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Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

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Anyone at the PC v MC game saturday would have left satisfied that they got their monies worth. Good game and good effort bya team who had zero to play for.

Given that tickets for Saturday night were only a buck, satisfaction isn't too hard to accomplish. ;)

Now, anyone at the MC vs PC game on Friday night who sits on the PC side of the fence left Friday night's game feeling like they were robbed. Bad game and lackluster effort at regular prices.

But then again, Friday night's game is an example of why I won't be back.
 
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You choose to be negative, I choose not to. I kept my Red Sox and Celtics tickets when they were losing, Bruins as well.

I couldnt agree anymore that people like to pile on when teams are in a bad spell. that is human nature. i choose not to. would rather go watch and take it for what it is. just like Saturday eve when it was a good game and I enjoyed it. Could have stayed home and watched tv but would have missed out on a good agme and watching fayne and others end their carear playing their tails off. It's a shame you mised it....

Look forward to next season....
 
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Could have stayed home and watched tv but would have missed out on a good agme and watching fayne and others end their carear playing their tails off.

As opposed to Friday night. They really played "their tails off" in front of the home crowd, giving up 5 goals to Merrimack in the 1st period, right?

After that performance I wouldn't blame fans one bit for not wasting their money, time and energy driving up to Andover after the show PC put on the night before. Just like Freds said, that game Friday is symbolic of why fans have vacated the Coffin.
 
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So a great goalie gave up 5/10 Friday night and 1/10 on Saturday night and that equates to non effort? Oh, thats how it works? oh, thanks for filling me in.
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

You mean that a bad hockey game isn't as bad as the murder of 13 million people? 99.99999999999999999 of the things in this world aren't.
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Ok Jon.... At least its not a Tsunami. The point was its not that bad, its only a game

mapquest it and get there.
 
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Merrimack has not had a winning record in 21 year history of Hockey East. Backed into playoffs by tying the last placed team at home. Had a losing record again this year. New coach has been there 5 years and has never been to playoffs, just now while under 500 again. got smoked 7-1 by BC a week+ ago. Has a grand total of 2 playoff wins in last 20+/- years. Has a 14 game hockey east play off losing streak

their fans are pumped and positive. almost zero negative posts over last few years on here

what kool aid are they sipping>??????

shame on them for having fun
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

HokyMan

I don't see it as necesarily negative to express concern about a program that is going downhill at an alarming rate. It's actually an indication that these people care about PC hockey and would like to see changes. If everyone just found the tiny slivers of positives ("Fayne played hard against Merrimack") and ignored the negatives then no one would ever take a critical look at the program and think about how it could be improved.

People who have followed the Friars for years and remember when PC was a highly successful and respected team are concerned about where the current trend will lead. It could conceivably lead to elimination of the program if they continue to play poorly and draw poorly (the two obviously go hand in hand).

So people who care about the program have a right to express concern about what is happening--the disappointing record despite having perhaps the league's top goalie, the departure of promising players, complete lack of scoring, failure to honor seniors on senior night (though I have just picked this issue up from this board and it's quite possible Simson was injured), the decline in interest among students and community--these are serious concerns for true PC fans--even if you see no cause for alarm.

If you are fine with the team ending 10 points or so out of the playoffs and finishing last two straight years, and if you are content watching a meaningless (for PC) season-ending game in North Andover, that's great, but it suggests that you are a casual observer and not someone who actually cares where the program is headed. In light of that, you should probably yield the floor here to folks who would like to see the Friars at least return to respectabilty.
 
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Merrimack has not had a winning record in 21 year history of Hockey East. Backed into playoffs by tying the last placed team at home. Had a losing record again this year. New coach has been there 5 years and has never been to playoffs, just now while under 500 again. got smoked 7-1 by BC a week+ ago. Has a grand total of 2 playoff wins in last 20+/- years. Has a 14 game hockey east play off losing streak

their fans are pumped and positive. almost zero negative posts over last few years on here

what kool aid are they sipping>??????

shame on them for having fun

Someone here told the Merrimack fans not to have fun? Gee, must have missed that.

The two situations AREN'T THE SAME.

Merrimack has never really been there before, you're right, historically and otherwise. Their coach started with nothing and slowly has gotten them moving in the right direction.

PC HAS been there before. Tim Army started with some players and has taken them in the total reverse direction. They've gotten worse every single year, in terms of personnel and performance. FIRST TIME EVER IN THE PROGRAM'S HISTORY they've put 4 losing seasons together. All of this has happened under his watch.

Your argument would make morse sense if the NEXT coach here at PC fails on the same level Army has, because then they would be inheriting a last place program. That doesn't apply to Army though, because the circumstance wasn't the same when he started.

So a great goalie gave up 5/10 Friday night and 1/10 on Saturday night and that equates to non effort? Oh, thats how it works? oh, thanks for filling me in.

We're talking about the team, not the goaltender. If you think giving up 5 goals in the first 20 minutes -- not over a 60 minute span, but just the 1st period alone -- to Merrimack is indicative of a strong effort, that's good for you. Doesn't cut it by any other standard that I know of.

And BTW Merrimack has never been a "difficult place to play" until Army took over coaching here.
 
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HokyMan

I don't see it as necesarily negative to express concern about a program that is going downhill at an alarming rate. It's actually an indication that these people care about PC hockey and would like to see changes. If everyone just found the tiny slivers of positives ("Fayne played hard against Merrimack") and ignored the negatives then no one would ever take a critical look at the program and think about how it could be improved.

People who have followed the Friars for years and remember when PC was a highly successful and respected team are concerned about where the current trend will lead. It could conceivably lead to elimination of the program if they continue to play poorly and draw poorly (the two obviously go hand in hand).

So people who care about the program have a right to express concern about what is happening--the disappointing record despite having perhaps the league's top goalie, the departure of promising players, complete lack of scoring, failure to honor seniors on senior night (though I have just picked this issue up from this board and it's quite possible Simson was injured), the decline in interest among students and community--these are serious concerns for true PC fans--even if you see no cause for alarm.

If you are fine with the team ending 10 points or so out of the playoffs and finishing last two straight years, and if you are content watching a meaningless (for PC) season-ending game in North Andover, that's great, but it suggests that you are a casual observer and not someone who actually cares where the program is headed. In light of that, you should probably yield the floor here to folks who would like to see the Friars at least return to respectabilty.

fair enough...
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

HokyMan

I don't see it as necesarily negative to express concern about a program that is going downhill at an alarming rate. It's actually an indication that these people care about PC hockey and would like to see changes. If everyone just found the tiny slivers of positives ("Fayne played hard against Merrimack") and ignored the negatives then no one would ever take a critical look at the program and think about how it could be improved.

People who have followed the Friars for years and remember when PC was a highly successful and respected team are concerned about where the current trend will lead. It could conceivably lead to elimination of the program if they continue to play poorly and draw poorly (the two obviously go hand in hand).

So people who care about the program have a right to express concern about what is happening--the disappointing record despite having perhaps the league's top goalie, the departure of promising players, complete lack of scoring, failure to honor seniors on senior night (though I have just picked this issue up from this board and it's quite possible Simson was injured), the decline in interest among students and community--these are serious concerns for true PC fans--even if you see no cause for alarm.

If you are fine with the team ending 10 points or so out of the playoffs and finishing last two straight years, and if you are content watching a meaningless (for PC) season-ending game in North Andover, that's great, but it suggests that you are a casual observer and not someone who actually cares where the program is headed. In light of that, you should probably yield the floor here to folks who would like to see the Friars at least return to respectabilty.

Says it all. Thanks Czech. :cool:
 
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We're talking about the team, not the goaltender. If you think giving up 5 goals in the first 20 minutes -- not over a 60 minute span, but just the 1st period alone -- to Merrimack is indicative of a strong effort, that's good for you. Doesn't cut it by any other standard that I know of.

And BTW Merrimack has never been a "difficult place to play" until Army took over coaching here.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to the other Hockey east teams....
 
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Tell that to the other Hockey east teams....

Right, because historically speaking over the span of the last few decades, playing at Merrimack has been every bit as daunting as going to Maine, UNH, BC, BU.... :rolleyes:
 
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Tell that to the other Hockey east teams....

Yeah, it was so difficult that before this season, Lowell hadn't lost a game there since 2000. Wanna try again?:rolleyes:
 
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Right, because historically speaking over the span of the last few decades, playing at Merrimack has been every bit as daunting as going to Maine, UNH, BC, BU.... :rolleyes:

Exacty what I am talking about. You are so jaded and negative you do nothing but try and find a negative out of everything. We are not talking about 17 years ago.

Or are we? In your new long term perspective world PC is a top 4 program

go to bed Eyore, the rain clud is hindering your judgement
 
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You guys need some of the hockey supporters with money to step up and get on the AD about getting a new coach. Good luck
 
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Exacty what I am talking about. You are so jaded and negative you do nothing but try and find a negative out of everything. We are not talking about 17 years ago.

Or are we? In your new long term perspective world PC is a top 4 program

go to bed Eyore, the rain clud is hindering your judgement

You seriously need help.:eek:
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Exacty what I am talking about. You are so jaded and negative you do nothing but try and find a negative out of everything. We are not talking about 17 years ago.

Or are we? In your new long term perspective world PC is a top 4 program

go to bed Eyore, the rain clud is hindering your judgement

Rain cluds? We're doooomed! :eek:

Where do rain cluds rank on your PC Hockey-to-The Holocaust scale of seriousness?
 
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Merrimack has not had a winning record in 21 year history of Hockey East. Backed into playoffs by tying the last placed team at home.

That is false. Had Merrimack not gained a point in that game they would have finished with 25, tied with Vermont for the 8th spot. However, MC holds the tiebreaker against the Cats, so they still would have been in. The last game against PC affected the matchups, but but not eligibility because Vermont did not finish above 25 points and NU did not reach 25 points because of BU sweeping. If MC had lost they would have "backed in" because then they would have needed BU (or NU) to sweep in order to get in. A split for those two and a loss in MC's last game would have tied everybody at 26, and MC would have lost tiebreakers with both teams. That still would only have placed them 8th-- they wouldn't have been out unless Vermont got more than 26 points. So even if UVM had gotten one more point in their final weekend, MC STILL would have made the playoffs because they have the tiebreaker over UVM.

In other words, MC did not "back in" to the playoffs this year. That phrase is reserved for situations where the team does not control its own destiny. MC went into the final weekend in control of their playoff destiny, and 3 points out of 4 was enough to clinch in the last game. They didn't get a win, but they didn't need it.

Had a losing record again this year. New coach has been there 5 years and has never been to playoffs, just now while under 500 again. got smoked 7-1 by BC a week+ ago.

Actually it was 7-0. 7-1 was the score of the Northeastern game two days prior, and BC had also beaten Umass by a score of 7-1 back in February, and Maine 6-1 back in January, and UVM 7-1 back in November. Of course, that's what happens when a team scores the most goals in league play-- in this case, Boston College.

That doesn't excuse MC not showing up against the Eagles, but BC is clearly a team that can score and has blown several teams out this season.

Has a grand total of 2 playoff wins in last 20+/- years. Has a 14 game hockey east play off losing streak

You might as well quote the complete record: they have a grand total of three Hockey East playoff victories. They took the '98 series 2 games to 1 and advanced to the semis, where BC beat them, and they took one game against BC at Conte in 1990, their first year in the league, winning 6-3 behind Andy Heinze's natural hat trick while playing against his younger brother and future Boston Bruin, Steve Heinze (of the famous H-E-M line).

Before that they won three ECAC division 2 championships in a row and upset Northeastern in the NCAA quarters in 1988.

their fans are pumped and positive. almost zero negative posts over last few years on here

what kool aid are they sipping>??????

shame on them for having fun

If you ask me, quite a few of them are sipping kool-aid and have been for many, many years. Failure to recognize early enough many flaws and failings have kept the program from advancing, in part, although the greater part was simply a lack of resources and a lack of good fortune. Right now they are getting a bit more of each. How far it will carry them, I can't say, but frankly I do not think the performance of late quite justifies some of the bravado I've seen. Having said that, I certainly wouldn't want the team to fall victim to "happy to be here" syndrome, and hopefully they won't. I think the impact players on this team are young enough not to know that they aren't expected to do well in the playoffs. They played BU pretty even at Agganis, and since those games have learned to win on the road. We'll see.

Regarding PC, I completely sympathize with those who are hitting the panic button. PC is the only other school of comparable size in the league to Merrimack, and their enrollment is about double MC's. If MC were to start regularly performing better in the league than Providence, I think they'd be nuts down there not to take a serious look at their entire approach to the program. PC's hockey program, at its height, was a good deal better than Merrimack's ever was-- but that's about as far in the past now as Merrimack's glory days in Division II, and about as relevant.

If PC were to finish below Merrimack, out of the playoffs, and lose the season series against the Warriors next season, I think the administrators at Providence would be insane not to look at what they are getting for their investment in that program, and look at either stepping it up in order to be more competitive, or deciding that what they are paying isn't worth it so they can merely say that they are competing in the country's premier collegiate hockey league.

Because this year, the league was not nearly that premier, and by the numbers, Providence was by far the worst team in it. So in a down year, in a year where every playoff team from spots #4 to #8 were only a game over or a game under .500, PC was the first team eliminated from contention. There's nothing to have fun with there, and for the first time since Merrimack joined Hockey East I feel worse for the fans of another team than I do for myself-- because while the Warriors didn't take everything that was on offer on the table this year, they are into the playoffs and did just about as well as five other teams. Nobody swept them. I can feel for PC's fans because the numbers show just how little there is positive to take from this year's season-- just like there have been many, many Merrimack seasons in Hockey East when there has been little to nothing positive for fans to go on. That doesn't stop people from looking-- some will always see whatever good there is, no matter how little there is, and some people will invent a little if they can't find any.

I've never been like that, and I can't find it in myself to condemn fans of another program because they aren't like that, either. I'm not sure why you should, or why anyone else should. Nobody likes fairweather fans, that's for sure. That doesn't justify swigging out of an empty cup and calling it kool-aid.
 
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Because this year, the league was not nearly that premier, and by the numbers, Providence was by far the worst team in it. So in a down year, in a year where every playoff team from spots #4 to #8 were only a game over or a game under .500, PC was the first team eliminated from contention. There's nothing to have fun with there

I tried to explain this exact same point to him during the season several times, but he responded as he always does to valid, rational posts by hurling insults instead. Hopefully he will listen to you before you get banished to the Hundred Acre Wood as well.

Seriously, cheers to a great post that I agree with 100%. And good luck against BU this weekend. :)
 
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