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>>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

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I don't think most fans realize the toll injuries took on the team last season. Players who toughed it out all season got really trashed here by some.
 
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Ed Trefzger said:
I don't think most fans realize the toll injuries took on the team last season. Players who toughed it out all season got really trashed here by some.
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One of the things I am hoping is that having a bigger bench will allow Coach to sit players that were otherwise dinged up.
 
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Tom Naeger said:
I know I am flirting with sending this into another tailspin, but I think this shows where the disconnect was between the two sides of thinking. I think some inferred that others were of the opinion that they do not count. They do, there was never any argument that if the right numbers happen with OOC with the league it could happen. But we were looking at the overall odds of it happening. It basically was next to impossible. Komey did a great job showing how the moons have to align just perfectly for an AHA team to get an at large bid. Niagara season in conference I think was unique and would be hard to reproduce given how close the western pod is. I think RMU is the bigger indicator, they beat the right people to make it close, but still could not get in.

In the end, not much has change. It's possible but extremely unlikely for 2 AHA teams to get in. So if any experimenting needs to be done its best in OOC games. And I wouldn't lose to much sleep if RIT drops an OOC game. Winning the AHA Tournament will get you in 100% of the time. At Large bid is going to get you in maybe 2% of the time. However things are starting to change and I hope to see another AHA Team get an at large bid in the future...
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RMU is in no way, shape, or form a better indicator than Niagara. I actually think Niagara was a pretty good example. Robert Morris was a whopping two games over .500 in the conference. No one is suggesting that a team with that kind of record would be able to think at large build. What most of us, I think, are talking about is how a team that's clearly the best in the conference being able to ensure their bid against a hot goalie or hot team in single game elimination with a competent out of conference performance. Yes, Niagara's record was exceptionally good, even for a dominant team, but I feel like the 2010-11 Tigers are a pretty good example of this too. Clearly not as dominant in conference, but the clear conference winners....only they got a single tie OOC and thus had no chance. I suspect even in that year .500 (with the wins against the right teams) out of conference could have given them an at-large bid (as a side note, are any of their last 3 games different results if they knew they had a chance at an at-large bid after clinching the conference?)

EDIT: I also think going forward that the improvements other AHA teams have made (especially the Western Pod) makes it more likely going forward to grab an at-large bid than it was in the past, although obviously time will tell if the improvements the AHA have made in out of conference record are a function of statistical noise or actual improvements in the conference. I tend to lean towards the latter. I think the top half of the AHA this past season could play with anyone and that hasn't always been the case.
 
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Unfortunately assigned seating at BCA and Frontier is turning out to be a pain in the butt for season ticket holders with kids under 5. Admission at the Ritter is free for kids 5 and under and RIT doesn't give pre-printed season tickets for them. Instead, I have to go to the box office before every game and get a ticket for my son. It's a bit of a pain in the butt now that RIT is assigning seats to the BCA and Frontier games it's a bigger pain. Since they don't assign my son a season ticket I can't get him a ticket when I buy mine. So now the only way my family can sit together is if I buy the "Ritter only" season ticket package - which means I will lose the discount on the Frontier and BCA games that season ticket holders get. Plus I have to pay an extra $30 for my son's tickets to those two games. I wish they would just print out season tickets for kids under 5, it would make my life a little easier.
 
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Just ordered my tickets for the homecoming game. Fall can't come soon enough.
 
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LtPowers said:
Neither do I. It was always possible for an at-large bid given a good enough league OOC record. Every team in the league contributes to that, so that means OOC games matter. And always have.


Powers &8^]
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Absolutely correct. The people here who think the OOC game do not matter (or at least think they are unimportant in the grand scheme) I find their thought process kind of amusing. They always use the excuse that since the majority or the rest of the league has a terrible OOC record there is no sense in RIT putting the best team out there and trying to obtain a good OOC record (use as an experiment time). It's much easier to blame the rest of the league for the shortfall in the OOC record, yet what happens when a majority of teams have that same opinion as some posters? If every team experiments and "doesn't care" about the OOC games then the OOC of the league is never going to get better with regards to the OOC.

I am still of the opinion that experimentation is for exhibition games and practice. Play the best players every game. Before anyone goes off on me, I am not saying the coaches and especially the players, are out to lose a OOC game or do not care, but we all know that OOC games very often are treated like a scrimage by the coaches in some ways.
 
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If a team improves their chances at the AHA championship by experimenting in the OOC games, then it is a very valid question whether it is best for the team to go ahead and experiment or not. Until that question becomes a no-brainer, it makes no sense for a team to do something that benefits the league while not benefiting themselves. I think this whole discussion shows that the AHA is right near that "tipping point" where it makes most sense for all teams to leave the experiments at home and win as many as possible and that is because it is very close to being the best thing for the individual team. Teams aren't here to help each other make the tournament.

If Coach Wilson believes that experimenting in OOC games will maximize RIT's chance at the tournament, then that is what he should do in order to do his job as well as possible. He shouldn't lose a minute's sleep over the fact that such actions might cost Niagara or AFA an at large bid. If the goal was to help other teams, then RIT should always lose to them.
 
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MattS said:
Absolutely correct. The people here who think the OOC game do not matter (or at least think they are unimportant in the grand scheme) I find their thought process kind of amusing. They always use the excuse that since the majority or the rest of the league has a terrible OOC record there is no sense in RIT putting the best team out there and trying to obtain a good OOC record (use as an experiment time). It's much easier to blame the rest of the league for the shortfall in the OOC record, yet what happens when a majority of teams have that same opinion as some posters? If every team experiments and "doesn't care" about the OOC games then the OOC of the league is never going to get better with regards to the OOC.

I am still of the opinion that experimentation is for exhibition games and practice. Play the best players every game. Before anyone goes off on me, I am not saying the coaches and especially the players, are out to lose a OOC game or do not care, but we all know that OOC games very often are treated like a scrimage by the coaches in some ways.
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I'll maintain the OOC games are LESS important than conference games. I'll also maintain that many non-conference opponents are using AHA teams as experimentation. When RIT went out to Minnesota State, one of the radio commentators who was from the area said that these games would be referred to as "exhibitions". I would rather experiment during these OOC games than in conference games. As for leaving the experimentation for exhibition games and practice, there aren't enough exhibition games to get a good feel and some things look better in practice than they do in a game.
 
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lmg6841 said:
Why so long?

I looked through all of the seats and I think I'm the first person to buy tickets...
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From RIT's site, they aren't selling season tickets until August 12.
 
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five8five said:
You could buy the BCA tickets now and then purchase the Ritter only season ticket package on the 22nd.
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Still leaves me out in the cold (ha!) for Frontier Field tickets. Can you buy multiple BCA tickets now, already? I'd be purchasing for a yet unknown Homecoming group size..planned on buying them in bulk once the Brick City site was up and running.
 
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five8five said:
You could buy the BCA tickets now and then purchase the Ritter only season ticket package on the 22nd.
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Still confused as to how you bought tickets already - the site says single game tickets arent on sale until 8/20.
 
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I posted the link below to seat selection. Pick your seats then check out. Whether or not I was suppose to be able to do that already.. idk.

EDIT: Nvm, that link is busted. Just go to the "game selection" web page (https://www.rithockey.com/Online/default.asp). Then search for event Blue Cross. The first option will be the Michigan game and the option to buy tickets is linked.

mar7967 said:
Still confused as to how you bought tickets already - the site says single game tickets arent on sale until 8/20.
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lmg6841 said:
I posted the link below to seat selection. Pick your seats then check out. Whether or not I was suppose to be able to do that already.. idk.

EDIT: Nvm, that link is busted. Just go to the "game selection" web page (https://www.rithockey.com/Online/default.asp). Then search for event Blue Cross. The first option will be the Michigan game and the option to buy tickets is linked.
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For the lazy, will buying BCA/Homecoming tickets now be cheaper than buy the Season+BCA package through RIT?
 
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RITProf said:
If a team improves their chances at the AHA championship by experimenting in the OOC games, then it is a very valid question whether it is best for the team to go ahead and experiment or not. Until that question becomes a no-brainer, it makes no sense for a team to do something that benefits the league while not benefiting themselves. I think this whole discussion shows that the AHA is right near that "tipping point" where it makes most sense for all teams to leave the experiments at home and win as many as possible and that is because it is very close to being the best thing for the individual team. Teams aren't here to help each other make the tournament.

If Coach Wilson believes that experimenting in OOC games will maximize RIT's chance at the tournament, then that is what he should do in order to do his job as well as possible. He shouldn't lose a minute's sleep over the fact that such actions might cost Niagara or AFA an at large bid. If the goal was to help other teams, then RIT should always lose to them.
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I’m not sure if this was directed at me or not, but I will respond. I agree that Wilson should do whatever he thinks is best for RIT with no regard to the rest of the AHA. I wasn’t trying to suggest otherwise. I was simply pointing out that many people use the AHA’s lack of OOC success as a reason to experiment in those games since they do not matter and will most likely not help get RIT get into the NCAA’s, while RIT experimentation doesn’t help with the leagues overall OOC record either. The whole Catch-22 thing.

komey1 said:
I'll maintain the OOC games are LESS important than conference games. I'll also maintain that many non-conference opponents are using AHA teams as experimentation. When RIT went out to Minnesota State, one of the radio commentators who was from the area said that these games would be referred to as "exhibitions". I would rather experiment during these OOC games than in conference games. As for leaving the experimentation for exhibition games and practice, there aren't enough exhibition games to get a good feel and some things look better in practice than they do in a game.
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A majority of teams can afford to as, for the most part, the AHA have easier teams to play against. Simply put they can afford to experiment more against the AHA and still for the most part get a win. A good coach leaves experimenting for practice and the exhibition game(s) as I think a vast majority of what is going to work or not work can be figured out then. If a coach can’t figure out what works within those confines then well, I don’t think they are a good coach in that aspect of their profession. (Cue Ed defending Wilson ….. ;) )

I simply have different philosophy about OOC games than what a lot of people here do, and based upon what I perceive, from Wilson does.
 
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