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POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

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Rover said:
He seems more like a guy who'll enjoy sending the military on a bunch of new "adventures" while letting corporations do as they please.
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I could be wrong, but of all the awful crap I expect Trump to pull, expanding the mission of the warfare state is not among them. I get that he himself lacks the rudimentary intellect to sustain a coherent foreign policy view, but the people he likes to quote the most are Buchanan "Fortress Amerika" types. Also, realtors don't typically use the military as a taxpayer-funded negotiation arm the way extractive industries do. American kids die for Exxon and Dole Fruit, not golf courses or diploma scams.

We might even see the US pull out of some of our ubiquitous Imperial Storm Trooper bases. Trump seems to grasp that they're just corporate welfare, and he has little interest in propping that up when it's not his corporation.

Never let a crisis go to waste. If Trump stumbles into repealing the Empire, his successor may find it easier to then expose that the military is just a gigantic nationalized jobs program.

I mean, assuming The Company doesn't JFK him first.
 
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Kepler said:
Thanks to all the Trump voters for normalizing this sh-t.
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I don't think it's just those who voted for him. He had a lot of soft support from people who would not come out and declare due to his obvious deficiencies but who gave wings to a lot of criticism of Clinton based on fictitious information and fear. Many of those soft supporters are emboldened now, which is distressing on a whole 'nother level.
 
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So, Pelosi holds on to her House minority leader position.

Or, put another way, the Democrats are tone deaf to what happened in the "blue wall" and kept going on with business as usual. Tim Ryan (D - OH) would've been some acknowledgement to the group that put Trump in the White House (WI, MI, PA blue collar workers) that they are not forgotten by the Ds.

Then again, if Tim Ryan made a move for heading up the DNC that might be even better for the Ds.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm gonna take a wild guess at this guy's party affiliation...
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Good call. On the surface you'd generally think "Public School Administrator in a 70% Democrat Borough" would easily equal a D.

But Evil, so clearly R.

I think it was maybe Krauthammer that came up with this idea.
 
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Kepler said:
I could be wrong, but of all the awful crap I expect Trump to pull, expanding the mission of the warfare state is not among them. I get that he himself lacks the rudimentary intellect to sustain a coherent foreign policy view, but the people he likes to quote the most are Buchanan "Fortress Amerika" types. Also, realtors don't typically use the military as a taxpayer-funded negotiation arm the way extractive industries do. American kids die for Exxon and Dole Fruit, not golf courses or diploma scams.
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As of right now, Trump is very anti-intervention. We're going to support Assad because, well, Putin supports Assad. But Putin supports Assad because better to dance with the devil you know as long as you're making money, whatever other consequences be ****ed. Instability is messy and threatens to muck up their game.

But again, I can't stress enough that things are mostly fine now, but probably won't be for the next 4-8 years. A couple of Great Leader's hotels abroad get hit by terrorists and people stop wanting to book there? How much are you willing to bet on this guy's patience and self-control? Or lets say national morale starts to sag a bit once the rubes come around to the fact that they've been conned. The guy has already proven to be a master of rallying people around hating the Other. Anybody can make the easy decisions. I have zero faith in him to make the hard decisions.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So, Pelosi holds on to her House minority leader position.

Or, put another way, the Democrats are tone deaf to what happened in the "blue wall" and kept going on with business as usual. Tim Ryan (D - OH) would've been some acknowledgement to the group that put Trump in the White House (WI, MI, PA blue collar workers) that they are not forgotten by the Ds.

Then again, if Tim Ryan made a move for heading up the DNC that might be even better for the Ds.
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I'd think Nan held on to her post for much the same reason Hils was always going to be the nom -- just has accumulated so much political power within the party over the years that few will cross her regardless of what they think would be best. I know lefties love her and that's fine, but I do think they would have been better off as a whole going with some new blood. Plus the party power is all tied up with septuagenarians and the bench is thin. Gotta get some of these folks some playing time at some point.

The DNC chair is probably a more important choice though in signaling where the party is going from here.
 
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MaizeRage said:
As of right now, Trump is very anti-intervention. We're going to support Assad because, well, Putin supports Assad. But Putin supports Assad because better to dance with the devil you know as long as you're making money, whatever other consequences be ****ed. Instability is messy and threatens to muck up their game.

But again, I can't stress enough that things are mostly fine now, but probably won't be for the next 4-8 years. A couple of Great Leader's hotels abroad get hit by terrorists and people stop wanting to book there? How much are you willing to bet on this guy's patience and self-control? Or lets say national morale starts to sag a bit once the rubes come around to the fact that they've been conned. The guy has already proven to be a master of rallying people around hating the Other. Anybody can make the easy decisions. I have zero faith in him to make the hard decisions.
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I have zero faith in Trump's patience and self control but I have a lot of faith in his mendacity and laziness. He already has his target for "rally round the family, pocket full of shells" and it's Muslims. When he needs to gull his brownshirts back in line, our intel agencies will discover a plot of the appropriate severity and scope, just like they connected the dots between Saddam, 9/11, and WMDs. All reports to the contrary will be an advancement disincentive. Entities reporting contrary stories will find their sources drying up. Being a team player is important.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'd think Nan held on to her post for much the same reason Hils was always going to be the nom -- just has accumulated so much political power within the party over the years that few will cross her regardless of what they think would be best. I know lefties love her and that's fine, but I do think they would have been better off as a whole going with some new blood. Plus the party power is all tied up with septuagenarians and the bench is thin. Gotta get some of these folks some playing time at some point.

The DNC chair is probably a more important choice though in signaling where the party is going from here.
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It's almost as if the DNC isn't being put together to appeal to you. :p
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Or, put another way, the Democrats are tone deaf to what happened in the "blue wall" and kept going on with business as usual. Tim Ryan (D - OH) would've been some acknowledgement to the group that put Trump in the White House (WI, MI, PA blue collar workers) that they are not forgotten by the Ds.
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What you mistake for tone deafness is hearing the tone all too well. They realize that this is what happens when you start listening to Yee-hawdists' concerns. Boy that sounds like one economically anxious valid opinion haver sending those letters out.

The list of solutions offered to them by the Dems and not offered to them by Republicans have been covered extensively here. The door to the methadone clinic is always open to them whenever they're ready.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Good call. On the surface you'd generally think "Public School Administrator in a 70% Democrat Borough" would easily equal a D.

But Evil, so clearly R.

I think it was maybe Krauthammer that came up with this idea.
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If you would like to wager on who he voted for I am sure there are plenty of us that would love to take you up on it ;)
 
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Pro tip: show up <--- I'm not the author, but I love it: Who. Shows. Up.

Democrats in rural America have a blunt message for the rest of their party: We saw the electoral disaster coming — and it’s your fault. ...

When Democratic officials did show up, Sadler and others said they were ill-equipped for the nuances of a campaign in rural America.

“When they do show up, it’s 22-year-old kids from the Ivy League,” Sadler said. “And they’re telling you what do, as opposed to stopping and listening.”

To these strategists, the Democratic Party has become captive by a set of city-dwelling political professionals who personally don’t understand the important differences of urban versus rural campaigns. It’s a blindness that led them to dismiss the results of successive midterm elections, electoral wipeouts that many Democrats believed was mostly a consequence of the party’s urban base failing to turn out.

“The brilliant ones at top know better,” said Nancy Larson, a member of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. “And they come down and say, ‘This is what you do, this is what you say, this is what you have your candidates do, and don’t stray from this.’”

Larson added: “They talk about the messages that worked in very urban areas, where you have a million people or more. But they don’t know how to talk about ordinary people.”
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It hurts (disgusts?) me to say this, but Trump pulled off a Reagan: Trump got Midwestern Ds to show up and and vote for the R. Trump broke the "blue wall". Why? Not because he had a fabulous message, not because he was the better candidate (of two terribly flawed candidates), but because the Ds forgot a core constituency (that Ds will need for at least another 20 years). Or at least that's what rural Ds believed.

Here's the scarier one for the Ds: Mondale held MN even against Reagan's "49-1" win. That article makes it sound like MN was in doubt this time.

Some rural Democratic lawmakers considered sure bets for re-election, including Rep. Tim Walz of Minnesota’s 1st District, instead barely avoided shock defeats.
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MaizeRage said:
What you mistake for tone deafness is hearing the tone all too well. They realize that this is what happens when you start listening to Yee-hawdists' concerns. Boy that sounds like one economically anxious valid opinion haver sending those letters out.

The list of solutions offered to them by the Dems and not offered to them by Republicans have been covered extensively here. The door to the methadone clinic is always open to them whenever they're ready.
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I agree the left is not tone deaf. Unfortunately for them, too many of them hear, but don't listen. They hear people speak, then place what they hear into preconceived notions and beliefs about people they know nothing about, without ever listening to what really concerned those people.

If the Democrats had listened, just by pounding on standard Democratic platforms of jobs, pay, etc..., there were more than enough votes for them to capture out there to defeat the small, xenophobic and racist minority in this country.
 
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It's amazing how, in two months' time, the people yelling about the butthurt are the ones that are butthurt.
 
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I'm still not sure how many crossover votes Trump got vs Dems who just didn't vote at all. Where there a lot of Obama 2012-Trump 2016 voters? Or did a good portion of Obama 2012 voters stay home? I'm guessing the second one, because while she may be a couple of million off of Obama's totals, several million more people joined the ranks of voters since the last election.

Dems problem is twofold. First the stigma of not being able to get anything done in the face of obstructionism. Fair or not, its not inspiring to voters if you need a House majority, 60 seat Senate majority and the WH to get anything done. Obama while a solid Prez had a stunning inability to force Goopers to take tough votes and then exploit them when they did or didn't. Second problem is the left is lazy. There's little sustained effort to coalesce and sustain an issue over many election cycles, both in Presidential years and mid-terms. A good example is gun control. Most people want "sensible gun control" which usually revolves around background checks for all purchases and sales. The problem is one side votes based on this issue, and the other side does not. Hence, mentally ill people can legally purchase weapons in some cases without any background check.

Regarding Pelosi I feel bad for her because of the 3 people in charge back in the day (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) she's the least to blame. She passed the entire Obama agenda as she was supposed to. Somewhat ironic that Reid who took 6 years to learn how to do his job is better thought of as a warrior for the cause. However, this needs to be her last term as leader of the House Dems. Need to hand over the reigns of power to a younger generation.

Regarding the DNC, heard Ellison on NPR and was not impressed. Howard Dean all the way baby!
 
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