POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

[rufus]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

All respect I had for that man is dead...

You had respect for that corporate leech?

 

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Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

First Christie, now Romney...

 

[St. Clown]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

All respect I had for that man is dead...

I don't know. Mitt had to look at taking the Sec. of State job with a few things in mind.

1) Do I really want the job?
2) Is there anybody else being considered who's more qualified than me to take the job?
3) If I do not take the job, into whose lap would the job fall and could that person actually do a respectable job?
4) If he makes me apologize for the job, will I take the dose of humility for my own future glory or to better serve the country despite who my boss will be?
5) If I am seeking greater personal glory, how bad will my public profile be tarnished by having to publicly kiss the ring?
6) Can I actually handle having Trump as my boss for up to 4 years?

Personally, for his sake, I hope Romney knows that his name has taken a hit publicly but decided that the next best alternative for the job was someone like David Duke and couldn't let that happen to the USA.

 

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Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

That relationship won't last 4 years. It will be a season of Survivor - Outwit. Outplay. Outlast.

Freep's collective aneurysm when this nomination gets announced will be fun, at least.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

All respect I had for that man is dead...

He was always the UCTotY. Why anyone would respect him in the first place is beyond me.

 

[joecct]

Pelosi re-elected at house minority leader.

The majority of democrats in congress must be tone deaf.

Yuck.

1) She is great at raising money
2) She is very good at herding cats.

The Dem house leadership is in their mid 70s and will be pushing 80 in 2018. If I was a backbencher, I would be concerned.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

Pelosi re-elected at house minority leader.

The majority of democrats in congress must be tone deaf.

Yuck.

Considering what is running Congress right now totally the right decision. Who runs the DNC is vastly more important. Pelosi is a political God. She gets things done where others cannot.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

1) She is great at raising money
2) She is very good at herding cats.

The Dem house leadership is in their mid 70s and will be pushing 80 in 2018. If I was a backbencher, I would be concerned.

I'm sure they are concerned by your concern. Do you find it troubling as well?

The Plan, allegedly, is to involve younger members in the leadership. Pelosi is a pragmatist and the closest there is to someone in that body, on either side of the aisle, who fully comprehends this quote:

"Tactics means doing what you can with what you have." -- Saul Alinsky

She'll do a good job as usual. It will be interesting to see whether Schumer can tear his eyes from his mirror long enough to work with her.

If Ryan can get his eejits in line there's not much Nancy can do, but if he can't -- and it sure looks like he can't -- I trust her to know how much she can get for rescuing his nuts from the fire, when to do it, and when to let him burn.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

Who runs the DNC is vastly more important.

I dunno about "vastly." It sounds like it's coming down to Ellison v Paulson*. The loons are after Ellison so it would be funny to watch their erotic auto-asphyxiation racist BS. Paulson is more problematic for his Wall Street fawning. IINM he's also a Clintonista and we need to fumigate them. OTOH Trump can't contain himself around Paulson -- he absolutely hates him and that would be good for 3 am tweets.

Paulson is also a money firehose whereas I think Ellison is more of an idea guy which means he'd need a lieutenant to run fundraising.


* Nope, it doesn't, because Paulson is not running. The story I garbled is that Howard Dean is running (again) but Bernie Bros are up in arms about Dean praising Paulson for the bailout. I'll admit it did seem weird to me that Paulson was being considered.

Also in the running: Jaime Harrison (SC DNC Chair) and Raymond Buckley (NH DNC Chair). I know zippo about either.

 

[RENCEB]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

Thank you.

My intuition is that the expected value of a gun with respect to personal safety is negative in most places -- i.e., the likelihood of injuring yourself or a loved one is far higher than the likelihood that you will sustain less injury from an attack because of your gun. The only circumstances I can imagine a gun being a net safety positive are in an actual war zone where there's a high likelihood of multiple incidents of personal danger or in a very rural area (as in Alaska, not Tennessee) where bear etc. attacks are sufficiently likely to overwhelm the odds of an accident.

Guns make a certain personality type feel safer, just like TSA checks at airports make a certain personality type feel safer. Marketing is about perception, not reality, so it is easy to sell guns (or push through TSA programs).

Now add the cultural totem status of a gun and it becomes impossible to have a rational policy discussion about them. So I suggest we "debase" the cultural currency of guns by breaking their association with redneck rites of passage, not to get rid of guns, but just so we can have a sane national debate. In effect, we should try to grow Group 1 until it is larger than Group 2. Then an alliance of Group 1 and Group 0 (the gun-neutral / anti-gun electorate) will be successful. Group 1 has earned a seat at the table. That won't make absolutist gun banners (call them Group -1) happy, but like Group 2, they aren't helping anyone anyway.

I'm not very good with the whole "hotspot" thing (dating myself here), but please look up "Jim Jeffries on Gun Control", especially as relates to guns for protection. NSFW

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

THe CDC doesn't use murder rate, it uses firearm death rate. Suicides matter, but including them in the data for death rate is ignoring the fact that people who want to commit suicide will find a way to do it. A firearm is likely one of the most effective means, but I'm not sure suicide rates would drastically decrease if we banned guns. So including some but not all would be more accurate. I have no idea what that number is.

Also, overall murder rate is not a great way to look at it either. You need to look at gun murder rate.

OK...ignoring state gun homicides and suicides to gun ownership correlations.

In the most recent year, firearm murder rate vs. other means is for FBI murder rates - 69% (8,124) - and CDC total homicides - 68% (10,945). People are using guns to kill.

Would everyone start using knives and cyanide in murders and crimes if guns weren't available? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. But if in our lifetimes we've got what are literally hundreds of thousands of lives at stake...isn't it worth trying to find out?

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

I dunno about "vastly." It sounds like it's coming down to Ellison v Paulson*. The loons are after Ellison so it would be funny to watch their erotic auto-asphyxiation racist BS. Paulson is more problematic for his Wall Street fawning. IINM he's also a Clintonista and we need to fumigate them. OTOH Trump can't contain himself around Paulson -- he absolutely hates him and that would be good for 3 am tweets.

Paulson is also a money firehose whereas I think Ellison is more of an idea guy which means he'd need a lieutenant to run fundraising.


* Nope, it doesn't, because Paulson is not running. The story I garbled is that Howard Dean is running (again) but Bernie Bros are up in arms about Dean praising Paulson for the bailout. I'll admit it did seem weird to me that Paulson was being considered.

Also in the running: Jaime Harrison (SC DNC Chair) and Raymond Buckley (NH DNC Chair). I know zippo about either.

Kos chimes in here.

 

[busterman62]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

To quote the PE, wrong. First, yes, the number of suicides has been reduced significantly in Australia. A majority of suicide attempts are driven by a short term mental health crisis, not long term mental health issues. I believe it is over 70% of people that attempt suicide and live will not have a second attempt. Guns are by far the most effective method used to commit suicide, so removing them as an option has a big impact on overall success rates. Not having guns available to a person in the midst of a short term mental health crisis absolutely will have a MAJOR impact on suicides.

Not quite as black and white as you are trying to portray it. Link1 Link2
Suicide rates fluctuate but pretty much have hung in the 10-12 range. They are currently on the rise again. Overall, the only real persistent drop looks to be during WWII. They were dying in other ways then.

 

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Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

Dean and his all-inclusive strategy are what is needed after Hillary bombed in the Rust Belt. Start by getting sane Democrats back in power at the state level in Michigan, Ohio, and PA. They've got two years of tough campaigning ahead of them in the 2018 mid-terms, and probably won't gain much, but need to lay the groundwork for 2020.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

I don't know. Mitt had to look at taking the Sec. of State job with a few things in mind.

1) Do I really want the job?
2) Is there anybody else being considered who's more qualified than me to take the job?
3) If I do not take the job, into whose lap would the job fall and could that person actually do a respectable job?
4) If he makes me apologize for the job, will I take the dose of humility for my own future glory or to better serve the country despite who my boss will be?
5) If I am seeking greater personal glory, how bad will my public profile be tarnished by having to publicly kiss the ring?
6) Can I actually handle having Trump as my boss for up to 4 years?

Personally, for his sake, I hope Romney knows that his name has taken a hit publicly but decided that the next best alternative for the job was someone like David Duke and couldn't let that happen to the USA.

Good post.

1) She is great at raising money
2) She is very good at herding cats.

The Dem house leadership is in their mid 70s and will be pushing 80 in 2018. If I was a backbencher, I would be concerned.

Then make her the whip because what you described is basically the job description for the whip. Get a young face out here as the leader and let the whip do his or her job.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

Dean and his all-inclusive strategy are what is needed after Hillary bombed in the Rust Belt. Start by getting sane Democrats back in power at the state level in Michigan, Ohio, and PA. They've got two years of tough campaigning ahead of them in the 2018 mid-terms, and probably won't gain much, but need to lay the groundwork for 2020.

I would like to see Dean back as leader and a direct mentor to someone like Ellison. That person he is mentoring should be young, motivated, and should be named deputy leader or whatever 2nd in line is called.

It lets that person and Dean orchestrate a strategy while preparing that person to take over in a couple years. Which is why I think it would be ok for the deputy to be still a member of government. They should be tied at the hip and all important discussions should have both present.

Build that person up, show him or her how to be an effective leader on a a national scale, and what it takes to get things done.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

OK...ignoring state gun homicides and suicides to gun ownership correlations.

In the most recent year, firearm murder rate vs. other means is for FBI murder rates - 69% (8,124) - and CDC total homicides - 68% (10,945). People are using guns to kill.

Would everyone start using knives and cyanide in murders and crimes if guns weren't available? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. But if in our lifetimes we've got what are literally hundreds of thousands of lives at stake...isn't it worth trying to find out?

I don't disagree with your last paragraph. I even alluded to that in one of my posts (if I didn't, it's the post I have on my computer I haven't submitted yet). I fully acknowledge that suicides would likely be reduced if guns were banned. Drew S also acknowledged this.

I think the disagreement is how many fewer suicides we would see.

I also think the more important relationship to look at is gun ownership rates vs. gun violence rates. And look at them by demographics. I think that it provides a better picture at registered gun owners vs. unregistered. And that is an important distinction. Is be curious to see the gun violence rate for legal owners vs. unauthorized user (I didn't want to use the term illegal owners, because it didn't seem quite right). Unauthorized meaning felons, stolen guns, mentally disqualified individuals, etc.

I think we should toughen up our guns laws. The vast majority of gun-owners agree. I think universal background checks should be implemented. There should be harsh punishments for those that don't comply.

I also think gun crime sentences should be reviewed. I have no idea if they are lenient or harsh.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Their economy has done well in the 20 years since the ban so that could be part of it along with other things. I think there is truth that if less people owned guns suicide rates would decline, I'm not sure how much they would though. And would there be an increase in other unpleasant things?

Feel free to show data that supports this argument.

 

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

Our president-elect is an actual moron.

Gonna be a long 1.261e+8 seconds, folks...

Think of it as killing 1,051,200 consecutive minors.

 

[Drew S.]

Feel free to show data that supports this argument.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/opinion/powering-australias-economic-surge.html