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>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' The Ritter For Another Year

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Isn't that what we usually expect? To get better every year? To improve on and build on what came before?


Powers &8^]

It's a lot harder to do that at the college level due to turnover with graduations- particularly when RIT has made so much progress in a short period of time. The team lost a TON of scoring and leadership last year (this team would be much better if Crowell and Kharin on the top lines for more scoring depth). The level I feel RIT is at this time is a top contender for regular season and tournament champions where on occasion they beat a non-conference team. They have won confernece titlesThe next step, IMO, is to win the elusive conference tournament title - and that is certainly not out of reach.
 
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My freshmen 4 interview of Chris Tanev is up on the website. Go to the site on my sig and click Articles.
 
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Duh. Who was it, Bill Parcells? that said: "You are what your record says you are"

This is the kind of thick ignorance I am talking about. As a wise man once said "figures don't lie, but liers figure"

You comparing Football to Hockey. In the Pros they play 16 games as oppose to 82. College Football plays 12 games compare to about 35 for Hockey. Every game is much more imporant due to the less amount of games. AGAIN you need some perception... For examples, RIT beat Plattsburgh couple years ago, 6-2 at Plattsburgh. Everyone was ready to hand RIT the national title when the undefeated Tigers met Plattsburgh in the National title game. The Tigers lost 6-2 at the Ritter. Your record is skipping........

Seriously you're pretty off base with this rant. The point I am making (and others) is that we probably don't have as good of a shot at making it out of our conference tournament (this year) because we seem to have taken a step back or two this year. I love how well the program has done since making the jump to D1. But last I knew there wasn't a grace period for getting sellouts where we aren't allowed to criticize the play of some of the team. Isn't this what fans do?

The second part of my “rant” was not solely directed at you, but at several frustrating comments made by several “RIT Fans”. The pipe dreams of many are reaching Michael Phelps on steroids envy levels. I am not off base at all; overall perception is nowhere close to reality on this board. Not that it ever really been, but lately we are going into whole new universe of ignorance.

TRY TO GRASP THIS CONCEPT, IF RIT WINS THE ATLANTIC HOCKEY TOURNAMENT THEY ARE 4 WINS FROM A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

One game playoffs anything can happen, proven by Niagara, Holy Cross, Air Force, and Bemedji St. And RIT prove they can play with anyone. But again your pipe dreaming, we have not even made it their yet and your worrying about winning an NCAA tourament game???? In the 6 year history of the Atlantic, the conference is something like 2-8 in NCAA Tourament games. It is suppose to be very tough to win those games. Not to even mention that the Atlantic has gain a lot more respect thanks to teams like RIT.

Even programs like North Dakota, Minnesota , Michigan, Boston College, and Cornell goes through rough patches. It’s a four year cycle and affects all major college sports. RIT themselves experience a down turn in D-III days around 2004 to the “announcement”. Heck Mr. Chris “Homer” Lerch even called RIT Men’s hockey program over rated at one point. Which of course led him to being sent to bed without dinner by coach Wilson :D

Despite RIT’s lack of so called “Progress”, the Tigers are still at the top of their conference and playing to sold out arena day in and day out. The early loss of Crowell and Kharin turned last year’s painful losses into very painful “graduation” losses. Despite this, Wilson has been able to rally the troops and been able to make this team a legitimate contender for the NCAAs. It extremely disappointing to see that accomplishment being undercut by Alumni/Students who seem to care more about being able to win ****ing contests against Clarkson, Saint Lawrence, Colgate, and Niagara followers. Speak of which if you find true Niagara follower outside of family and friends at Niagara you’ve made history.

Take a look at the University of the State of New York at Buffalo (AKA UB) sports programs. Since they brought their entire sports programs D-I they have mostly been a laughing stock and not just in Football. Very few highlights since going D-I somewhere in the Mid 90s, RIT’s D-I hockey achievements suppress that of all UB Sports in a much shorter amount of time.

Steps need to be taken, need to make the NCAAs, need to get a new arena, need to get scholarships available by bringing the entire school, D-I. In the meantime be nice to see the team getting support from its “fans” instead of childish whining.
 
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I've heard parents of recruits say just the opposite, but I will admit I don't know anything about the very top recruits ... there could be an ego thing there.

Yes, they could apply for aid, but there is no guarantee.

And ... players with aid packages are rarely "walk-ons" The staff works really hard at recruiting all these guys? Does RIT have any walk-ons on the roster? Even in the DIII days I think that was fairly rare.

I'm still of the mind that the arena is #1. The players do love the atmosphere and the key would be to build a cozy 5K-seater that could have that kind of atmosphere, actual seats, and a full NHL-sized rink. I also agree that it will happen and the idea is definitely on the table and rising near the top of the priority list (global village was definitely ahead of it). The matter then just becomes finding the funds. I would imagine before too long there will be a big, "name" donor throwing down a matching challenge to raise the other half of the money. My checkbook is ready to add to that matching side.

RIT treats me well, but not well enough to be the "name" donor!!:eek:

P.S. I think the key to cozy 5K seater is to have very steep stands so the fans are "on top" of the ice and, of course, seats all the way around (even moreso than the Ritter, where the gaps are relatively large).

Agree with you on the arena. I'd like something similar to Matthews Arena at Northeastern.

http://www.gonu.com/mhockey/archives/matthews/index.html

Those upper level balcony seats are just awesome, you're practically on top of the ice. Imagine the Corner Crew in a balcony, right over the goalie's head.

Give me a modernized version of the Matthews and I'll be a happy camper.
 
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Agree with you on the arena. I'd like something similar to Matthews Arena at Northeastern.

http://www.gonu.com/mhockey/archives/matthews/index.html

Those upper level balcony seats are just awesome, you're practically on top of the ice. Imagine the Corner Crew in a balcony, right over the goalie's head.

Give me a modernized version of the Matthews and I'll be a happy camper.

Hm, I don't know if I would use anything of Northeastern's as a shining example of how to improve a hockey program. ;)
 
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Hm, I don't know if I would use anything of Northeastern's as a shining example of how to improve a hockey program. ;)

hahaha hey at least they beat out of conference teams :o
 
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Completely agree on this part. The AHA has a long way to go before RIT, or any team, breaks through that ceiling you mentioned (NCAA spoiler). Frankly, I don't think the AHA is destined to get there. I hope it does, but that's part of the landscape you mentioned. It might also not be possible in the ECAC, but the top few teams there any year can be considered more than just spoilers and the ECAC does get at large bids. I think that's the measure of the league and the potential impact of the top teams. If the AHA starts regularly sending 2 teams to the tourney, then one of them might well be truly near the top of the heap. Until then (never?), an eventual switch to the ECAC (somehow?) would be the next logical step for RIT after that cozy 5K-seat arena.

And yes, there aren't many RIT billionaires, but you only need to have $100 million in the bank near the end of your life, to make a $10 million donation to RIT seam reasonable. (Maybe Tiger Woods wants to make a quick donation!:eek: )

The landscape of College hockey has been changing so much that its very hard to say what will happen in the future. What you say is very good reasoning within the current outlook. However, look at last year when all the sudden Bemedji made it to Final Four, and Air Force was an OT away from going as well?

Also Consider that you have Niagara joining the conference next year which will make it better. You still have Huntsville floating around out there too. You never know what will be possible, but right now the sky is the limit, but tommorrow it may be the moon and the day after that mars...
 
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Agree with you on the arena. I'd like something similar to Matthews Arena at Northeastern.

http://www.gonu.com/mhockey/archives/matthews/index.html

Those upper level balcony seats are just awesome, you're practically on top of the ice. Imagine the Corner Crew in a balcony, right over the goalie's head.

Give me a modernized version of the Matthews and I'll be a happy camper.

I was at First Arena in Elmira this weekend for a Jackels game. I think that would be a great set up, just if you replace most of the suites with a concourse. And put the locker rooms behind the bench. Oh yeah and no purple seats!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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The landscape of College hockey has been changing so much that its very hard to say what will happen in the future. What you say is very good reasoning within the current outlook. However, look at last year when all the sudden Bemedji made it to Final Four, and Air Force was an OT away from going as well?

Also Consider that you have Niagara joining the conference next year which will make it better. You still have Huntsville floating around out there too. You never know what will be possible, but right now the sky is the limit, but tommorrow it may be the moon and the day after that mars...

I think it is way too early to be making a claim that the landscape of college hockey is changing. Last year could just be an anomaly. Besides 2009 there have been almost zero truly surprising teams to make it to the Frozen Four in the past ten years. It's pretty much the same teams over and over again. No.Dak., BC, Maine, Mich., etc.
 
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I was at First Arena in Elmira this weekend for a Jackels game.

Have they changed this building in the past three or four years? Because that last time I was there (DIII Finals) is was a dump.
 
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I think it is way too early to be making a claim that the landscape of college hockey is changing. Last year could just be an anomaly. Besides 2009 there have been almost zero truly surprising teams to make it to the Frozen Four in the past ten years. It's pretty much the same teams over and over again. No.Dak., BC, Maine, Mich., etc.

That's generally the same as basketball and football. Take away the names and just look at resumes and you could be Cincinnati or TCU taking on Alabama for the National Championship instead of Texas. Look at hoops, you have NC, Duke, Kentucky, Michigan State, ....

Winning begets winning. The elite programs generally draw the elite talent.

You want more proof that the landscape is changing? Look at the polls. Anyone think Q-pac would be ranked so high? Bemidji? Ferris St? Those aren't your typical powerhouses.
 
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Blah blah blah, whatever you said.


Listen Naeger, I know you like to think you're the acting authority around here, but honestly you just come off as the average know it all RIT student. After the last game we are talking about the delay of game penalty, that should have been called, and the only thing you can do is go off on a tangent about the announcer not knowing the rule. Honestly, who cares? The refs blew the call and RIT should have had one last chance to tie the game. You're the first one to quote the rule book when the corner boo's a call, or correct anyone around here about some minor rule detail. Ya know what? As a home fan, all calls are garbage. Go to a Sabres game see if anyone cheers when there is a call on them. I'm trying to talk about hockey. Myself and others have are just talking about the play of the team. No one around here has "Michael Phelps on steroids envy levels". I don't even know where that's coming from. RIT needs more balanced scoring to make noise IN THE AHA TOURNAMENT. Maybe if RIT can't beat Niagara they might not be able to handle Air Force or Mercyhurst IN THE AHA TOURNAMENT. This might be a down year for us compared to other years for lots of different reasons.

Talking about scholies and new arenas is nice but no one here has any real insight or knowledge about whats happening on those fronts and to be honest I don't really care. I'm a hockey fan. I've played for 9 years and follow hockey at all levels. I don't need to validate myself based on how RIT is playing. When RIT loses I have the same reaction I do when my men's league team loses. I shrug and have a beer. As a hockey fan I talk about how the team is playing. If some player is playing well I give them credit. If someone else needs to step up I make comments about that as well. But go ahead attack me and others as false fans because we dare have a discussion about the play of the team. What do we know? We are just all ignorant. Guess I should worry more about what the announcers are saying than the play of the team on the ice. Glad you put that in perspective for me.
 
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Despite RIT’s lack of so called “Progress”, the Tigers are still at the top of their conference and playing to sold out arena day in and day out. The early loss of Crowell and Kharin turned last year’s painful losses into very painful “graduation” losses. Despite this, Wilson has been able to rally the troops and been able to make this team a legitimate contender for the NCAAs. It extremely disappointing to see that accomplishment being undercut by Alumni/Students who seem to care more about being able to win ****ing contests against Clarkson, Saint Lawrence, Colgate, and Niagara followers.

Early departures are a part of the game and if RIT wants to crack the upper echelon of programs they better get used to it because it is going to get worse. Just ask Parker, York, etc. how they feel about losing top talent every year to the pro ranks.

Tom, I think you are too defensive of the team and their accomplishments. Coaches don't stop coaching when they win. There is always room for improvement. Fans can appreciate what the team has achieved in the last few years and still want more. Non-conference games are an indicator of how we stack up against other good teams, and they are especially important when our conference has some of the weakest teams in D-I. It is fair to be concerned when we haven't come away with an OOC win. Being concerned doesn't mean we won't have success in the playoffs, it just means we have a lot left to prove before we can contend for a national title.
 
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Have they changed this building in the past three or four years? Because that last time I was there (DIII Finals) is was a dump.

Maybe they put some money in it, I thought it was rather nice and clean. It reminded me of Oswego's arena seemed nice for a minor league arena.
 
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Maybe they put some money in it, I thought it was rather nice and clean. It reminded me of Oswego's arena seemed nice for a minor league arena.

Maybe they have. I haven't seen Oswego's new barn either so I can't compare. Last time I was at the Elmira arena, I believe it was ok, but there wasn't seating all the way around and IIRC, the were seats right up against the metal outside wall. Certainly not a good place if my memory serves.
 
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Early departures are a part of the game and if RIT wants to crack the upper echelon of programs they better get used to it because it is going to get worse. Just ask Parker, York, etc. how they feel about losing top talent every year to the pro ranks.

Tom, I think you are too defensive of the team and their accomplishments. Coaches don't stop coaching when they win. There is always room for improvement. Fans can appreciate what the team has achieved in the last few years and still want more. Non-conference games are an indicator of how we stack up against other good teams, and they are especially important when our conference has some of the weakest teams in D-I. It is fair to be concerned when we haven't come away with an OOC win. Being concerned doesn't mean we won't have success in the playoffs, it just means we have a lot left to prove before we can contend for a national title.

Those are a lot more educated points then what has been made before and I very much agree with you saying that we can be successful in the play off despite our Out of Conference record. On a side note what is going on man, you and I have agreed more this year than all other years combined :eek: :eek: :eek: I most be getting older...:p ;) :D

But I think there still some things that need to be put in perspective.

1) Yes leaving early is part of other programs, but your comparing apples to oranges here. Those departures are due to players going to the NHL and that is because they have the opportunity to play for big bucks. I would also argue that having those types of players significantly changes your program.
Either way we are not there yet, the players who have left have mainly done because they ran out of classes to take and chose not to take graduate course, most likely due to money (IE lack of scholarships). You are also making my point that this is one thing holding this year team down and that is a normal part of being a good program. And to think we are going to draw players of that kind of talent at this point is crazy...

2) What I think is most frustrating for me is that I have seen this team play all but four games this year and many people know I've seen a lot of college hockey. I've watched many programs from D-III to D-I. Yes, I am not thrilled that RIT is at best going to be 2 and 4 at best in there none conference schedule. Honestly they could end up 0-6 and I still would not be as dismayed as others have been. I don’t believe they are seeing the whole picture and looking at things from a glass half empty point of view.

Maybe you had to be there at Saint Lawrence and see RIT completely dominate the Saints everywhere but on the scoreboard on their home ice. I know, I know it wasn’t a win. But given where this team is, I think it still a hell of a good sign. And I heard an ECAC coach recently say that RIT should be in the ECAC and that they would be a very competitive team in that conference.

Let me try to make this point this way, maybe someone will get it. There is a big difference between the start of the season and possible NCAA Tournament first round game. RIT has grown so much already and is getting better with each game. They are on track to finish in the top 3 in their conference, if not win their 3rd regular season title. They will be a tough team to play no matter would get them in the first round. I think they are going to be a better team than possible the 3rd seed in their potential region. Either way, let’s worry about getting there first. You have to walk before you can crawl and Rome was not built in a day, a week, a month, or a year…
 
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Talking about scholies and new arenas is nice but no one here has any real insight or knowledge about whats happening on those fronts and to be honest I don't really care.

What on earth possibly makes you think you know that? Do you somehow know who everyone on the forum is AND everything they know? I'll save you the trouble of answering ... you don't.
 
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Maybe they have. I haven't seen Oswego's new barn either so I can't compare. Last time I was at the Elmira arena, I believe it was ok, but there wasn't seating all the way around and IIRC, the were seats right up against the metal outside wall. Certainly not a good place if my memory serves.

There were seats all the way around, but besides that I believe you are remembering correctly. The basic design I think was solid it could def be improved upon. But just remember even if the next Bill Gates is an RIT Grad we are still not getting the Engelstad Arena...
 
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What on earth possibly makes you think you know that? Do you somehow know who everyone on the forum is AND everything they know? I'll save you the trouble of answering ... you don't.

Because most people on here are students, alumni etc? You're right though I can't know for sure. Sorry If I have offended the super secret mole who has access to the top levels of the school administration but for whatever reason is feigning ignorance on his board... :)
 
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Listen Naeger, I know you like to think you're the acting authority around here, but honestly you just come off as the average know it all RIT student. After the last game we are talking about the delay of game penalty, that should have been called, and the only thing you can do is go off on a tangent about the announcer not knowing the rule. Honestly, who cares? The refs blew the call and RIT should have had one last chance to tie the game. You're the first one to quote the rule book when the corner boo's a call, or correct anyone around here about some minor rule detail. Ya know what? As a home fan, all calls are garbage. Go to a Sabres game see if anyone cheers when there is a call on them. I'm trying to talk about hockey....

...Talking about scholies and new arenas is nice but no one here has any real insight or knowledge about whats happening on those fronts and to be honest I don't really care.

Do you know the definition of the word ignorance? My gosh am I giving English lesson now what is the world coming too?

Just for the record I was not the first to complain about the crew booing a ref, I think Dark Sabre was. And I have been actually known to defend the corner crew. Yeah average fans boo all the time no matter what when a call doesn’t go their teams way. I am proud to say I am not like that.

Take a hint, you clearly have no respect for anyones knowledge on here. There a lot of people a lot more involved or knowledgeable than you know.

Forgive me for busting out the rulebook, I knew it was dangerous. However what you may or may not know is that I am a baseball umpire. Learning the rules to the game has always been, kind of important to me. And I think it’s very embarrassing to go arguing against a call when you’ve made it perfectly clear that you don’t know the rules. Perhaps I take that a little too personally because I have dealt with punks like you all the time on the diamond.

If you really think that none call for delay of game cost the Tigers the game, just stop reading it’s not worth it. There was about 4 seconds left when the player grab the puck, now here is what the rule says:

If the puck is caught and dropped immediately, play shall continue. If the
puck is caught and held, carried or thrown, play shall be stopped. FACE-OFF—At one of the end-zone faceoff spots adjacent to the goal of
the team causing the stoppage of play.

A puck that is on the ice shall not be picked up by any skater. Additionally,
the puck shall not be thrown out of the rink. PENALTY—Minor penalty for delay of game.

The short way of saying this even when the covered the puck, it takes a second or two constitute a whistle or a delay of game penalty. This is why I said yeah, probably should have been called. But if RIT was blaming that for the result of the game then they would not be a good hockey team.
 
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