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POTUS: It Can Happen Here Again

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Rover, likewise respectfully, the urgency just makes it that much more important to find the strategy that will allow us to win elections in double figures, not trade 50/50 results for another decade. I think the decisive Nazi threat to civilization and even life on Earth strengthens my argument.

Blaming the customer is no way to run a store. You can say everybody has to vote -- of course they do! But if they're not buying our product that's on us, not them. The way to bring more people into the store is to broaden the inventory and start selling stuff which maybe you personally find distasteful but for which there is a market. Right now 40% of the country walks past both stores. We need some of that action. We need new products.

I have some! :)
 
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Rover said:
Gotta respectfully disagree here Kep. What we need to be telling people is you're either on the side of the Allies or the Nazis.
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I am fully aware that Hillary lost for other reasons, but how well did that work out for her?

The problem is the Dems don't have one candidate that screams to anyone on the fence, "I love that guy/gal!!", and another run on "don't be deplorable" is a failed recipe.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I am fully aware that Hillary lost for other reasons, but how well did that work out for her?

The problem is the Dems don't have one candidate that screams to anyone on the fence, "I love that guy/gal!!", and another run on "don't be deplorable" is a failed recipe.
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Nobody is "on the fence." There is no fence. It's a wedge and the top is a razor bade. People fall on one side or the other and there's no switching.

Meanwhile, if you count non-voting registered voters as "None of the Above," that would have won every election since Reagan. That's where you look for votes. You do not drive to the middle if you want to win. That has been the lesson of the Republicans' success for the last 40 years in which they have ruled more than half the time despite being a minority of the electorate.
 
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Kepler said:
Nobody is "on the fence." There is no fence. It's a wedge and the top is a razor bade. People fall on one side or the other and there's no switching.

Meanwhile, if you count non-voting registered voters as "None of the Above," that would have won every election since Reagan. That's where you look for votes. You do not drive to the middle if you want to win. That has been the lesson of the Republicans' success for the last 40 years in which they have ruled more than half the time despite being a minority of the electorate.
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"On the fence" isn't limited to the supposedly select few that don't vote only D or R in every Presidential election. If they're registered yet not participating (as per your 'non-voting registered voters' designation) they're on the fence with respect to getting into the game at all. Even if you disagree do you really believe the way to appeal and draw them is by adopting Rover's approach of forcing everyone to identify themselves as either an Ally or a Nazi?
 
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Slap Shot said:
"On the fence" isn't limited to the supposedly select few that don't vote only D or R in every Presidential election. If they're registered yet not participating (as per your 'non-voting registered voters' designation) they're on the fence with respect to getting into the game at all. Even if you disagree do you really believe the way to appeal and draw them is by adopting Rover's approach of forcing everyone to identify themselves as either an Ally or a Nazi?
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Rover would say the registered non-voters are "on the couch." :)

I would say they're "bent over retching." No, the way to get them to vote is to give them something to vote for, not against. Everybody who can figure out the right is a full blown fascist party has already figured it out. These people who we should be trying to reach are actually not worried about fascism. BTW, they aren't nice people. They are our potential Dumpies. They don't give a sh-t about the rule of law or they'd already be liberals. Indeed, they aren't liberal. They don't give two sh-ts about blacks or women or, if they do, it's probably the wrong direction. They're people of the land. You know... morons.

They do care about the fact that billionaires run all our politics and regular people get no say. So... want to win elections? At least tell them we're going to kick the (((billionaires))) down the well.

I mean, I recommend we then go and do it, for a better world, but in any case we need to treat them the way R treats their Christian right. Indulge their idiocies and milk their votes.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Bolton:<br>1) Nobody cares<br>2) The aid was delivered<br>3) The Ukrainians aren’t victims (just ask them)<br>4) The Democrats’ corruption in Ukraine is real<br>5) Nobody cares</p>— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) <a href="https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1221617314044485632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good summary for the lost 40% of the country. Everyone just stop right now trying to talk to these morons. You know if they're lost. I have family members like that.
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Who else thought the tweet was parody until they read who wrote it?
 
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Slap Shot said:
The problem is the Dems don't have one candidate that screams to anyone on the fence, "I love that guy/gal!!", and another run on "don't be deplorable" is a failed recipe.
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mookie's aunt dorothy loved adalai :D
 
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I can see enough R senators voting to call Bolton as a witness but only him and hearing him give the Ds a little but take away more, giving Rs even more to crow about. Trusting him is like sleeping with a pit viper.

Still, Ds have to go there.
 
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Think you guys are misreading what I'm saying. There are very few voters "on the fence". The problem is GOP voters are a monolithic cult driven to vote primary based on racism or to screw over someone that they hate. The left on the other hand, whether they be conservaDems, mods, progressives or socialists, have not matched that intensity. Republicans will vote for any excrement the party craps out. Up and down the ballot. Dems do not. If there's perhaps one positive of the Chump Presidency, it could be that people not in the cult start taking elections seriously again. The cult does, that's for sure.

Regarding the "we gotta give them a reason to vote", you know what - if they can't figure out the stakes by this point, fuk em. They get what's coming. As I've often said arguing with far lefties out here, people are under the mistaken assumption that the status quo is as bad as its going to get. Elect Trump and a GOP congress in 2020 and the status quo is going to look like the good old days before he's done. Unlike Kep, I have no desire to save people from themselves. Either oppose Nazis when it can still make a difference, or live under their rules. Chump's ridiculous administration has not affected me personally one bit, and I'm most likely benefitting from loads of stock awards worth more money than you want to hear about. Yet I still want the guy out with every fiber in my body. If you ARE getting screwed by the guy, and you STILL can't be bothered to vote, then take it in the shorts. Its not any more complicated than that.
 
Rover said:
Think you guys are misreading what I'm saying. There are very few voters "on the fence". The problem is GOP voters are a monolithic cult driven to vote primary based on racism or to screw over someone that they hate. The left on the other hand, whether they be conservaDems, mods, progressives or socialists, have not matched that intensity. Republicans will vote for any excrement the party craps out. Up and down the ballot. Dems do not. If there's perhaps one positive of the Chump Presidency, it could be that people not in the cult start taking elections seriously again. The cult does, that's for sure.

Regarding the "we gotta give them a reason to vote", you know what - if they can't figure out the stakes by this point, fuk em. They get what's coming. As I've often said arguing with far lefties out here, people are under the mistaken assumption that the status quo is as bad as its going to get. Elect Trump and a GOP congress in 2020 and the status quo is going to look like the good old days before he's done. Unlike Kep, I have no desire to save people from themselves. Either oppose Nazis when it can still make a difference, or live under their rules. Chump's ridiculous administration has not affected me personally one bit, and I'm most likely benefitting from loads of stock awards worth more money than you want to hear about. Yet I still want the guy out with every fiber in my body. If you ARE getting screwed by the guy, and you STILL can't be bothered to vote, then take it in the shorts. Its not any more complicated than that.
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I think there is a decent percentage, 20% or something like that, who is sick of both parties. Trump(and really the Republican Party overall) being bad doesnt make the Dems good. There has to be a strategy longer term than just ‘we’re not Trump.’
 
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Kepler said:
Long but excellent read on Dump and the Thumpers.
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It's one thing when the president understands what these evangelicals are talking about but with trump it is even worse, since he is clueless about so many things, evangelical Christianity being one of them. Reagan and "W" DIDN'T blow up the world misinterpreting an infestation of locusts for an actual biblical plague, but trump might. Every day I marvel at just how unfit trump is to be a member of the same human race I belong to let alone be president, but even more I marvel at how 60,000,000 voting Americans could be so go d dam n blind.
 
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Drew S. said:
I think there is a decent percentage, 20% or something like that, who is sick of both parties. Trump(and really the Republican Party overall) being bad doesnt make the Dems good. There has to be a strategy longer term than just ‘we’re not Trump.’
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Whenever I come across one of these people I ask them (as politely as I'm capable of) why they consider both parties to be equally as bad. Most of the time, after they get over the shock that I don't consider them to be some sort of intellectual because they blather both sides do it nonsense, they eventually admit that yeah, Republicans are much, much worse. If they can't admit that then they're useless. Libertarians, for example. ;)

A lot of inspiring people to vote is knocking down absurd myths that persist in some corners of the electorate for no logical reason. "Republicans are good with the budget". "Dems will raise your taxes". "Republicans are more moral". "There's not a dime's worth of difference between both sides". There's no harm in asking people to think about the things they mindlessly take for granted.
 
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Drew S. said:
Trump(and really the Republican Party overall) being bad doesnt make the Dems good. There has to be a strategy longer term than just ‘we’re not Trump.’
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There does, although the comparison here is not "bad" vs "bad." The Dems taste bad. The GOP is actual poison.

And for that matter the Dems are only "bad" insofar as they move towards the GOP in snuggling up to Plutes, using the military as Viagra, and raping the environment for short term profits.
 
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Drew S. said:
I think there is a decent percentage, 20% or something like that, who is sick of both parties. Trump(and really the Republican Party overall) being bad doesnt make the Dems good. There has to be a strategy longer term than just ‘we’re not Trump.’
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Not buying it. There are a host of D candidates advocating specific policies. Bothsideism is, in my experience, just a rationale for people who prefer to keep trump in office, partly because they are on the wrong side of history and are afraid of change.

And are, as Kep pointed out, willing to completely ignore the degree of bad at issue.
 
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burd said:
Not buying it. There are a host of D candidates advocating specific policies. Bothsideism is, in my experience, just a rationale for people who prefer to keep trump in office, partly because they are on the wrong side of history and are afraid of change.
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This.
 
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