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REPORT: North Dakota cutting women's hockey

Re: REPORT: North Dakota cutting women's hockey

It's called a student visa. When you are done with school you have to return to your homeland.
 
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ne7minder said:
WOW! Thanks that is a lot of work & I appreciate your digging into it. I think it is only right that we recommend UND cut men's hockey in order to save the institution all that money. Where do these freeloaders get off thinking they can livre on the taxpayers dime like this?
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Thanks, I hope to have the complete information up within a week. Minnesota & Wisconsin are spending a lot of money to stay at the top of the women's programs.

FireKnight said:
That's some interesting information Sean. I wonder if the "lease" fees for the Ralph are part of a shell game to put money somewhere else.
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I think that is unlikely. Starting 2015 that category stipulates it is for debt service, leases and rental fees on athletic facilities regardless of who is paying.

Sean Pickett said:
(I would really like to see the men’s 2016 financials to see if some of the debt service/leases cost was shifted from the men’s team)
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I'm still working on entering a lot of data from one site, but I was on the UND athletic site today and looking around I found their 2016 NCAA Financial Report. I have updated the workbook with the additional information for 2016. The men increased ticket sales another $145 thousand, but the university provided direct support of almost $200 thousand (Rob Port specifically mentioned the direct support of the women's team). Contributions fell back to what they were in 2010, '11 & '13 (as an aside, BU is having a giving day today and as I write this the women's team has received $19,264 and the men's team has received $143,351 in contribution in the last 19 hours). Overall revenue dropped for the men by $250 thousand, even with the direct support payment by the university. On the expenses side athletic aid rose over $100 thousand, travel went up $145 thousand, and uniforms and equipment went up $60 thousand, but game day expenses dropped $450 thousand. The cost of using the Ralph dropped to $1.06 million from $2.23 million in 2015 (if you include the women's $400 thousand the total cost was $1.46 million, still over $600 thousand less). UND also started paying for athletes meals, a relatively modest $37,860 for the men, although that is 10 times what the school paid for the women (I guess the men eat 10 times as much as the women :eek:). Overall expenses for the men dropped over $1.6 million from 2015, but, even with the direct support they ran a loss of over $163 thousand and a loss for the sixth time in the the last seven years.

Sean
 
Re: REPORT: North Dakota cutting women's hockey

pokechecker said:
and there is the problem, not much in ND to pick up the tab, and we know the cheapskate Canadians won't kick in a dime
that's the problem with filling your team with Canadians or Europeans, especially women, they do not stick around, rather go back home



I'd be willing to bet the team does nothing to boost attendance of Canadians, nor increase donations among Canadians
I'm sure there occasional exceptions, but typically as mentioned above, they do not become a part of the community
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The success of the men's team has a direct effect on donations. We've yet to have enough evidence to see if the success of the women's team increases donations. As far as a "part of the community", the women's team is VERY active in the Potsdam community.
 
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FireKnight said:
The success of the men's team has a direct effect on donations. We've yet to have enough evidence to see if the success of the women's team increases donations. As far as a "part of the community", the women's team is VERY active in the Potsdam community.
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I meant stick around after their playing days are over
 
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So it seams like there is some sort of attempt to fight the shutdown, but the UND Prez said cuts are final. Interesting, I doubt there is enough public opinion in ND to turn the tide, from what I have ready anyway.
 
TonyTheTiger20 said:
I didn't even mean regarding NoDak's finances -- I just mean that now that this announcement has been made, and recruits are going elsewhere, and players are transferring out, it's probably too late for the university to change course even if it wanted to. No one would want to play for that program now.
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That was my initial thought too, but seems enough of them have limited options that increases the chance for a real fight.

https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/04/05/university-north-dakota-womens-hockey-cut?xid=socialflow_twitter_si
 
Secretary General of the German Hockey Federation email to Kennedy and Faison at UND:

pic.twitter.com/jh3d8KPfyL

(I think you have to cut and paste my link)
 
It is definitely over. Coach Idalski met with UND President Kennedy today in last ditch effort to find what would be needed to keep the program going.

UND President Kennedy's response, "Womens hockey is a boutique sport and never should have been at UND."

Great leadership.
 
Pens4 said:
It is definitely over. Coach Idalski met with UND President Kennedy today in last ditch effort to find what would be needed to keep the program going.

UND President Kennedy's response, "Womens hockey is a boutique sport and never should have been at UND."

Great leadership.
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Is there a source for this?
 
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I'm late to this since it happened as I headed to Plymouth for worlds, but everything I've heard is in direct opposition to the idea that this decision was announced as soon as it was made.

Not only did the story leak through rumors at least a full week before it went public, but the date for the budget announcement changed multiple times. I heard at least three different days where it was "going to happen." I don't think it's at all a coincidence that this was announced after all their winter sports teams had completed their seasons. I was told the announcement was first scheduled while the men's team was still playing and that was a big no go. It was a clear decision to make the announcement when none of their teams, athletes or coaches would be in a position to have to answer questions about it.
 
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