Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

[satyking]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Everyone send your comments here,
Driscoll, Robert RDRISCOL@providence.edu

See if it helps at all.....at least we tried

 

[HockeyMan2000]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Everyone send your comments here,
Driscoll, Robert RDRISCOL@providence.edu

See if it helps at all.....at least we tried

Sadly he's part of the problem too. But you can try --it never hurts.

#1FF's post is something that hits the nail on the head. Blame the funding and administration all you want -- a good coach still could've come in here, taken the players he inherited, and gotten them to play together to some degree. Army completely failed to do that. In fact the players quit on him and several left. Then several of his own players left -- a pattern we've seen almost every season. The fact every year PC falls apart in the middle of January, peters out to the finish and plays out the string is a real black mark against Tim Army. There's no way around it. His teams don't play for him, I think that is patently evident by the game Friday in which Merrimack puts a 5-spot on the board in the 1st period.

I also agree with czech that there's no reason this program can't be ahead of Merrimack and company in terms of recruiting. This team might be restricted in competing with the upper-echelon, but there's no reason they ought to be a bottom-feeder at this point in time unless all the folks running the team are incapable of doing so -- the coach being one of them.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

thats weird, maybe so but watched them play sat vs mc and they tied 1-1 and played hard. tough place to play and few have had success there this year. goalie was his usual self but was alos the one who gave up 5 of first 10 fri eve.
did the etam play any less harder fri eve??

When you say the etam does not play hard it also is a direct slam to the players and their character. Which is hard to believe 20 kids looking to get more ice time would all not try on purpose.

bad season by anyones account and I am sure all are dissapointed

lets hope they all work hard and come back and right the ship

Just think, Northeastern went from a huge+ year to missing playoffs

 

[Natural Ice]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

When you say the etam does not play hard it also is a direct slam to the players and their character. Which is hard to believe 20 kids looking to get more ice time would all not try on purpose.

IMHO, and I'm not sure whether it's deliberate, but you repeatedly mischaracterize the debate on the PC thread to the point where even an objective reader such as myself, who checks-in periodically only as a fan of Rhode Island hockey in general, becomes annoyed.

Let me say first that where an individual (player, coach or someone else) has been attacked on a personal level, a defense like yours (above) may be appropriate. However, in this instance no one has been personally attacked. Performances are being critiqued. If you disagree with a critique, then offer your own, but don't paint the critique as a personal attack in order to feign offense and avoid answering it.

Further, who gives a **** that the players played hard. Not them -- they came to Providence to develop and win. Not Coach Army, either -- he came to Providence to develop players and young men and win. "But they played hard" has no place in Hockey East and with good reason because everybody plays hard. Every player in the league, every coach in the league, everybody. The team's goals include playing with maximum intensity for sixty minutes, executing a gameplan, outworking the opponent, working better together every day, winning, and growing as people off the ice. Additionally, the coaching staff has critical goals in recruiting. When any one of these goals is not being attained, a negative critique is needed. Could you give an example of what goal you saw being attained on Saturday night? The critique posed is that on Friday night, while giving up five goals in the first period to Merrimack on Senior Night after falling into last place in the league, no goals were being attained (literal or figurative). It's not personal Sonny

 

[satyking]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Hey Ice we consider him the village idiot and ignore him......if you hurt his feelings he complains and has you banned from the forum, so just join us and the people on the other HE threads and ignore his foolish posts then maybe he will move to the west to annoy folks

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

IMHO, and I'm not sure whether it's deliberate, but you repeatedly mischaracterize the debate on the PC thread to the point where even an objective reader such as myself, who checks-in periodically only as a fan of Rhode Island hockey in general, becomes annoyed.

Let me say first that where an individual (player, coach or someone else) has been attacked on a personal level, a defense like yours (above) may be appropriate. However, in this instance no one has been personally attacked. Performances are being critiqued. If you disagree with a critique, then offer your own, but don't paint the critique as a personal attack in order to feign offense and avoid answering it.

Further, who gives a **** that the players played hard. Not them -- they came to Providence to develop and win. Not Coach Army, either -- he came to Providence to develop players and young men and win. "But they played hard" has no place in Hockey East and with good reason because everybody plays hard. Every player in the league, every coach in the league, everybody. The team's goals include playing with maximum intensity for sixty minutes, executing a gameplan, outworking the opponent, working better together every day, winning, and growing as people off the ice. Additionally, the coaching staff has critical goals in recruiting. When any one of these goals is not being attained, a negative critique is needed. Could you give an example of what goal you saw being attained on Saturday night? The critique posed is that on Friday night, while giving up five goals in the first period to Merrimack on Senior Night after falling into last place in the league, no goals were being attained (literal or figurative). It's not personal Sonny

I never said it was personal Cher...

I said to claim that a team quit or showed no effort because they were down 5-0 after 1 is wrong. A great goalie gave up 5 on 10 shots. same effort the next night with his typical stellar tending produced a 1-1 tie. More shots against in 1st and game Saturday vs Friday.

the point was for all 20 players to do what you say, they character level would be pretty low. Maybe 1 or 2 who are annoyed because of line, ice etc but not a team. If that is the case, a look in the miror would be in order. What I saw friday was a solid effort and hard work. had sevral chances where they didn't convert. With Crosss and some new kids on board coupled with the kids here a year older, they are not that far off pace. To play that well vs MC at their rink is a good showing.

 

[Netman]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

I never said it was personal Cher...

I said to claim that a team quit or showed no effort because they were down 5-0 after 1 is wrong. A great goalie gave up 5 on 10 shots. same effort the next night with his typical stellar tending produced a 1-1 tie. More shots against in 1st and game Saturday vs Friday.

the point was for all 20 players to do what you say, they character level would be pretty low. Maybe 1 or 2 who are annoyed because of line, ice etc but not a team. If that is the case, a look in the miror would be in order. What I saw friday was a solid effort and hard work. had sevral chances where they didn't convert. With Crosss and some new kids on board coupled with the kids here a year older, they are not that far off pace. To play that well vs MC at their rink is a good showing.

F good showings!

-First coach in PC history to post 4 consecutive losing seasons

-9 league wins in the last 54 Hockey East games (9-36-9)

-68 goals scored this year = tied for fewest in the nation (Alabama Hunstville)

-Back-to-back last place Hockey East finishes

-Back-to-back 20 loss campaigns (3 in 5 seasons)

-2nd Half Futility:

09-10: 1 win after January 16th (1-10-3)
08-09: 1 win after January 16th (1-10-4)

-58-98-20 record at PC

-Outscored 26-3 in six total Hockey East Quarterfinal games (0-6)

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

F good showings!

-First coach in PC history to post 4 consecutive losing seasons

-9 league wins in the last 54 Hockey East games (9-36-9)

-68 goals scored this year = tied for fewest in the nation (Alabama Hunstville)

-Back-to-back last place Hockey East finishes

-Back-to-back 20 loss campaigns (3 in 5 seasons)

-2nd Half Futility:

09-10: 1 win after January 16th (1-10-3)
08-09: 1 win after January 16th (1-10-4)

-58-98-20 record at PC

-Outscored 26-3 in six total Hockey East Quarterfinal games (0-6)

Stas are like you...

The past is just that, the past. Go watch next year and be positive or buy a dog and set around and kick it.

 

[HockeyMan2000]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

The past is just that, the past. Go watch next year and be positive or buy a dog and set around and kick it.

"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" -- sage words that don't mean anything to you clearly.

Just think, Northeastern went from a huge+ year to missing playoffs

I am just spellbound by your comparisons. What does that have to do with PC hockey? Any team can come off a positive year with a negative one.

PC hasn't had any really positive year ("huge+" as you call it) under Army. Not ever. They've gone from a year that was respectable to mediocrity to now embarrassment. Two years running.

With Crosss and some new kids on board coupled with the kids here a year older, they are not that far off pace

They're the very bottom of all teams in Division 1 -- every one of them -- in offense. Right, that's not "far off place."

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Good luck....

I will root for them in the fall, wipe the slate clean and hope they convert some of the ties and close games. If they don't, such is life.

In my humble opinion they are not that far off. With their young guns a year older and some new bllod hopping on board, they might be back in the playoff hunt.

Here is hoping for that.

Have a nice summer

 

[HockeyMan2000]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

With their young guns

...and some new bllod hopping on board, they might be back in the playoff hunt.

You mean, competing for 8th place?

Wow, that would be a GREAT accomplishment indeed! I hope they can re-sign the coach again if they can pull that rabbit out of the hat...

 

[The Freds]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

The past is just that, the past. Go watch next year and be positive or buy a dog and set around and kick it.

Yeah HD, thanks for your advice. I said my goodbyes to people Friday night. I won't renew my season ticket next year. After 30 years, I'm moving on. You have set me free. I no longer have to suffer through the demise of a once proud program. I will no longer have to put up with the negative posts that these guys insist on posting. I won't have to sit through Army's 100th defeat.

Wow, I feel better already.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

lets hope not

have a nice summer

 

[Jon]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Good luck....

I will root for them in the fall, wipe the slate clean and hope they convert some of the ties and close games. If they don't, such is life. Its a game, its not Aushhowitz

Did you just compare PC hockey to the most notorious death camp in WWII!?!?!?

Now I've read everything. Geesh...

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

No I didn't. Simply said it is a game and not a serious thing at the end of the day.

www.hookedonphonics.com

spend a couple minutes on line with them and I am sure a discount will be available

 

[HockeyMan2000]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Did you just compare PC hockey to the most notorious death camp in WWII!?!?!?

Now I've read everything. Geesh...

I think he compared criticizing PC hockey with the most notorious death camp in WWII. Because if you criticize anything, you're taking things too seriously since it's just a game and need to be reminded about the Holocaust.

Funny how PC91 got banned but these kinds of comments are completely permissible here. Obviously we got the better deal out of that situation...

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

I get the fact that you have trouble reading and understanding what it means, that I get..

But try to follow along. My point was simple and very clear. I was saying, this is not a catstrophe or major issue, like an Aushowitz, it is a game. People say stuff like that all the time, I.e. keep it in perspective. You might want to try it.

Your very simple and straight forward. Negative and looking for any reason to be so. good luck to you, you sound like you will need it. Remember, negative karma out, means negative karma in.

 

[HockeyMan2000]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

But try to follow along. My point was simple and very clear. I was saying, this is not a catstrophe or major issue, like an Aushowitz, it is a game. People say stuff like that all the time, I.e. keep it in perspective. You might want to try it.

Very few people draw a comparison in sports with the Holocaust. It's beyond insulting to even think about equating one with the other.

Your very simple and straight forward. Negative and looking for any reason to be so. good luck to you, you sound like you will need it. Remember, negative karma out, means negative karma in.

I'm not a negative person at all. I am, however, realistic and honest when it comes to talking about this program. Two things you clearly are not.

If you want to keep thinking happy thoughts, popping your happy pills, and think it's all going to change next year with Tim Army at the helm of this team -- for reasons you never rationally once outline or attempt to discuss -- I'll wish you good luck. You're going to need it a lot more than I will.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Very few people draw a comparison in sports with the Holocaust. It's beyond insulting to even think about equating one with the other.



I'm not a negative person at all. I am, however, realistic and honest when it comes to talking about this program. Two things you clearly are not.

If you want to keep thinking happy thoughts, popping your happy pills, and think it's all going to change next year -- for reasons you never rationally attempt to explain -- I'll wish you good luck. You're going to need it a lot more than I will.

Please go seek a life and entertainment outside college kids hockey if that is the case.

saying that a college team losing and Aushowitz are on the exact opposite ends of the spectrum is not equating one with the other. its called keeping things in perspective. Something you are lacking in

Anyone at the PC v MC game saturday would have left satisfied that they got their monies worth. Good game and good effort bya team who had zero to play for.

 

[HockeyMan2000]

Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

saying that a college team losing and Aushowitz are on the exact opposite ends of the spectrum is not equating one with the other. its called keeping things in perspective. Something you are lacking in

Who's not putting things in perspective?

You're the one telling people that it's not the Holocaust.

I think most of us here are well aware that it's just a game. Did someone ever say it wasn't??

You just cannot accept that when a team loses, people are going to talk about the team losing. That when a coach's record is terrible, they're going to talk about it. How is it that you can't get that through your head? Those aren't opinions, they're undeniable, indisputable facts.

They came in dead last 2 years in a row. They've won 9 of 54 conference games. What in the world do you want fans to talk about? The waterboy? Gosh, that guy does a great job!! There, feel better?