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>>>>> RIT Tigers 2011-2012 <<<<< Dreaming is Done, Time to ROAR

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Someone on reddit of all places said that Watson tweaked his shoulder after Thursday's loss and now Ruby is pretty much forced into being our main man. Has anyone else heard this, or is it just heresay?

Also - I agree the Merrimack game was worse. Although the score was not as bad, and we scored 3, it felt like a whole lot more domination. We also only had 15 shots in that game, whereas our shot total against Union was fairly average. It wasn't a good game and we can certainly play better, but those of you acting like the sky is falling are definitely premature.
 
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MattS said:
That was the worst display I have seen by a RIT team since I don't know when. Maybe ever.
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Did you see the game on Thursday?
 
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komey1 said:
If you are going to argue that Holy Cross is better than BU, then you are crazy. Read Jack Parker's comments about the game. They sound very familiar to the comments we are making here.

Slow starts definately suck and nobody wants them. But let's look at who they played. Niagara was a toss-up game and somone who RIT has never beat in DI. St. Lawrence was a toss up game. Canisius was the should win game. Union was a game that RIT was not expected to beat. When you look at that, the record of 1-2-1 should not be unexpected. The results of who they beat yes - but not the record.

The Tigers traditionally have played some of their toughest games early in the season. This year is not an exception. That will contribute to the slow start. Injuries are playing a part. RIT lost 3 double digit scorers and their top offensive defensemen has not played since the first period of the Niagara game.

Starting with Mercyhurst, RIT has games against teams closer to their level. Mercyhurst is scuffling right now, like RIT. Follow that up with an Army team that is struggling to score as well. These are games that RIT will need to step up their play. Win these, and I think RIT will be on the right track.
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Where did I say that? :rolleyes:

Sorry, this game was worse than the Merrimack game. The Tigers certainly were obviously outplayed in that game, but were in it for most of the night. Union went up 4-0, and just coasted. The point of bringing up the other out of conference games is that other teams managed to be competitive in their out of conference games. It boggles my mind how some of you are passing over the loss to Canisius - and the pathetic response coming out of the gate against Union. They almost had as many goals as we had shots in the first period. The shots only started to balance out after the game was already decided.
 
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jflory81 said:
Where did I say that? :rolleyes:

Sorry, this game was worse than the Merrimack game. The Tigers certainly were obviously outplayed in that game, but were in it for most of the night. Union went up 4-0, and just coasted. The point of bringing up the other out of conference games is that other team's managed to be competitive in their out of conference games. It boggles my mind how some of you are passing over the loss to Canisius - and the pathetic response coming out of the gate against Union. They almost had as many goals as we had shots in the first period. The shots only started to balance out after the game was already decided.
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while still not the performance you want to see from our team, the canisius loss wasn't that bad. to be honest, we had a meh second period but looked pretty good outside of that. we were away, we outplayed them, we outshot them, and had a potential go ahead goal overturned on a very close (and correct) call. also, their go ahead goal was a beautiful play on an odd man rush against the run of play. that loss was totally different from the union loss.
 
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jflory81 said:
Where did I say that? :rolleyes:

Sorry, this game was worse than the Merrimack game. The Tigers certainly were obviously outplayed in that game, but were in it for most of the night. Union went up 4-0, and just coasted. The point of bringing up the other out of conference games is that other teams managed to be competitive in their out of conference games. It boggles my mind how some of you are passing over the loss to Canisius - and the pathetic response coming out of the gate against Union. They almost had as many goals as we had shots in the first period. The shots only started to balance out after the game was already decided.
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RIT was in it for a period. and only because of the 3 shots on goal they got that period, 2 managed to get in. It would seem to me that RIT got lucky to get those 2 goals.

The reality is that every team is going to have clunker games. RIT lost 6-2 to AIC last year.

You brought up the non-conference to managed to be competitive in their games. RIT was the first AHA team to WIN a OOC game. 1-1 in OOC is good. Yes the Canisius game sucked, but what is done is done and it is unfortunate that they ran into a superior team that also had a clunker they needed to get out of their system. Nobody here on the message board is going to be able to do anything about those performances. It's time to look forward to the games against another team that is scuffling in Mercyhurst. Hopefully, the Madolora thing is straightened out by then, and Cino can get back. I think him coming back boosts the offense considerably.
 
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Here's what I want to know, though.

Union is, at least theoretically, in the exact same situation as we are. D-III school, no athletic scholarships. We're now several recruiting classes removed from the D-III days, so that's no longer an excuse. How, then, is it possible that Union is that much better than we are? Even at our peak during our best season, we weren't that good.

Possibly related: Why does RIT always get out to a slow start? Yes, I know "slow start is no reason to panic" -- but that doesn't mean it's not getting old. Air Force doesn't get off to slow starts. Niagara doesn't get off to slow starts. Union obviously doesn't get out to slow starts. If it was just "well it's early", shouldn't every team be having those problems? Why is it just RIT, and why is it every dang year?

Peaking at the end of the season is all well and good, but early wins are important too, especially if we want to get a sniff at an at-large bid.


Powers &8^]
 
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LtPowers said:
Here's what I want to know, though.

Union is, at least theoretically, in the exact same situation as we are. D-III school, no athletic scholarships. We're now several recruiting classes removed from the D-III days, so that's no longer an excuse. How, then, is it possible that Union is that much better than we are? Even at our peak during our best season, we weren't that good.

Possibly related: Why does RIT always get out to a slow start? Yes, I know "slow start is no reason to panic" -- but that doesn't mean it's not getting old. Air Force doesn't get off to slow starts. Niagara doesn't get off to slow starts. Union obviously doesn't get out to slow starts. If it was just "well it's early", shouldn't every team be having those problems? Why is it just RIT, and why is it every dang year?

Peaking at the end of the season is all well and good, but early wins are important too, especially if we want to get a sniff at an at-large bid.
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Union can still offer athletic scholarships right? They have been D1 for longer than RIT, and the ECAC will attract higher quality recruits due to the quality and reputation of the programs in the league. I would contend that Union was off to a slow start as well. They had 3 straight ties with one the night before against Niagara.

My theory on Air Force has everything to do with the type of personalities you are going to get at a service academy. Couple that with the altitude they train at and it kind of comes together in a team that not only is being indoctrinated to never quit they have the legs and lungs to match. Their coach is pretty good by all accounts as well :)
 
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LtPowers said:
How, then, is it possible that Union is that much better than we are? Even at our peak during our best season, we weren't that good.
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Better recruiting. Better coaching. Better conference. Take your pick or make it a combo of them. Those are the main reasons. Personally I think it is mostly better recruiting and conference.

LtPowers said:
Possibly related: Why does RIT always get out to a slow start?
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Tough opponents and being poorly prepared.
 
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LtPowers said:
Here's what I want to know, though.

Union is, at least theoretically, in the exact same situation as we are. D-III school, no athletic scholarships. We're now several recruiting classes removed from the D-III days, so that's no longer an excuse. How, then, is it possible that Union is that much better than we are? Even at our peak during our best season, we weren't that good.
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Union has been DI for over 20 years. It was only 2 years ago that they finally won an ECAC post season series, and last year was the first that they made the NCAA tournament. It has taken them forever to get their program to this level. In the Tigers time in DI, they've made incredible progress toward respectability and recognition. They have yet to accomplish what the Tigers have just in 6 seasons. It still comes down to the fact they've been around a lot longer and are a better known name in recruits minds. That plus the fact that they play in what is recognized as a better league. I've got more to say but that will have to wait til later.

Also, when they moved to DI they elected to not give scholarships therefore can't give them now. Only those schools offering scholarships at the time of the NCAA ruling are grandfathered in.

As far as Saturdays game goes, RIT looked awful that first period, but much better in the 2nd and 3rd. One thing that hasn't changed since the Dutchmens DIII days is that whenever there's a stick any anywhere near them they still dive like nobodys business.:D
 
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LtPowers said:
Air Force doesn't get off to slow starts. Niagara doesn't get off to slow starts.
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Air Force started last season 1-5 including a loss to AIC.

Niagara started 1-3-2 last season.
 
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dutchbrowncoat said:
while still not the performance you want to see from our team, the canisius loss wasn't that bad. to be honest, we had a meh second period but looked pretty good outside of that. we were away, we outplayed them, we outshot them, and had a potential go ahead goal overturned on a very close (and correct) call. also, their go ahead goal was a beautiful play on an odd man rush against the run of play. that loss was totally different from the union loss.
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The lack of urgency of the forward corps on both nights is what disturbs me. Watching Mitchell coast back into his own zone while Haltigin couldn't squeeze out the eventual goal scorer near the blue line on the early Union goal was depressing and set the tone for the first period. I don't like the mix of guys they have on offense right now. One of the freshmen is going to have to step up in a big way (and not in the way Lynch came out of nowhere last year to be the foil to Brenner and Favot on the top line) or I don't think this is going to be a very good offensive year for us.
 
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Ed Trefzger said:
Air Force started last season 1-5 including a loss to AIC.
Niagara started 1-3-2 last season.
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Standings as of today from AHO.
Top 3 are doing pretty well while Bentley and the rest are having horible starts.
Canisius, RIT and Niagara and Robert Morris are middle of the road.

AHA Overall
Air Force 2-0 3-2-1
Holy Cross 1-0 2-1
Connecticut 1-0 2-2-1
Canisius 1-0 1-2
RIT 0-1-1 1-2-1
Niagara 0-1-1 0-2-2
Bentley 0-0 0-4
Mercyhurst 0-0 0-4
Sacred Heart 0-0 0-4
Robert Morris 0-1 2-3
Army 0-1 0-3-1
American Int'l 0-1 0-5
 
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cplinford said:
Awesome news. I am curious on how this all started, probably will never find out, but the conspiracy theorist in me thinks it was another AHA team ;)
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We will likely never know, but I have been blaming Canisius :p
 
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XCTiger said:
Union has been DI for over 20 years.
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And to think, that could have been RIT :(
XCTiger said:
Also, when they moved to DI they elected to not give scholarships therefore can't give them now. Only those schools offering scholarships at the time of the NCAA ruling are grandfathered in.
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Yes, they have chosen not to offer scholarships from the very beginning. They even went so far as to vote against the grandfathering of previously existing "play-up" programs from D-III just a few short years ago (6,7,8 years, I can't remember exactly). I'm sure that enamored them to their play-up and Liberty League brethren at RPI, Clarkson, and SLU.
 
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Good that he is back - even if it is one game later. It will be interesting to see who Coach starts Friday between Watson and Ruby. My hunch is Watson.
 
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