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Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

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Somehow I just knew when the last 4 seasons were referenced that it was all going to end up being Tyler's fault again. :D

Interesting looking at the stats. PC's goals against is second in the league with 38, but goals for is last with 26. 26 goals is ten goals less then the next closest team.
 
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Interesting looking at the stats. PC's goals against is second in the league with 38, but goals for is last with 26. 26 goals is ten goals less then the next closest team.

Hard to win if you can't score Netman. But we've been saying that for, what, years? ;)
 
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We are waiting for young Army to provide the scoring punch and that is horrible for the kid
 
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I doubt that is the case. He will be just 1 more freshmen on a team of 25+/- players. But since you mentioned it, he has more goals then the Walin kid who is going to U Mass Lowell. On their recruiting website, they talk very highly of him and are excited to have him on board. they are on the same team and the young Army kid has more goals and the same amount of points. Go figure....

Lets focus on the strong young kids they currently have there
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

I doubt that is the case. He will be just 1 more freshmen on a team of 25+/- players. But since you mentioned it, he has more goals then the Walin kid who is going to U Mass Lowell. On their recruiting website, they talk very highly of him and are excited to have him on board. they are on the same team and the young Army kid has more goals and the same amount of points. Go figure....

Lets focus on the strong young kids they currently have there

I thought I did? :confused:
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Jonny Boy Jonny Boy

You know me Jonny Boy I don't get all hot and bothered by things.

Take this weekend men and women for the good and then get ready for the bad. The earth is returning to its natural orbit and you lose again Face it Jonny Boy you had 2 hot tenders and a whole lot of puck luck

Overall what matters unless I am not mistaken Bertagna did not arrive at your old dump and hand out championship trophies and truth be know you ain't sniffing them.

I know when push comes to shove you won't finish higher then UNH three wins or no three wins I know you won't beat NU nor BC So guess what you look to be heading up to good old Durham for a quick bounce. 4 wins in a row. You have a better chance your Mayans are right. Edit I see BU took the series from you so they are better then you too so maybe you don't even get a chance for game 4.

By the way didn't that mediocre basketball team get their butts kicked yesterday

I'd find some resources in a hurry or your whole program will be Division 3 not just your rink

By the way Jon I see you've removed the reevaluate remark....I assume it went well and you are a new man. Full or vim and vicker or whaterever and happy as a clam. Mostly likely carrying Scott Brown signs in Roslindale

*Standing ovation*
 
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I doubt that is the case. He will be just 1 more freshmen on a team of 25+/- players. But since you mentioned it, he has more goals then the Walin kid who is going to U Mass Lowell. On their recruiting website, they talk very highly of him and are excited to have him on board. they are on the same team and the young Army kid has more goals and the same amount of points. Go figure....

Lets focus on the strong young kids they currently have there

Again maybe not exactly how I would phrase it but I think again he is more on point then your quip.

Derek is a partial. Clearly he is not thought of as a stud who will be carrying this team. As noted he does compare favorably to a kid UML is very high on though I don't know how much they are "spending" on him. He might project a little better then Derek in the long run since he's slightly bigger and a year behind him. However as noted he will be one of probably closer to 30 players on the roster next year. We will have quite a few other partials and walk ons already in the system (including some who saw their first significant playing time this past weekend). Realistically he will competing for a spot on the 4th line. Net result don't expect more then a handful of points from him most likely his first couple of years. As with most partials how well he develops will be in his own hands...how much he'll do on his own in the weight room, how much he will sacrifice vs having a real college life. Essentially you need partials since you only have so much scholarship money and to fill out your roster you split it. Unless you are one of the powers you are gambling which kid has the drive to reach the next level.

The only weakness in Hokeypokey's ending phrase is that you can think concentrate on the strong young kids. Trouble is at best most have only a slightly higher ceiling then Derek. PC is a team loaded with 3rd and 4th liners

We have been for the past decade and it became painfully obvious once the Fregoe-Rask-Disalvatore class graduated and the cupboard became empty, a team devoid of legit top line talent. Pooley had given up banging heads with the big boys for talent he could not land, Army has gone head to head but has drawn a big fat blank for the type of kid who can carry your offense. Essentially you can blame Army and Hockey guy for this all you want, but I've seen the word resources bantied about. The lack of "resources" goes back to the administration and their support of athletics. Put another way no matter who was coach, Army, Pooley, McShane, Berard, or you could somehow raise the money to get a big name college rep guy, heck god almighty or even Lou Lamoriello would have a hard time making this a year in, year out competitive team.

Jon's little buddy calls Schneider a dump. Truthfully what is off on that description. Just like trying to sell your home and its a dump, trying to sell your program with nothing isn't going to cut it with the blue chip level recruit.

Obviously with the upgrade of the FOF room and trying to use it to raise money and the starting of a fund in honor of Peggy Clarke to enhance the program. However in the scheme of things that is no more then shoveling against the tide.

The only way the school improves their program is that the administration makes a true effort to properly fund the program on the level that the competition funds their programs. Ultimately it is time for them to stop "putting lipstick on a pig"
 
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The only way the school improves their program is that the administration makes a true effort to properly fund the program on the level that the competition funds their programs. Ultimately it is time for them to stop "putting lipstick on a pig"

I agree with that completely. Schneider has gone from quaint to dated to depressing in the span of the last 10-15 years. I haven't seen the FOF room since the renovation but you have to do a lot more than that to get the facility up to speed, especially considering the majority of attending fans don't have any interest in the FOF room. The building has fallen behind the times and the lack of effort and renovation speaks volumes.

I still wonder what, in the grand scheme of things, PC really has in mind for the hockey program. What kind of a priority it is. How much money they're losing annually on both the men and the women's program...

However, even in the best of situations, I think the case can be made Army is a poor coach no matter how many resources he has at his disposal. Even if the school was handling the situation right, and funding it properly, I think I've seen enough of him and the way he coaches to know he was just another bad hire. From his lack of in-game adjustments to the intermission "just for the camera" highlight speeches, he's another phony who talked his way into the job and suckered the school into giving him a sweetheart deal. So far he has proven to be completely undeserving of it, and hasn't fulfilled one promise he had when he walked in there.

That's a different matter altogether that we agree to disagree on it sounds like, but if your main point is that it's going to be hard for anyone to win there right now, I'd go along with it.
 
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Cav you are right its hard to win with 2 sets of third and forth line players on the ice, but who recruited them and who sets their style and how many have walked away from his program over the last 3 years......I really think he feels his kid will be the scoring machine we need to set up the others he feels he has now.....I feel bad for the kid and his pending college career
 
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The only weakness in Hokeypokey's ending phrase is that you can think concentrate on the strong young kids. Trouble is at best most have only a slightly higher ceiling then Derek. PC is a team loaded with 3rd and 4th liners Quote

I dont think that is the case.

Bergland, sophmore
New, sophmore
Velischek, freshmen
Rooney, freshmen
Schaller, freshmen
Beaudry, sophmore
Jamnick, freshmen

These 7 underclassmen did very well vs BU and ME and would not be 4th line on any hockey east team. Toss in
Mackinnon, O'Conner and Germain and you have pretty good top 2 or 3 lines..

They also have Adams and O'Conner coming in next year. One is an NHL draft pick currently playing in the USHL, the other is an EJHL all star, both dmen, where PC needs depth. This could give them a nice top 4 d and tending next season.

The school needs to add a few more recruits but they have a pretty good base.
 
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Some line there HD....2 Defensemen and a Goaltender I guess Beaudry is the Center....Bergland is the only one that may be a second line player, the other players you mention may have some potential but this staff can't mine that gold and have proved it for the last few years and O'Connor can't stay out of the box
 
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I agree with the assessment of the Coffin both from a players stand point as well as a fan stand point. However, having traveled throughout the league, it is not that far away from other places that are either still in use or recently left. Walter Brown Arena comes to mind as well as Matthews arena. I am looking forward to seeing the renovations tomorrow night. WBA was not much different then the coffin. The exception being a winning team put butts in the seat. The SRO crowds at the coffin made it a rocking place to play. Why where the fans there? Because it was a quality game every night. When PC starts to do that consistently then the place will fill up.


That being said it is a tough sell next to every place except Merrimack.
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Some line there HD....2 Defensemen and a Goaltender I guess Beaudry is the Center....Bergland is the only one that may be a second line player, the other players you mention may have some potential but this staff can't mine that gold and have proved it for the last few years and O'Connor can't stay out of the box

Germain, Bergland, Mckinnon
O'Conner, Schaller, Farrer

Veleschek, New, Adams, O'Conner

Beaudry

New kid Rooney is a player and has speed and grit, good depth at worst. Ferrulo is not bad recruit at F as well.



Those 6 F's did ok this weekend and they will all be back next year and some beyond.
 
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Cav you are right its hard to win with 2 sets of third and forth line players on the ice, but who recruited them and who sets their style and how many have walked away from his program over the last 3 years......

Excellent post satyking.

That latter point is the most telling of all. And there is little explanation that can be made for it.
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Cav you are right its hard to win with 2 sets of third and forth line players on the ice, but who recruited them and who sets their style and how many have walked away from his program over the last 3 years......I really think he feels his kid will be the scoring machine we need to set up the others he feels he has now.....I feel bad for the kid and his pending college career

1. Hockey recruiting is not straight forward like college basketball.. Yes he has brought these kids in. However its evolved in a couple of ways. First most teams grab a great deal of their recruiting class early. That makes transitions difficult since it puts you behind the curve. Its also more difficult when you want to do a 180 from the defensive style of Pooley to his "uptempo style". Second part of this is you don't want to overspend and if you can't get blue chippers you do split more scholarships. (By the way I'm not even going to say Army hasn't overspent--see Eppich and Kremyr--but we have seemed to gotten a bit away from that. So bottom line is we are not getting his first choice he is gong with Plan B or C.

2. I think its clear he is moving back, however reluctantly, to the more defensive Pooley style since it is easier to recruit defensemen and goalies So unfortunately he is adapting, trouble is we may soon back to dump and retreat.

3. I've been told by some people that he is cognizant of his son's limits so its not likely he expects him to be the sniper and in fact pretty much figures he will be a 4th liner first year to adapt. That he may once experienced move him up is a bridge that will have to be crossed in a couple of years. That is possible I guess its like how you want to pronounce tomato. What difference does it matter which true 3rd 4th liner he puts on the top 2 lines to fill them out because he does not have enough.

4. It very well might be a situation that is problematic. However based on what I know of Army I don't think he can deal with losing and he'll look for other options. So let events take their course.
 
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The only weakness in Hokeypokey's ending phrase is that you can think concentrate on the strong young kids. Trouble is at best most have only a slightly higher ceiling then Derek. PC is a team loaded with 3rd and 4th liners Quote

I dont think that is the case.

Bergland, sophmore
New, sophmore
Velischek, freshmen
Rooney, freshmen
Schaller, freshmen
Beaudry, sophmore
Jamnick, freshmen

These 7 underclassmen did very well vs BU and ME and would not be 4th line on any hockey east team. Toss in
Mackinnon, O'Conner and Germain and you have pretty good top 2 or 3 lines..

They also have Adams and O'Conner coming in next year. One is an NHL draft pick currently playing in the USHL, the other is an EJHL all star, both dmen, where PC needs depth. This could give them a nice top 4 d and tending next season.

The school needs to add a few more recruits but they have a pretty good base.

Hey Hokey I would argue too much with what I say. I'm the first person on this thread that even gave your words any credence.

First of all all 7 didn't play vs Maine and BU. Rooney was benched for the stupid HAW penalty vs BC

Second Brice O'Connor will be a nice addition but by no means think he will be an all star. Ferullo was an all star also. Bottom line look at the all star teams they really tend to go with the kids they are show casing for the league to boost about their getting kids in college. O'Connor is going to be an overage freshman. There very much is a ceiling with him. I suspect Army builds that top 4 d by converting Eppich's full boat into a defenseman and turning Smith's partial into the 3rd forward

Next remember Velischek was manner from heaven we don't get him if Randy was not one of the greatest Friars of all time. He is the exception not the rule.

Yes you have 4 forwards. Don't count Rooney no matter what you say. he's an overage freshmen, his role is to grind on the bottom lines and set a tempo for the big lines. Of the 4 Jamnick and Schaller were both brought early to avoid them "blowing up" and heading off to a big time school. They need to grow into the role. They are not born into it. By the time they are ready MacKinnon is ready and its taken him 2 years to look like a consistent offensive threat.

I'll go one step further and even say Landman seems to have the skills if matched with the right players to be able to step up in a year or two.

Just don't mistake these kids for the blue chippers at BU and BC. Note on list how many draftees they have and how many we have.
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

I agree with the assessment of the Coffin both from a players stand point as well as a fan stand point. However, having traveled throughout the league, it is not that far away from other places that are either still in use or recently left. Walter Brown Arena comes to mind as well as Matthews arena. I am looking forward to seeing the renovations tomorrow night. WBA was not much different then the coffin. The exception being a winning team put butts in the seat. The SRO crowds at the coffin made it a rocking place to play. Why where the fans there? Because it was a quality game every night. When PC starts to do that consistently then the place will fill up.


That being said it is a tough sell next to every place except Merrimack.

Obviously with that last line you realize there is a problem.

Also it seems a bulk of your argument is built around WBA which is now a practice/women's rink. 2 points. One Hockey means something to BU so they did not let the team slip into oblivion, second it had ended its useful life. I was actually going to use this as part of a response to HM on his reply a bit down the line. Another example is that now that UVM is in Hockey East the realization is the Gutt is past its days and a new arena will come on board. If you want to compete you have to keep up with the competition.

Matthews has a charm because of its history and the fact the guts of that building were built to last. Schneider is cement and steel put together to get us through till we could upgrade. Trouble is that time has come and gone.
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 What is in the glass?

Germain, Bergland, Mckinnon
O'Conner, Schaller, Farrer

Veleschek, New, Adams, O'Conner

Beaudry

New kid Rooney is a player and has speed and grit, good depth at worst. Ferrulo is not bad recruit at F as well.



Those 6 F's did ok this weekend and they will all be back next year and some beyond.

I like Farrer, wish Deraney had the money to have brought his sister in instead of letting her go to Brown because she also has his grit.

That said the kid makes Tony Zancanaro look like a sniper.

Germain is a smart player, gritty etc, but he's a very overage kid he just the best we have to compliment our best scorers. Worse all our eggs are in one basket.
 
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That latter point is the most telling of all. And there is little explanation that can be made for it.

In the hockey world he may be playing with fire. The trend is very prevelent in college basketball, you send a message to kids you want out and usually they get. The difference is there are about 350 D1 college basketball teams. There are 58 college and its a much tighter world.

Still you strive to upgrade. You take players when they are available to fill your needs. If they don't work out the ideal way is you get them to leave rather then have then not contribute (such as for example Eppich or Simpson)Scholarships are valuable commodites. You weren't around in Lou's rebuilding days. He went through many players to build his roster and he had one weapon Army does not have. In those days with tution much cheaper the school would buy out scholarships. That was how Lou found money to get Brian Burke for instance. Remove one borderline player so you can bring in another and in Burke's case his desire proved valuable as he improved and contributed.

The only player I'd look at as a disappointment that he left so early was Aneloski. That though might be the price of getting a kid in a year too early. They are so use to success not getting immediately disillusions them.

Lavin the choice is would you want him or Beaudry. We needed a goalie and we needed a scholarship. It forced the issue. Smith is a borderline D1 player, he didn't show enough and the handwriting appears to have been on the wall. The goal is to get a full boat guy in, Harvey has passed him on the depth chart. Time to move on.

Mayer was a unique case as I've said down below we have been forced to split more scholarships then Pooley did. Mayer fit nicely since many of the partials are built with financial packages that cover a year or two. Mayer would not have qualified for those so they made him a front end 2 for 4. If he had stayed he was essentially a walk on and his play gave them no incentive to find the back end of a scholarship.

It may be a very pro thing or as I said college basketball thing but when you are trying to rebuild you constantly work to make yourself better. As I said I suspect this is advice from Lou based on his experience.

I suspect there are at least 2 other players on this team Army would like to take the hint and leave so he can balance things position wise and class wise as well as bring more to the talent table.
 
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