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Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

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To be fair, this is the guy who said he didnt think ***** grabbing constituted sexual assault...

53% of white women didn't think so either.
 
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From what I've read, it looks like Trinity Lutheran v. Comer might wind up with a 7-2 majority striking it down. I'm guessing it will be a narrow ruling: if state funds are to be used for a purely secular purpose, the state cannot deny them to a religious entity merely because it is religious, if they are eligible to receive said funds in all other respects.



at the Supreme Court on Wednesday as the Justices heard arguments in a case about whether Missouri could bar a church from a playground-resurfacing program merely because it’s a church.... Discrimination against the church is a “clear burden on a constitutional right,” Justice Elena Kagan said, because “people of a certain religious status are being prevented from competing in the same way everybody else is for a neutral benefit.”

Columbia, Missouri-based Trinity Lutheran Church wanted to participate in a state program that reimburses groups or schools that want to resurface their playgrounds with rubber tire mulch to make them safer. Though the program is secular and serves a routine public purpose, the state ... claim[ed that] no public playground money could flow to a religious institution.

“There’s a constitutional principle. It’s as strong as any constitutional principle that there is,” Justice Kagan continued, “that when we have a program of funding—and here we’re funding playground surfaces—that everybody is entitled” to that funding “whether or not they are a religious institution doing religious things.”
 
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From what I've read, it looks like Trinity Lutheran v. Comer might wind up with a 7-2 majority striking it down. I'm guessing it will be a narrow ruling: if state funds are to be used for a purely secular purpose, the state cannot deny them to a religious entity merely because it is religious, if they are eligible to receive said funds in all other respects.

I'm a godless heathen, and I don't see a problem with a church applying for and receiving a government grant to make their playground safer so long as the playground is open for community use. I don't even have a problem if a church applied for and received a grant to install energy efficient LED lighting, since as a society we benefit if we are all more energy efficient and burn less natural gas or coal to generate electricity.

doesn't seem to be "establishment" to me so long as all groups are eligible for said funds even the Muslims!!
 
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I'm a godless heathen, and I don't see a problem with a church applying for and receiving a government grant to make their playground safer so long as the playground is open for community use. I don't even have a problem if a church applied for and received a grant to install energy efficient LED lighting, since as a society we benefit if we are all more energy efficient and burn less natural gas or coal to generate electricity.

doesn't seem to be "establishment" to me so long as all groups are eligible for said funds even the Muslims!!

I guess the biggest issue I have is where do you begin to draw the line then?
 
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I guess the biggest issue I have is where do you begin to draw the line then?

I think the line becomes how public the use is. If it is church use only or contained within the church then no. If it is a park or playground open to the public...then yes.
 
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I'm just not a fan. If it were a Scientology playground, I'd rather not have children exposed to Scientology making it seem more favorable at an age when kids are fairly impressionable.
 
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I'm just not a fan. If it were a Scientology playground, I'd rather not have children exposed to Scientology making it seem more favorable at an age when kids are fairly impressionable.

Just have a mosque apply.

The end.
 
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Probably right. Remember what happened with the mosque at "ground zero"?
 
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I'm just not a fan. If it were a Scientology playground, I'd rather not have children exposed to Scientology making it seem more favorable at an age when kids are fairly impressionable.

Even the children of Scientologists have the right to safe playgrounds.

The public money is being given for safer playgrounds for kids. It is not in any way promoting any religion. Denying the money on the basis that it is a religious institution is unconstitutional.
 
Even the children of Scientologists have the right to safe playgrounds.

The public money is being given for safer playgrounds for kids. It is not in any way promoting any religion. Denying the money on the basis that it is a religious institution is unconstitutional.

Replace church with Planned Parenthood. Somehow it's ok to deny them otherwise general use funds because they engage in a constitutionally protected activity.
 
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That's actually a pretty good point.
 
Replace church with Planned Parenthood. Somehow it's ok to deny them otherwise general use funds because they engage in a constitutionally protected activity.

At one time Congress denied funds to tobacco growers.

Since Congress controls the purse strings they can do pretty much anything they can get away with.
 
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Replace church with Planned Parenthood. Somehow it's ok to deny them otherwise general use funds because they engage in a constitutionally protected activity.

I don't agree with defunding PP, but it's not the same thing. You're denying the playground money on the basis of religion. You are not denying PP funding on the basis of any protected class.

I probably didn't word this correctly.
 
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Yeah, I don't think you did. Because we deny all sorts of stuff on the basis of religion.
 
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PP is being denied funding explicitly because of religious beliefs.
 
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PP is being denied funding explicitly because of religious beliefs.

While the vast majority of Pro-Lifers are religious, there are atheists that are Pro-Life, just as there are religious people who are Pro-Choice. So, it is not exclusively a religious belief.
 
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