended party makes an a** (or a soccer player) of himself acting like he's just been shot? How is that hurting the other team or giving any kind of advantage to his team?

On the other hand, the diving penalty makes some sense. It's the execution that frustrates me. It was supposed to punish divers for creating the illusion of a penalty that didn't really happen, but the refs from the very beginning wouldn't call it by itself, thereby defeating the purpose of the rule.
 
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It wasn't diving; it was embellishment. I suspect you rarely hear diving called because players know not to do it. But embellishment is easier to accidentally do -- or to be perceived as doing.


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It is the same penalty basically the difference is they call it embellishment when they take the other guy. Just so they have an excuse to take both guys...

Rule 68 - Diving/Embellishment

68.1 Diving/Embellishment - A player shall not attempt to draw a penalty
through any exaggerated or deceitful action. A diving penalty is a standalone
penalty.

I thought it was a questionable embellishment call at first, but when they showed the replay on the big screen, it certainly did look like the RIT player (I can't remember now if it was Golberg or Powell) added a big flop almost at the same instant that the Bentley player put his hand over the shoulder and didn't appear to have put that much pressure on yet. It is really hard to determine that for sure when it's that close, but it did look like he was trying to sell the hold to the refs.

The intent of the embellishment penalty is accomplishing its intent. It is punishing the embellisher's team by taking away what would have otherwise been a power play because there really was a penalty coming. I personally don't see the need for it. If there really is a penalty, who cares if the offended party makes an a** (or a soccer player) of himself acting like he's just been shot? How is that hurting the other team or giving any kind of advantage to his team?

On the other hand, the diving penalty makes some sense. It's the execution that frustrates me. It was supposed to punish divers for creating the illusion of a penalty that didn't really happen, but the refs from the very beginning wouldn't call it by itself, thereby defeating the purpose of the rule.

Actually I saw it the other way, live speed I thought maybe he dived, but when I saw the replay and the amount that Goldberg skates turned with the speed he was going, hitting the ice at with that force was inevitable. I'd like to see the ref stay on his feet if he was grabbed and turned like that. What really made it bad was the ref right there was just watching and shaking his head. Basically saying, I don't want to make a call now. Then the other guy from far away comes in to make the bail out call. Which earned him a butt slap from the guy who was watching saying thanks for bailing me out.

Again, either call it a dive (or if it makes you feel better embellishment) or call the hold, don't call both it's a cop out. I know that some guys do flop when a legit penalty happens. However, it's incredible rare for a player to be called for diving and not have the other guy go. So again, when you dive to try and draw a penalty there is low risk. Either you'll get the call or at worst you and the other guy will go. Diving will be in the game until they start taking just the diver. And refs have proven that 99.999% of the time they will take both guys. The rules committee needs to act...
 
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I thought it was a questionable embellishment call at first, but when they showed the replay on the big screen, it certainly did look like the RIT player (I can't remember now if it was Golberg or Powell) added a big flop almost at the same instant that the Bentley player put his hand over the shoulder and didn't appear to have put that much pressure on yet. It is really hard to determine that for sure when it's that close, but it did look like he was trying to sell the hold to the refs.

A similar "pull down" happened in the first. It got a boo from the crowd, but no response from the refs.

Both instances started with an arm around the neck/shoulders, and ended with a tiger on his back. I have to check the DVR out again, but it didn't look like they were embellishing to me. As TigerFan86-87 said it was close.

If nothing else it's a sample of the fact the Tigers (or at least some of them) were a step quicker.
 
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Maybe I'm nuts, but diving/embellishment is such a judgement call that if it negated an infraction on the other team you're going to get a lot more controversy.

Take the Golberg call: if calling Golberg for diving negated the hook (or whatever it was) and gave the Falcons a PP, we'd have been incensed, because it was pretty borderline. I'd much rather have a PP negated by a bad embellishment call than go from PP to PK.


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Maybe I'm nuts, but diving/embellishment is such a judgement call that if it negated an infraction on the other team you're going to get a lot more controversy.

Take the Golberg call: if calling Golberg for diving negated the hook (or whatever it was) and gave the Falcons a PP, we'd have been incensed, because it was pretty borderline. I'd much rather have a PP negated by a bad embellishment call than go from PP to PK.


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Yeah, going that way with it would be a travesty.
 
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... hitting the ice at with that force was inevitable. I'd like to see the ref stay on his feet if he was grabbed and turned like that.
I don't think there was too much of a question that Golberg was going to fall. It's not falling that got the embellishment as much as the (alleged) histrionics that went with the fall.
Falling won't get you a penalty, but falling as though you were just hit by a bus and or shot with an elephant gun will.
 
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I'd like to see you guys on skates, come in that fast and have someone grab and twist you and see how hard you hit the ice. Or better ask if you even get up afterwards. May not like my solution, but diving will stay a fact of the game if we stay with the status quo...
 
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I don't know, I've had some pretty good 'yard sales' while just standing on the ice. It usually ends up with me popping my shoulder out of its socket as I brace myself for the fall.
 
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I'd like to see you guys on skates, come in that fast and have someone grab and twist you and see how hard you hit the ice. Or better ask if you even get up afterwards. May not like my solution, but diving will stay a fact of the game if we stay with the status quo...

That's the thing. These guys aren't like us guys. They're elite D-I athletes. I know full well what it is like to fall and I surely have little control of myself when I do. However I am by no means whatsoever considered an athlete, let alone an elite one. You can tell when they're adding theatrics to the fall, especially in a slo-mo relplay.
 
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