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Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
No. I'm old and IT'S BEEN YEARS!!!!
Did any of you ever imagine that you'd miss Pooley so badly?
No. I'm old and IT'S BEEN YEARS!!!!
Did any of you ever imagine that you'd miss Pooley so badly?
squidjigger
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Not sure if anyone here pays attention or cares about PC Basketball, but they are tanking pretty bad now. After starting off well with an easy out of conference schedule, they are now 0-6 in big east play. Combined with last year, they havent won a big east game in 17 tries. The reason I bring it up in this forum is because on the pc bball boards alot of people are speculating that with dwindling alumni contributions, if coach keno doesn't get some wins soon this could be his last year. Alot of self acclaimed "insiders" are giving this info but it makes sense. I try and take these "insiders" with a grain of salt. I just find it funny that if the administration is looking for a new hire, how quickly it comes compared to hockey. The similiarities in the coaching situations are glaring. Keno uses the "we have a young team" (rightfully) as does Army(wrongfully). While both coaches are looking to the future and a time to rebuild, only keno really has the right to pull that card. He's still working with a few tim welsh leftovers and seems to have a steady grasp on recruiting top 100 players. (just landed the #3 recuit in the country). Army has a few decent recruits coming in but hes been working with his hand picked team for a while now with nothing to show of it. Yet time and again, it seems as though he encourages fans to look to the future. I guess in the long run it comes down to money, and the hockey program is now looked at like a non-profit organization, where as basketball is big business. The question is what will happen if the bball team continues to take a nose dive, and with three games coming up vs. unh the hockey team follows suit. Will army be overlooked and keep his position as the administration focuses on a potential basketball disaster? Or will there be an entire athletic dept. shake-up, with the finger potentially be pointed at driscoll. As a disclaimer, I'll be the first to say i hope none of this happens and both teams turn it around in a hurry.
Not sure if anyone here pays attention or cares about PC Basketball, but they are tanking pretty bad now. After starting off well with an easy out of conference schedule, they are now 0-6 in big east play. Combined with last year, they havent won a big east game in 17 tries. The reason I bring it up in this forum is because on the pc bball boards alot of people are speculating that with dwindling alumni contributions, if coach keno doesn't get some wins soon this could be his last year. Alot of self acclaimed "insiders" are giving this info but it makes sense. I try and take these "insiders" with a grain of salt. I just find it funny that if the administration is looking for a new hire, how quickly it comes compared to hockey. The similiarities in the coaching situations are glaring. Keno uses the "we have a young team" (rightfully) as does Army(wrongfully). While both coaches are looking to the future and a time to rebuild, only keno really has the right to pull that card. He's still working with a few tim welsh leftovers and seems to have a steady grasp on recruiting top 100 players. (just landed the #3 recuit in the country). Army has a few decent recruits coming in but hes been working with his hand picked team for a while now with nothing to show of it. Yet time and again, it seems as though he encourages fans to look to the future. I guess in the long run it comes down to money, and the hockey program is now looked at like a non-profit organization, where as basketball is big business. The question is what will happen if the bball team continues to take a nose dive, and with three games coming up vs. unh the hockey team follows suit. Will army be overlooked and keep his position as the administration focuses on a potential basketball disaster? Or will there be an entire athletic dept. shake-up, with the finger potentially be pointed at driscoll. As a disclaimer, I'll be the first to say i hope none of this happens and both teams turn it around in a hurry.
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
It's spin, the art of self-preservation. He always seems to be putting out the same PR lines, but who believes any of it at this point? The reality is his record. He didn't just walk in the door, he's been here for years. I realize, fully, there are so many things wrong with PC's athletic programs that he's not the only one to blame for the hockey team's woes, but let's face it, he hasn't shown any ability in the time he's been here that he's cut out to be a successful college coach either. He failed to get Pooley's kids to play, he's failed to develop the recruits he's had, and he's lost, MOST tellingly, how many of his own recruits who've left the program? Yet as you suggest, you almost wonder that the school cares as much about the program as the fans do, so to me, nothing is going to change until his deal runs out which is, what, 2013? Maybe if PC struggles this year and next he'll vacate the premises before the school has a chance to fire him, which is what happened with Pooley, who knew he wasn't getting another deal and left before it was too late (for him).
Except sometimes the only way for anything to change is for programs to bottom out. Besides, do you think Driscoll was a good hire? From what I heard the guy was cheap, pure and simple. Certainly the track record of MOST of the athletic programs at PC is so horrendous, Driscoll ought to be long gone by this point.
Of course it also boils down to what the school envisions for its athletic programs, how the President views sports in PC's overall spectrum and how much it means. To me, just looking from the outside in, they are in a very precarious situation right now. The basketball team drives the bus financially, making a situation like an 0-6 start in the Big East a more pressing need than fixing a hockey program that, again, nobody seems to care about. You also didn't mention the horrific off-court incidents from a year ago that gave the school a black eye, not to mention the inept and pathetic response from Driscoll, Davis, and the school involving those players who ended up being expelled. Put that together with a futile on-court performance, the horrendous atmosphere of the Dunk, and you wonder if Davis and Driscoll both are on thin ice. Certainly, beyond that, you've currently got a recipe for a program that's going to be languishing in the cellar of the country's elite basketball conference for years and years to come. Frankly I don't see how they ever get competitive in the Big East in the near future. The whole atmosphere there, the lack of success since the conference has extended to 16 teams -- it's a bad scene but it needs to be addressed because PC has become an also-ran in that conference.
And the only thing I can say to that is -- good luck. I don't believe they have the right people in there to make that turnaround happen, on either the hockey or hoops fronts, or, just as if not more importantly, above them.
It's spin, the art of self-preservation. He always seems to be putting out the same PR lines, but who believes any of it at this point? The reality is his record. He didn't just walk in the door, he's been here for years. I realize, fully, there are so many things wrong with PC's athletic programs that he's not the only one to blame for the hockey team's woes, but let's face it, he hasn't shown any ability in the time he's been here that he's cut out to be a successful college coach either. He failed to get Pooley's kids to play, he's failed to develop the recruits he's had, and he's lost, MOST tellingly, how many of his own recruits who've left the program? Yet as you suggest, you almost wonder that the school cares as much about the program as the fans do, so to me, nothing is going to change until his deal runs out which is, what, 2013? Maybe if PC struggles this year and next he'll vacate the premises before the school has a chance to fire him, which is what happened with Pooley, who knew he wasn't getting another deal and left before it was too late (for him).
Except sometimes the only way for anything to change is for programs to bottom out. Besides, do you think Driscoll was a good hire? From what I heard the guy was cheap, pure and simple. Certainly the track record of MOST of the athletic programs at PC is so horrendous, Driscoll ought to be long gone by this point.
Of course it also boils down to what the school envisions for its athletic programs, how the President views sports in PC's overall spectrum and how much it means. To me, just looking from the outside in, they are in a very precarious situation right now. The basketball team drives the bus financially, making a situation like an 0-6 start in the Big East a more pressing need than fixing a hockey program that, again, nobody seems to care about. You also didn't mention the horrific off-court incidents from a year ago that gave the school a black eye, not to mention the inept and pathetic response from Driscoll, Davis, and the school involving those players who ended up being expelled. Put that together with a futile on-court performance, the horrendous atmosphere of the Dunk, and you wonder if Davis and Driscoll both are on thin ice. Certainly, beyond that, you've currently got a recipe for a program that's going to be languishing in the cellar of the country's elite basketball conference for years and years to come. Frankly I don't see how they ever get competitive in the Big East in the near future. The whole atmosphere there, the lack of success since the conference has extended to 16 teams -- it's a bad scene but it needs to be addressed because PC has become an also-ran in that conference.
And the only thing I can say to that is -- good luck. I don't believe they have the right people in there to make that turnaround happen, on either the hockey or hoops fronts, or, just as if not more importantly, above them.
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squidjigger
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
A buy out would be around 3 million, but losing 25% of the season ticket base adds up over time. With shrinking booster support, 3 mil might not become unthinkable.
I would love to see the the exact season ticket numbers for hockey, in the past 10 years. Maybe we will get lucky and driscoll will fire army to take some slack off keno.
A buy out would be around 3 million, but losing 25% of the season ticket base adds up over time. With shrinking booster support, 3 mil might not become unthinkable.
I would love to see the the exact season ticket numbers for hockey, in the past 10 years. Maybe we will get lucky and driscoll will fire army to take some slack off keno.
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
That seems about right. Give a long-term contract to an unproven commodity and reward them for mediocrity (or worse!). Just utterly baffling how they hand out contracts at that school for achieving nothing. Like when Army got his lengthy deal off having accomplished zero through his first two seasons.
That seems about right. Give a long-term contract to an unproven commodity and reward them for mediocrity (or worse!). Just utterly baffling how they hand out contracts at that school for achieving nothing. Like when Army got his lengthy deal off having accomplished zero through his first two seasons.
PcFriars13
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Definitely...now only if we could tip some of those close losses to our favor.
Definitely...now only if we could tip some of those close losses to our favor.
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
I guess that is the difference between Maine expectations and PC expectations.
Maine was up 3-1 in the third over UNH and lost in OT and alotta Maine fans said that was the end of the season and the end of any remaining vestiges of faith in Whitehead that they might have had.
I guess that is the difference between Maine expectations and PC expectations.
Maine was up 3-1 in the third over UNH and lost in OT and alotta Maine fans said that was the end of the season and the end of any remaining vestiges of faith in Whitehead that they might have had.
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
They haven't won a conference game since November 5th, they're hanging onto 8th place by a single point -- and at this rate there's a distinct possibility this team yet again will fail to qualify for the conference playoffs -- so I'm a bit perplexed by what exactly he "has put together" this year satyking. Like I said last week, those games at UVM coming up could well be for the final playoff slot. Even Lowell is only 4 points back and they're dead last.
I know it's hard to play on the "big ice," but Pooley had plenty of teams that went up there and melted away after playing well for a time. Bottom line is when you've got a 3rd period, two-goal lead and supposedly one of the best goaltenders in the conference, you've got to find a way to win that game. I have no idea how it broke down but Beaudry has to carry the team on his back and find a way to pull out 2 points. Instead it's one more January loss for Army, and PC is in desperate need of turning this around before they sink to the bottom again. It's good to see them not packing it and I know they've been better in general (though I think an argument could be made the first half was undoubtedly the easier part of their schedule), but their only wins in the last two months have been over Quinnipiac, Holy Cross and Alabama-Huntsville. Not exactly murderer's row there.
And the schedule doesn't get any easier -- 2 more with UNH, 2 up at UVM (those are going to be quite difficult games to pull out), then BC, BU, Umass...if they don't fix it fast they could go on another of these Army end-of-the-season meltdowns like we've seen year in and out.
They haven't won a conference game since November 5th, they're hanging onto 8th place by a single point -- and at this rate there's a distinct possibility this team yet again will fail to qualify for the conference playoffs -- so I'm a bit perplexed by what exactly he "has put together" this year satyking. Like I said last week, those games at UVM coming up could well be for the final playoff slot. Even Lowell is only 4 points back and they're dead last.
I know it's hard to play on the "big ice," but Pooley had plenty of teams that went up there and melted away after playing well for a time. Bottom line is when you've got a 3rd period, two-goal lead and supposedly one of the best goaltenders in the conference, you've got to find a way to win that game. I have no idea how it broke down but Beaudry has to carry the team on his back and find a way to pull out 2 points. Instead it's one more January loss for Army, and PC is in desperate need of turning this around before they sink to the bottom again. It's good to see them not packing it and I know they've been better in general (though I think an argument could be made the first half was undoubtedly the easier part of their schedule), but their only wins in the last two months have been over Quinnipiac, Holy Cross and Alabama-Huntsville. Not exactly murderer's row there.
And the schedule doesn't get any easier -- 2 more with UNH, 2 up at UVM (those are going to be quite difficult games to pull out), then BC, BU, Umass...if they don't fix it fast they could go on another of these Army end-of-the-season meltdowns like we've seen year in and out.
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HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
With tonight's loss, PC now has 12 wins in their last 69 Hockey East games.
With tonight's loss, PC now has 12 wins in their last 69 Hockey East games.
PcFriars13
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
I was nine the last time PC made the NCAA tournament. ha.
I was nine the last time PC made the NCAA tournament. ha.
The Freds
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
2000 I did not mean I was happy with the outcome so far but that compared to the teams Army has been putting on the ice this group at least has pride and will not quit, the past few years they would have layed down and played dead......I do agree that they must learn how to finish when they have a lead. Maybe they are going into a prevent "D" instead of continuing in the attack mode, hopefully they will get it fixed soon and fans will start to go to their home games again
2000 I did not mean I was happy with the outcome so far but that compared to the teams Army has been putting on the ice this group at least has pride and will not quit, the past few years they would have layed down and played dead......I do agree that they must learn how to finish when they have a lead. Maybe they are going into a prevent "D" instead of continuing in the attack mode, hopefully they will get it fixed soon and fans will start to go to their home games again
hockeymascot
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Does anyone know what time the U18 vs Providence game is today. Thank you in advance.
Does anyone know what time the U18 vs Providence game is today. Thank you in advance.
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
friars.com says it is at 7:00pm.
friars.com says it is at 7:00pm.
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