POTUS: A Sharpie Is Always Needed

[Handyman]

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A Democrat in Iowa, no less. That’s what blew my mind. And she said it on camera. Without pause.

Why does that shock you? Outside of a few cities like Iowa City that State is just North Dakota with corn. They are not some liberal bastion or something...they are Blue Dogs. Bernie does well there because the colleges take up a large segment of the population.

 

[aparch]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump has no health care plan.<br><br>Pass it on. <a href="https://t.co/SieB83yJud">https://t.co/SieB83yJud</a></p>— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeamPelosi/status/1225073587624783872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Kepler]

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I think if you believe that persons who are prejudiced against people of a different race, against gays, lesbians and transgenders, against people of a different creed, are limited to those people who vote for Republican candidates, you are out of touch.

This is correct superficially, however your side runs on bigotry. Whether or not you're personally a bigot you are siding with the people who use bigotry to win elections. There's no escaping that.

If you want to stop being called a Nazi stop playing kissy kissy with Nazis. The guy who was ambivalent and ran the crematorium gift shop was a war criminal too.

 

[Rover]

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After the handshake snub and the "Four More Years!" chants, I don't really have a problem with her ripping up the speech. It just isn't quite what I expected her to do.

#NancytheRipper

That was awesome! Funny that its the most talked about part of his idiotic speech and you know how much he hates losing the news cycle. Pelosi is the one Dem I trust the most to play hardball.

 

[Kepler]

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That was awesome! Funny that its the most talked about part of his idiotic speech and you know how much he hates losing the news cycle. Pelosi is the one Dem I trust the most to play hardball.

The key here is she got him the only place he can be hurt: his insecurity.

Like every bully, at heart Dump is a p-ssy.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

This is correct superficially, however your side runs on bigotry. Whether or not you're personally a bigot you are siding with the people who use bigotry to win elections. There's no escaping that.

If you want to stop being called a Nazi stop playing kissy kissy with Nazis. The guy who was ambivalent and ran the crematorium gift shop was a war criminal too.

It’s beyond ironic that all our two conservatives have to say today is “both sides”

 

[burd]

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Why does that shock you? Outside of a few cities like Iowa City that State is just North Dakota with corn. They are not some liberal bastion or something...they are Blue Dogs. Bernie does well there because the colleges take up a large segment of the population.

I would not say such things if I were you.

 

[SJHovey]

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This is correct superficially, however your side runs on bigotry. Whether or not you're personally a bigot you are siding with the people who use bigotry to win elections. There's no escaping that.

If you want to stop being called a Nazi stop playing kissy kissy with Nazis. The guy who was ambivalent and ran the crematorium gift shop was a war criminal too.

The primary bigotry they run on is based on faith and sovereignty. They have a faith based belief system that homosexual relationships or practices are wrong, and they have a "this is my home and I have to defend it against invaders" belief that we need to erect walls to keep the infidels out.

Now, personally I think they are wrong on both counts, but I at least understand why they say, act and vote the way they do.

But if you think that one, single homophobic Iowa Democrat got exposed the other night, sorry.

 

[unofan]

A Democrat in Iowa, no less. That’s what blew my mind. And she said it on camera. Without pause.

Let's not forget everyone else in that video tried to reason with her or looked shocked at what she said. I get why the focus is on the outlier, but let's not let the outlier represent the entirety.

 

[Handyman]

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Keep in mind, I live in the most liberal parts of the most liberal Midwest state. With that in mind...

Most of my conservative friends at an absolute minimum don’t care if someone is gay. Most think they should be able to get married. At least a plurality are opposed to gay marriage bans.

I honestly can only think of one, maybe two who are opposed. A few of the in-laws (extended extended family) are opposed, but they’re insane and we don’t talk to them often.

Being anti-gay is essentially only a symptom of being Baptist, super-Catholic, or any of the other deeply evangelical denominations. I’d be willing to bet the vast majority live south and west of Virginia and East of Kansas; or somewhere between Montana and the Dakotas.

I dont know a Republican who is a Super Christian, but every Republican I know is of the "It is not my job to tell Gays if they can marry or not" variety. They cannot stand what the GOP has become. I bet if Mayor Pete won the nom half of them would vote for him. (though not advertise it)

Even crazier, my GF has an uncle that is as died in the wool GOP as it gets. Voted Republican in every (or most I would guess) election probably for 50 years. He is a very rich man, with a very rich job he got with a very rich education who lives in a very rich part of a midwest state and is also a Vet. He is always counted on to give money. He has officially left the Republican Party because of Trump and his minions. I think the rest of the family wants to throw him a party now

On another topic...the little Hitler Rally that was the SOTU...I think that was a tactical mistake for the Republican Party. If Donald Trump loses...I think history will look at that moment as kind of the turning point. Anyone who remembers what happened at the Paul Wellstone funeral knows what I am talking about. Americans love arrogance (hence Trump) and they love bravado but they also always have their break point...they also LOVE that moment when the person goes too far and they can knock them down from their pedestal. No his base wont do it so I am not even pretending that to be the case, but there are people who arent super motivated to care right now and stuff like this usually gets their blood pumping a bit. Every Dem, in every ad, from now til November should show two pieces of footage. The first is the Trump SOTU Hitler Rally side by side with every dictator in history, and then his pledge to save pre-existing conditions alongside [insert GOPer in that election here] voting to repeal Obamacare. Maybe throw in Trump's reaction to losing that vote for good measure. A high school AV department could make it and do it well. Run it as often as you can in every city.

Stuff like that is how they won the House, and the GOP just did it again.

 

[SJHovey]

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Why does that shock you? Outside of a few cities like Iowa City that State is just North Dakota with corn.

Actually, corn is one of the top cash crops in North Dakota. It would be more accurate to say that Iowa is like North Dakota, but with pigs. And with less talented people.

 

[rufus]

The primary bigotry they run on is based on faith and sovereignty. They have a faith based belief system that homosexual relationships or practices are wrong, and they have a "this is my home and I have to defend it against invaders" belief that we need to erect walls to keep the infidels out.

Yeah, sure, that's it.

 

[Handyman]

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I would not say such things if I were you.

Why trust me I know Minnesota isnt much different. The big difference though is Iowa doesnt have Minneapolis/St. Paul. The only reason Minnesota is as liberal as it is is because the Twin Cities is as blue as it gets. (yes I know some suburbs arent) Even if every person in Outstate Minnesota voted for something The Twin Cities/Dultuth/Rochester would still make sure they lost. That is how the Republicans lost the Anti-Gay Marriage fight. Population density is a liberals best friend.

I have driven in enough rural parts of Minnesota/North Dakota/Iowa/South Dakota/Wisconsin to know they are very much the same. Of course Minnesota and Wisconsin have trees, Iowa has corn, South Dakota has the Black Hills and North Dakota has missing chromosomes so it isnt all the same

 

[Kepler]

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Let's not forget everyone else in that video tried to reason with her or looked shocked at what she said. I get why the focus is on the outlier, but let's not let the outlier represent the entirety.

You're giving me hope.

 

[Slap Shot]

Why trust me I know Minnesota isnt much different. The big difference though is Iowa doesnt have Minneapolis/St. Paul. The only reason Minnesota is as liberal as it is is because the Twin Cities is as blue as it gets. (yes I know some suburbs arent) Even if every person in Outstate Minnesota voted for something The Twin Cities/Dultuth/Rochester would still make sure they lost. That is how the Republicans lost the Anti-Gay Marriage fight. Population density is a liberals best friend.

I have driven in enough rural parts of Minnesota/North Dakota/Iowa/South Dakota/Wisconsin to know they are very much the same. Of course Minnesota and Wisconsin have trees, Iowa has corn, South Dakota has the Black Hills and North Dakota has missing chromosomes so it isnt all the same

Ha! Wisconsin also has paint thinner in case the Packers lose.

 

[Kepler]

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Why trust me I know Minnesota isnt much different. The big difference though is Iowa doesnt have Minneapolis/St. Paul. The only reason Minnesota is as liberal as it is is because the Twin Cities is as blue as it gets. (yes I know some suburbs arent) Even if every person in Outstate Minnesota voted for something The Twin Cities/Dultuth/Rochester would still make sure they lost. That is how the Republicans lost the Anti-Gay Marriage fight. Population density is a liberals best friend.

I have driven in enough rural parts of Minnesota/North Dakota/Iowa/South Dakota/Wisconsin to know they are very much the same. Of course Minnesota and Wisconsin have trees, Iowa has corn, South Dakota has the Black Hills and North Dakota has missing chromosomes so it isnt all the same

Why is Minneapolis (425,000) so much more liberal than say Wichita (389,000) or Omaha (468,000)? Those cities could theoretically save their states too.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Let's not forget everyone else in that video tried to reason with her or looked shocked at what she said. I get why the focus is on the outlier, but let's not let the outlier represent the entirety.

Yeah, that's a good point. I tried to convey that with the rest of my post, ineffectively. Most don't care, some are pro gay marriage, few are anti.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Why is Minneapolis (425,000) so much more liberal than say Wichita (389,000) or Omaha (468,000)? Those cities could theoretically save their states too.

Demographics? Minneapolis is 63% white and have tasted what a high standard of living actually is. Omaha is 73% white.

Education?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Actually, if you look at states by Urban% vs. 2016 Clinton%, it's a very strong correlation between the two.

Utah, DC, Vermont, and Maine are outliers. The rest fit really, really well.

So that's a huge reason. In Nebraska 73.1% of people live in urban areas and Nebraska went 33.7% Clinton. Minnesota was 73.3% and 46.4%. So not the best example, but the results generally hold.

Copy and paste into Excel:

Area Name 2010
District of Columbia 100.0 0.9048
California 95.0 0.6173
New Jersey 94.7 0.5499
Nevada 94.2 0.475
Massachusetts 92.0 0.6001
Hawaii 91.9 0.6222
Florida 91.2 0.4782
Rhode Island 90.7 0.5441
Utah 90.6 0.2746
Arizona 89.8 0.4513
Illinois 88.5 0.5583
Connecticut 88.0 0.5457
New York 87.9 0.5901
Maryland 87.2 0.6033
Colorado 86.2 0.4816
Texas 84.7 0.4324
Washington 84.1 0.5254
Delaware 83.3 0.5309
Oregon 81.0 0.5007
United States 80.7 0.4818
Pennsylvania 78.7 0.4746
Ohio 77.9 0.4356
New Mexico 77.4 0.4826
Virginia 75.5 0.4973
Georgia 75.1 0.4564
Michigan 74.6 0.4727
Kansas 74.2 0.3605
Minnesota 73.3 0.4644
Louisiana 73.2 0.3845
Nebraska 73.1 0.337
Indiana 72.4 0.3791
Idaho 70.6 0.2749
Missouri 70.4 0.3814
Wisconsin 70.2 0.4645
Tennessee 66.4 0.3472
South Carolina 66.3 0.4067
Oklahoma 66.2 0.2893
North Carolina 66.1 0.4617
Alaska 66.0 0.3655
Wyoming 64.8 0.2163
Iowa 64.0 0.4174
New Hampshire 60.3 0.4698
North Dakota 59.9 0.2723
Alabama 59.0 0.3436
Kentucky 58.4 0.3268
South Dakota 56.7 0.3174
Arkansas 56.2 0.3365
Montana 55.9 0.3575
Mississippi 49.4 0.4011
West Virginia 48.7 0.2643
Vermont 38.9 0.5668
Maine 38.7 0.4783

 

[Drew S.]

Actually, if you look at states by Urban% vs. 2016 Clinton%, it's a very strong correlation between the two.

Utah, DC, Vermont, and Maine are outliers. The rest fit really, really well.

So that's a huge reason. In Nebraska 73.1% of people live in urban areas and Nebraska went 33.7% Clinton. Minnesota was 73.3% and 46.4%. So not the best example, but the results generally hold.

Copy and paste into Excel:

Area Name 2010
District of Columbia 100.0 0.9048
California 95.0 0.6173
New Jersey 94.7 0.5499
Nevada 94.2 0.475
Massachusetts 92.0 0.6001
Hawaii 91.9 0.6222
Florida 91.2 0.4782
Rhode Island 90.7 0.5441
Utah 90.6 0.2746
Arizona 89.8 0.4513
Illinois 88.5 0.5583
Connecticut 88.0 0.5457
New York 87.9 0.5901
Maryland 87.2 0.6033
Colorado 86.2 0.4816
Texas 84.7 0.4324
Washington 84.1 0.5254
Delaware 83.3 0.5309
Oregon 81.0 0.5007
United States 80.7 0.4818
Pennsylvania 78.7 0.4746
Ohio 77.9 0.4356
New Mexico 77.4 0.4826
Virginia 75.5 0.4973
Georgia 75.1 0.4564
Michigan 74.6 0.4727
Kansas 74.2 0.3605
Minnesota 73.3 0.4644
Louisiana 73.2 0.3845
Nebraska 73.1 0.337
Indiana 72.4 0.3791
Idaho 70.6 0.2749
Missouri 70.4 0.3814
Wisconsin 70.2 0.4645
Tennessee 66.4 0.3472
South Carolina 66.3 0.4067
Oklahoma 66.2 0.2893
North Carolina 66.1 0.4617
Alaska 66.0 0.3655
Wyoming 64.8 0.2163
Iowa 64.0 0.4174
New Hampshire 60.3 0.4698
North Dakota 59.9 0.2723
Alabama 59.0 0.3436
Kentucky 58.4 0.3268
South Dakota 56.7 0.3174
Arkansas 56.2 0.3365
Montana 55.9 0.3575
Mississippi 49.4 0.4011
West Virginia 48.7 0.2643
Vermont 38.9 0.5668
Maine 38.7 0.4783

For Maine a lot of natives move elsewhere and a lot of people from away move to Maine. My guess is that would be the reason for the disparity.