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POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed

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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't get how that works. Medicaid was massively expanded for those Governors that took the money. Many Republicans did. Some did not. That costs money. Pre-Existing conditions cost money. Kids on parents insurance until 26 costs money.

Repealing eliminates all that and the stuff that pays for that. They want to keep all that "good stuff" and NOT pay for it. It's ****ing mind boggling.

AND I'M SOMEONE who hates the law because it's cost me a lot of money. A lot. So, what I want to happen is I want them to repeal the whole thing and let the people who voted for Trump suffer. Cause that's what they deserve.
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i would think kids on parents insurance until 26 actually saves money, since that is about the healthiest demographic there is. We want those kids on insurance rolls.
 
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unofan said:
i would think kids on parents insurance until 26 actually saves money, since that is about the healthiest demographic there is. We want those kids on insurance rolls.
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Doesn't offset the massive expense of Medicaid and Pre-Existing conditions. Those two make Medicare sound cheap.
 
Kepler said:
Yeah, but they took different things for granted. The folks in 1877 were happy if they got through the day without a rattlesnake bite or contracting gonorrhea from, um, a toilet seat -- yeah that's the ticket (except they didn't have toilet seats -- SUPER HARD CORE!!!), so does that mean the folks in 1957 were spoiled p-ssies?

I do not believe people ever change. Take 20k guys from 4000 BC Sumeria and dump them in Barstow and a month later they'll be at the mall hassling the poor Dairy Queen girl.
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That's certainly true as far as material things go. What I was trying to get at though was that in 1957 only 12 years had passed since the future of our country and the entire world was up in the air. People all along the entire class/intelligence spectrum had more interest in what was happening because of what they had just gone through. I might be completely wrong but that is why I think there is less interest in current affairs now than there might have been in the past.
 
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unofan said:
i would think kids on parents insurance until 26 actually saves money, since that is about the healthiest demographic there is. We want those kids on insurance rolls.
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Yes, but they need to be paying in as well, for the financial benefits of the expanded pool to be achieved, not just piggybacking on their parents' policies. .
 
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rufus said:
Well here's an upgrade. Fox is replacing Megyn Kelly with Tucker Carlson. That's gonna draw the viewers.
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Actually, if you look at conservative trends, it may actually do that. One common saying going around is "You can't cuck the Tuck".
 
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Kepler said:
Just wait until Trump signs an executive order pumping InfoWars into every home 24/7, with no off switch.
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I find it funny that you take Chinese-style censorship, which globalists are actually doing through mainstream media, and then portray it on a group you don't like with absolutely zero backing of your claims. Hate to tell you this, Kep, but finger pointing is SO 2016.
 
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I was trapped in a vehicle this morning with someone who listens to Glen Beck (their car, their radio, shrug). I hate to say it, but Beck actually made some sense this morning. (I'll shower later.)

He pointed out how eight years ago Hollywood was swearing undying allegiance to the President and the other side was bound and determined to use Congress to thwart that extra-Constitutional communist. Today Hollywood is calling on Congress to thwart that extra-Constitutional fascist and the other side is swearing undying allegiance to the President. (He had the audio clips to back up his Hollywood claims for both eras.)

He went on to point out in other ways how the rhetoric is all the same but turned inside out. He also did some self- pat on the back -ing with his past statements about not allowing too much power to accumulate in one place because "your side" may not always have all that power. I looked for his monologue to be posted online so I could listen again, but it's not up yet.
 
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Took a look at who my local rep was, saw a link to see bills he sponsored or co-sponsored, and then found the Congress.gov link for every bill the 115th Congress has introduced.

Quite interested in:
- HR34 - Repeal of the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1990 and all amendments.
- HR43 - To amend Title 38 of the US Code to authorize use of Post 9/11 Educational Assistance for independent study programs at institutions not of higher learning.
- HR49 - Direct Dept of Interior to establish a competitive oil/gas lease program.
- HR54 - Direct Dept of Homeland Security to study establishing a Civilian Cyber Defense National Resource.
- HR80 - Suspend admissions of refugees.
- HR81 - Suspend and terminate admission of refugees.
- HR83 - Prohibit federal funds from being used within Sanctuary Cities.
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And a whole lot of amendments to the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
Especially HR198 - Repeal federal estate and gift taxes.

Weeeeeeeeee!!!!! Fun times ahead!!
 
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Sicatoka - the problem with Beck's comparison is the Grand Canyon sized gap between who is being lauded and condemned. It's not apples to apples and I would never expect Beck to be honest enough to flesh that out.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Sicatoka - the problem with Beck's comparison is the Grand Canyon sized gap between who is being lauded and condemned. It's not apples to apples and I would never expect Beck to be honest enough to flesh that out.
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Actually, he did:
He talked about how the "other side" is always power-hungry demons out for the ruin of everyone "not them" but especially "your side" (aka the underdog on the side of the angels).

He pointed out how it's now all about people and personality (Obama, Trump) instead of Constitutional principles (checks and balances, prevention of accumulation of power).

He mentioned how back in the day some wanted to appoint Washington "king" and how "GW, The Original" said no one should serve more than two terms. Someone, anyone, with a straight face dare to tell me that either Obama or Trump would turn down kingship if offered.
 
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Drew S. said:
That's certainly true as far as material things go. What I was trying to get at though was that in 1957 only 12 years had passed since the future of our country and the entire world was up in the air. People all along the entire class/intelligence spectrum had more interest in what was happening because of what they had just gone through. I might be completely wrong but that is why I think there is less interest in current affairs now than there might have been in the past.
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I think you do have a point. Another thing is that everybody from all walks of life fought that war, not just the underclass. All the guys from that era had stories of being in basic training with thousands f other randomly chosen guys, most of whom were completely unlike them. That forged bonds and made it easier for them to walk in the other guy's shoes when then got home and were in political or economic negotiations. The Ruling Class dominates by dividing, and those guys were not as easily divided from one another. Also they had seen war and horror, and they were not as cavalier throwing around social Darwinist nonsense.

My point is it isn't the people but their biographies that are different. The people themselves are the same model that's been rolling out of the factory for 100,000 years.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Someone, anyone, with a straight face dare to tell me that either Obama or Trump would turn down kingship if offered.
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Obama would turn it down. I have a straight face with no difficulty.

It's a false comparison. Trump's opponents are using this rhetoric because in electing Trump the US has normalized a piece of human filth. Obama's opponents used apocalyptic language because they were partisans or morons.
 
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Kepler said:
The Ruling Class dominates by dividing ...
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You're channeling Alex Jones again. ;) :)

Kepler said:
My point is it isn't the people but their biographies that are different.
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Undoubtedly. You're pointing to the WWII "alignment". Heck, I'll say even media was an aligner for a while. Not that long ago it was three TV networks plus PBS. That's it. You watched Walter Crankcase or David Wrinkley. Everyone watched M*A*S*H. The social conscience of the country met Sundays after 60 Minutes on "All In The Family" (Norman Lear's masterpiece). Even those media (trivialities?) aligned folks.

Today, with all the options, vast segments of the "biographies" have no cross-over points.
 
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Kepler said:
Obama would turn it down. I have a straight face with no difficulty.

It's a false comparison. Trump's opponents are using this rhetoric because in electing Trump the US has normalized a piece of human filth. Obama's opponents used apocalyptic language because they were partisans or morons.
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Obama wouldn't turn it down. Given he accepted head of the UN Security Council, which is unconstitutional.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Actually, he did:
He talked about how the "other side" is always power-hungry demons out for the ruin of everyone "not them" but especially "your side" (aka the underdog on the side of the angels).

He pointed out how it's now all about people and personality (Obama, Trump) instead of Constitutional principles (checks and balances, prevention of accumulation of power).

He mentioned how back in the day some wanted to appoint Washington "king" and how "GW, The Original" said no one should serve more than two terms. Someone, anyone, with a straight face dare to tell me that either Obama or Trump would turn down kingship if offered.
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I believe that was John Adams who wanted the President to serve a life term, and to use royal titles in addressing said office.
 
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Kepler said:
Obama would turn it down. I have a straight face with no difficulty.

It's a false comparison. Trump's opponents are using this rhetoric because in electing Trump the US has normalized a piece of human filth. Obama's opponents used apocalyptic language because they were partisans or morons.
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ROTFLMFAO. Obama would take it in a minute. He was sure he'd beat Trump if he ran. He wants to keep the job.


"The new guy is going to take away our rights* and lock up people that don't believe what he believes. And he's **-ist filth!" -- 2008 or 2016?

As you said, all this is being put out there, then, now, to "dominates by dividing". All the "change the adjectives and names" (see above) to the current era rhetoric is doing is just that.


*guns circa 2008 or flag burning circa 2016
** communist circa 2008 or fascist circa 2016
 
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