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Rep Retirement Lodge #154: Olympics

Rep Retirement Lodge #154: Olympics

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Re: Rep Retirement Lodge #154: Olympics

bigblue_dl said:
Bull****! Think what you want about corn syrup, no matter what, fructose is still a sugar.
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Scarlet, you're much better off having chocolate milk than Coke. Recent studies showed chocolate milk being better for post-workout recovery than sports drinks, energy drinks, even water.

bbdl, for what it's worth, I haven't heard anybody say fructose isn't a sugar. The issue people are looking it is whether high-fructose corn syrup is harder for your body to digest (since it doesn't exist in nature) (until you alter the enzymes in a lab, that is). There are still new tests being run, and I'm sure they'll find results all across the spectrum. But to me, you can't say, "BS, corn is sugar!" That'd be like saying (to be provocative :D) "Crack's no worse than coca leaves; it's all still plant products."
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Bull****! Think what you want about corn syrup, no matter what, fructose is still a sugar.
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Depends on if you define sugar by it's colloquial meaning of the refined white granulated stuff that's in nearly every kitchen in the developed world which is almost exclusively sucrose or if you define sugar chemically as any monosaccharide or disaccharide.

Humans have no problem digesting any of the monosaccharides [glucose (dextrose), fructose (levulose), galactose, xylose and ribose] and all disaccharides are just comprised of two monosaccharides bounded togeather. Any issue in digesting monosaccharides comes from an inability to break the bond between the two monosaccharide molecules (such as the inability to break the β-1→4 glycosidic linkage that binds the galactose and glucose molecules togeather in lactose).

If anything, the human body isn't designed to handle the total quanity of sugar that is the typical western diet nor the high rate of consumption that comes from high sugar liquids. Such a rapid spike in blood sugar just isn't good making drinking any soda on an empty stomach hard on the body.
 
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DaveStPaul said:
bbdl, for what it's worth, I haven't heard anybody say fructose isn't a sugar.
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What!?!? Patman just posted: "but that's because HFCS isn't sugar." :p

Corn syrup is sugar, its not your standard granulated sucrose, but it is still sugar. I know all of the arguments against it, but I don't really care, that has nothing to do with whether or not it is sugar, which it is.

BTW, as a farmboy, that has a huge stake in the corn industry, I'm a huge proponent of corn syrup. ;)
 
Scarlet said:
Is drinking a bottle of lowfat chocolate milk better for you than drinking a can of Coke?
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I think so. I'm more worried about empty calories and sugar than fat. Coke has 39 grams vs 23 grams for milk. Almsy commented on fructose vs lactose whicj would be the competing sugars involved. The milk has value as afood as noted already while coke has none.
 
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goldy_331 said:
Twenty five years ago NWA flight 255 went down while taking off from Detroit airport killing 156 people. My (now) wife and I got to spend the night in the airport as we were scheduled to change planes in Detroit about the same time as it happened. It was an MD88 plane.

The NTSB probable cause statement is as follows: "The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the accident was the flightcrew's failure to use the taxi checklist to ensure the flaps and slats were extended for takeoff. Contributing to the accident was the absence of electrical power to the airplane takeoff warning system which thus did not warn the flightcrew that the airplane was not configured properly for takeoff. The reason for the absence of electrical power could not be determined."
The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) provided the evidence regarding the flightcrew omission of the taxi checklist. The stall warning was annunciated. Using the CVR the investigators determined that the aural takeoff warning was not annunciated. The NTSB was unable to determine why there was an electrical power failure to the Central Aural Warning System (CAWS).
"The failure of the takeoff warning system was caused by the loss of input 28V dc. electric power between the airplane’s left dc. bus and the CAWS unit. The interruption of the input power to the CAWS occurred at the P-40 circuit breaker. The mode of interruption could not be determined."
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One of several crashes we studied in school like Palm 90, Eastern 401, Delta 191, and of course United 232.

Saw video of the investigation, pretty interesting stuff.
 
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goldy_331 said:
I think so. I'm more worried about empty calories and sugar than fat. Coke has 39 grams vs 23 grams for milk. Almsy commented on fructose vs lactose whicj would be the competing sugars involved. The milk has value as afood as noted already while coke has none.
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But wouldn't chocolate milk have added sugar, on top of the standard lactose? I'm guessing sucrose is added.
 
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For the engineer folk that need employment around here, I found out today that Remmele is hiring.
 
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Scarlet said:
No, but I've been by it. It's a couple of blocks from where I work. What dates are you here again? Oh, and I never answered you FB message, did I? I should do that.
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No problem and I think we're set. We get in Friday night 9/7, doing the history walk dealio during the day Saturday and meeting on of the boss' good HS friends for dinner later at the Salty Pig. Sunday we have sox tickets in the afternoon and think we will go to Atlantic Fish for dinner for our anniversary (actually on the 12th) and we leave for the New England road trip on Monday morning.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
What!?!? Patman just posted: "but that's because HFCS isn't sugar." :p

Corn syrup is sugar, its not your standard granulated sucrose, but it is still sugar. I know all of the arguments against it, but I don't really care, that has nothing to do with whether or not it is sugar, which it is.

BTW, as a farmboy, that has a huge stake in the corn industry, I'm a huge proponent of corn syrup. ;)
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I saw a nice long presentation which said that "corn sugar" breaks down into things ending in "-hyde"... and that this is quite a bad thing.

And as an American I have a tremendous stake in corn... I want it cheap as possible to feed livestock.
 
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I just want my corn. It's delicious. Especially grilled, while on the cob.
 
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Patman said:
I saw a nice long presentation which said that "corn sugar" breaks down into things ending in "-hyde"... and that this is quite a bad thing.

And as an American I have a tremendous stake in corn... I want it cheap as possible to feed livestock.
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All sugars break down into aldehyde groups. That's just how the body metabolizes them.

Most HFCS is between 40% and 55% fructose with the remainder being glucose.

Table sugar (sucrose) is 50% fructose and 50% glucose (one molecule of each goes into a single molecule of sucrose)

Honey is about 50% fructose, 45% glucose, and 5% other sugars (some variability because honey is a natural product).

Thus, if you consume an equal mass of any of them your body will have to deal with nearly an identical ratio and amount of sugar. Because of this HFCS isn't the problem, consuming to much sugar (regardless of the form that sugar is in) is the real problem. HFCS has been the target because it is used in SO many things that have zero (or nearly zero) nutritional value and given the competing demands for corn in the marketplace.
 
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