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POTUS: He's A Witch!

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Ousted Navy chief: Trump's action sends message 'you can get away with things'

Trump administration to appeal ruling over former WH counsel McGahn testimony. So transparent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russia invaded Ukraine, stole Crimea, and continues to murder Ukrainians in Putin’s war on its soil<br><br>Tucker Carlson announces he’s rooting for Russia.<br><br>Team Putin-Trump in action... <a href="https://t.co/CDCNfDCrVO">https://t.co/CDCNfDCrVO</a></p>— Alexandra Chalupa (@AlexandraChalup) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexandraChalup/status/1199149711833403392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tucker please go play in traffic.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No one's on any ledges. Every political norm has been changed in the last 3 years. Thinking another one could change is not crazy, it's acknowledging a pattern.
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"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
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They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-1945
 
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Slap Shot said:
Ousted Navy chief: Trump's action sends message 'you can get away with things'

Trump administration to appeal ruling over former WH counsel McGahn testimony. So transparent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russia invaded Ukraine, stole Crimea, and continues to murder Ukrainians in Putin’s war on its soil<br><br>Tucker Carlson announces he’s rooting for Russia.<br><br>Team Putin-Trump in action... <a href="https://t.co/CDCNfDCrVO">https://t.co/CDCNfDCrVO</a></p>— Alexandra Chalupa (@AlexandraChalup) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexandraChalup/status/1199149711833403392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tucker please go play in traffic.
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He was just joking. Seriously.
 
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First Time said:
It is crazy. This country isn't falling into a coup. And if one was attempted...it isn't happening without a fight.
So as usual...it's Chicken Little.
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While not exactly a coup, 2016 happened and there wasn't much of a fight put up. We just let the Russian's influence the election and rolled with the results.
 
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Some cheesecake for mookie

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jerphisch said:
While not exactly a coup, 2016 happened and there wasn't much of a fight put up. We just let the Russian's influence the election and rolled with the results.
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Here's the thing, it isnt straight up vote tampering that influenced the election. It was the psychological subtleties by planting false stories, creating just enough doubt.

This isn't the brute force CIA "topple a Central American dictator to instill our will" elections. This was "plant just enough doubt *everywhere*" to create confusion. And now Putin is playing with house money because someone who "has never met Putin, but somehow tied to so much Russian businesses that also works with Putin" that no one cares.


Like if the Hunter Biden story was such an issue, why wasn't it investigated from 2016 to 2018? Why is there zero details about Uranium One anymore? There is so much scattershot from this administration that Dick Cheney is refusing to go hunting with Trump...
 
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jerphisch said:
While not exactly a coup, 2016 happened and there wasn't much of a fight put up. We just let the Russian's influence the election and rolled with the results.
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Yes, and let's not forget that Turtle Boy insisted on keeping it a secret and our centrist President was more than happy to make the turtle happy.
 
jerphisch said:
While not exactly a coup, 2016 happened and there wasn't much of a fight put up. We just let the Russian's influence the election and rolled with the results.
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And some are now fighting that. A full blown coup will not happen here. I'd stake my life on that.
 
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I would not expect an explicit single party coup like the Nazis in 1933. I would expect all the institutions will remain formally in place and roughly look the same, but the real power will have moved to a different focus, like Augustus in 30 BC.

One should however keep this in mind:

Both within Germany and abroad initially there were few fears that Hitler could use his position to establish his later dictatorial single-party regime. Rather, the conservatives that helped to make him chancellor were convinced that they could control Hitler and "tame" the Nazi Party while setting the relevant impulses in the government themselves; foreign ambassadors played down worries by emphasizing that Hitler was "mediocre" if not a bad copy of Mussolini; even SPD politician Kurt Schumacher trivialized Hitler as a "Dekorationsstück" ("piece of scenery/decoration") of the new government. German newspapers wrote that, without doubt, the Hitler-led government would try to fight its political enemies (the left-wing parties), but that it would be impossible to establish a dictatorship in Germany because there was "a barrier, over which violence cannot proceed" and because of the German nation being proud of "the freedom of speech and thought". Theodor Wolff of Frankfurter Zeitung wrote:

It is a hopeless misjudgement to think that one could force a dictatorial regime upon the German nation. [...] The diversity of the German people calls for democracy.

— Theodor Wolff in Frankfurter Zeitung, Jan 1933
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We're already seeing subversion of our political democracy by billionaires and large corporations. Unless we restore an active regulatory state with real teeth that is the direction that an existential threat to democracy will come from. With Rome it was the army. With us it's the rich.

We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.

— Louis D. Brandeis
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Not to pick on Scooby, but his profile out here (I have no idea what he's like in real life as I've never met the man) is typical of a subset of people who like to be victims. Why that is I couldn't tell you, but they're always trying to find a way to lose, or to show the deck is stacked against them, blah blah blah. People with this mindset also tend to easily buy into conspiracy theories. I grew up in a place like this, and from that observation I can tell you its not the way to go as that area has been running in place or declining for the last 60 years if not more.

Personally, I'm just having trouble with the notion that Donald Trump is some sort of all powerful super villain that can't be defeated, as opposed to a top notch con artist who's luck appears to be running out which is what happens to most con artists (Madoff, Ponzi, etc).
 
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aparch said:
Here's the thing, it isnt straight up vote tampering that influenced the election. It was the psychological subtleties by planting false stories, creating just enough doubt.

This isn't the brute force CIA "topple a Central American dictator to instill our will" elections. This was "plant just enough doubt *everywhere*" to create confusion. And now Putin is playing with house money because someone who "has never met Putin, but somehow tied to so much Russian businesses that also works with Putin" that no one cares.


Like if the Hunter Biden story was such an issue, why wasn't it investigated from 2016 to 2018? Why is there zero details about Uranium One anymore? There is so much scattershot from this administration that Dick Cheney is refusing to go hunting with Trump...
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We know that Russia targeted voting systems in all 50 states. A bi-partisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee even told us that “Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data” in Illinois. We know that Republicans are doing everything they can to PREVENT any upgrades to the current system. Again, not quite a coup, but the R's sure seem to be ok with a takeover of the government by means other than open honest elections.
 
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