MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Moore too!
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Quinnipiac Bobcats 2023-24 Regular Season - Embrace the grind
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Moore too!
Read what some of the Superfans are saying about Q and Rand in the BC thread on here and I bet we can get you to jump to the BU wagon for the remainder of this season
Not a bad word is being said there about the team or it's fans. BC has all the respect for both. As for Rand, yes there is talk about his way of playing the refs and comparing him to some of the all-time great complainers but there is also respect for him as a technical coach. This is not the first time he has been called out for that either. Like it or not he likes to put pressure on the refs to get calls his way.
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Let's be honest here... every coach does that in his own way. It's part of their job. Do you really think York or Brown never worked a ref?
No, they don't and it's not part of their job. Being dishonest and cunning are not traits one should adhere to. There is a huge difference in demeanor between coaches. York and Brown are opposites of Jack Parker, Shawn Walsh, Greg Carvel and Rand Pecknold in that respect. They are all highly gifted technical coaches but if you truly watched them work the refs throughout their careers you would see a huge difference in how they approach and treat the on ice officials. Notice how I said on ice officials for by all accounts Jack Parker in particular, I can't speak for the others, was a true gentleman away from the game.
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
I didn't realize wings were required to stand behind the BC bench... ;-)
If you don't think they work the refs you're just fooling yourself. Maybe some are less animated than others but whatever their style, they ALL do it.
And for what it's worth, Rand is a pretty nice guy away from the rink.
All referees make mistakes from time to time. They have a very difficult job because of the pace of the game. They have a way of correcting any possible missed flagrant violations without any coach peppering them. A coach can just say to a referee to please watch a video of it later rather than to chew them out in public. Things can take time to even out, but some coaches are adamant on getting immediate results. This is for actual missed calls not perceived or contrived ones. That is the difference we are talking here. I once was a goal judge at a Harvard-Cornell game that decided the championship and a Cornell player took a violent swipe at a Harvard player behind the net out of view of the officials. Between periods the referees were discussing the activities between the players on ice and were unaware of it until I told them what happened. That Cornell player was watched more closely the rest of that game. They don't need or deserve to take gruff from coaches.
joegrav
New member
I have never heard a negative word about Rand, by all accounts he is an awesome person in addition to being a great coach.
He is a yeller and a hard-ass in terms of his coaching style, which I think is just a 'different strokes' thing. Jack Parker was the same way (and of course is also known to be a wonderful person). Different styles work for different coaches - York and Brown are a little more low-key in their demeanor and that has worked for them.
Of course, there will be trash talk after a game either way, haha.
But I think any BC fan who overlooked Q or thought of them as a flash in the pan is totally disposed of those notions after Sunday. We all know it took a monumental effort from a great BC team to win that game. Looking forward to more BC-Q games to come. I know this road is well-trod and it's a tired topic, but would be pretty cool to have them in Hockey East.
Total speculation on my part but as an Arizona prospect, maybe he doesn't want to go there? They are still a bottom of the league team, playing in a college arena with no current prospect for their own NHL level building. If he stays another year at QU he can be a free agent and goes where he wants to go.
Also, if he stays, is he the captain?
This would seem to be a big step down.
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MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
I'm curious about Rasenen. He'd be Metsa-like as a 5th year.
Of course every coach works the ref in some manner. Not every coach tells the ref a player is diving after being drilled with a blind side hit.
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Live, I thought the hit might be bad. During the review the few replays made it clear that there was no direct head contact. It was the final replay that clearly showed Graf got the puck first (I've seen it said that Leonard wasn't near the puck). Both players were going for the puck. In the end I think the right call was made and we surely paid for it. Rand's "diving" impersonation came after the review so I'm not sure he was "working the refs".
You guys won on the ice and I'm ok with that. Keeping on about Rand just comes across as sour grapes to me. You won, are going to Minnesota and I wish you the best (even if I won't be rooting for you). Can we just let this die?
i agree with that. Makes sense not to want to play in AZ...and be captain should be appealing.
I mean telling a ref the player is diving is absolutely working the ref for the rest of the game. He looked like a fool. It's not Leonard's fault the ref called a penalty. That's all. I would think any fan would take issue with another coach trying to play that off as a dive.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
When I only had a mild acquaintance with Rand I was put off by his complaining, but after so many seasons of watching him I am very impressed with him as a coach. Sure, he works the refs, so did every great coach in history. Jack Parker should have been called Dr. B-tch, and not just for his honorary degrees. John Tortorella is on the Whining Rushmore. Mark Morris never met a coach he didn't want to defenestrate (ok, perhaps a bad example). What did they all have in common? They won, and when you win people come up with reasons to hate you.
I also reevaluated Rand after I realized that he and Schafer, who play out their Spy Vs Spy schtick on the bench every year, are friends off ice who have participated together in coaching clinics and charity functions and all that. The actual hockey people recognize the kayfabe you do for the refs and the fans is just part of the job, not personal.
IMO, Rand's record is unassailable. He is a genuinely great coach.
QUAlum2004
Well-known member
He is not returning and neither is Duplessis.
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
I've also heard that they are at least cordial off the ice. While they may not be BFF's, they do have a mutual respect towards each other as coaches. That's one of the nice things about college hockey... whatever happens during a game ends at the final buzzer and everyone remains friends... usually.
As bad as Rand can be sometimes concerning the refs, Mike is a master. I seen a number of times where he "chats" with an official and then suddenly something is called against the opposition.
Thank you! Did it hurt to say that?
Love him or hate him, his record speaks for itself.
DrewQU99
#BobcatNation
If Lipkin comes back, which I hope he does, there's no doubt that he should be made captain.
Hard to believe that next season we could be looking at a roster that will feature only 6 players left from the 2023 championship team: Lipkin, Power, Cipollone, Czerneckianair, Legault and Altman.
Hard to believe that next season we could be looking at a roster that will feature only 6 players left from the 2023 championship team: Lipkin, Power, Cipollone, Czerneckianair, Legault and Altman.
CornellFan13
New member
Schafer and Rand are friends off the ice? Don’t think that’s true…at all. Cordial maybe, friends no. Rand once accused Cornell’s Cole Bardreau of embellishing moments after a Quinnipiac player nearly re-broke Cole’s neck, waiving his arms at the ref as Cole lay motionless on the ice. I’ve posted the article in this thread already and don’t think I need to do it again. In any case, that killed any chance of Schafer and Rand ever becoming friends. Quinnipiac also sees way more players transfer in and out than other ECAC schools, which granted has become more the norm across the NCAA but is still striking to see as a fan of a team (Cornell) where almost nobody transfers either into or out of the program. Seems to me that Quinnipiac overrecruits, and despite having enough incoming freshmen to fill classes, still takes players out of the portal/asks their stars to stay five years and then tells the incoming freshmen there’s no room for them or lets them matriculate but never plays them.
With all that said, Rand is obviously a great coach from a perspective of Ws and Ls. I wouldn’t be complaining about how he conducts himself if he didn’t have such incredible success. But I don’t respect how he does it.