Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Drew is not being sincere. This is just the usual GQP game. Ignore it.
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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope
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Drew is not being sincere. This is just the usual GQP game. Ignore it.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
This, I think, is where I stand.
Just to play devil's advocate. We've never left Japan or Germany.
bronconick
Yep, still here
They passed something to get 8,000 translators evacuated a couple weeks ago, fwiw. And if either had kept suicide bombing us for decades, we'd leave. The only reason the British stayed in Northern Ireland through the Troubles was because they had been there for centuries and it's right next door.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Yes, of course.
Those people are human shields for the Empire. We aren't staying for them. Using them is a last ditch effort for the interests who are profiting by the Forever War.
If Lockheed, Raytheon, and Northrop cared about them so much they would have hired them, sponsored them for SIVs, and gotten them and their families out ten years ago.
Do it today and get outta Dodge.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
How are they any different?
unofan
Well-known member
These days, we're allies of both and we're there as bases to launch operations elsewhere, not to enforce peace in Germany or Japan themselves
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Sure, in 2021. I completely agree.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Pretty much since the end of WWII. (especially in Germany thanks to the Cold War)
We have zero business in Afghanistan anymore. Once the Surge!!1!! failed the war was pointless. We aren't the UN we don't get to just decide we can be an occupying force there for decades holding a peace. That isn't how it works.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
really? Just like that we became allies overnight and were welcomed in Germany forever? And Japan?
Apologies for the snark.
I mean, we firebombed Dresden and nuked Japan. I have to imagine those weren't exactly rosy relationships for the first decade after.
aaaaaaallll of that said, I still agree it was time.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
initially, the US keeping bases there were conditions of the two nations’ surrender to the US. After a while, both nations started to recognize the economic benefit of our troops being there, spending our money there, and grew to like it, or perhaps just tolerate it.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Which is kind of my point
So Biden should get credit for doing something Trump wanted to do? I don’t have an issue with the idea of getting out of Afghanistan but the execution could not have been any worse and the women there are going to be the ones to pay the price.
It sounds like the capitulation is complete.
rufus
rock and roller
What is happening there is what would have happened if we had left a month after first getting there, or we left ten years from now.
We never had any set goals for what we wanted to accomplish there, nor a plan to attain them. Without either, then why are we there?
D
Deutsche Gopher Fan
Guest
He just needs the sweet release of blaming a dem after four years of seeing his orange boy drool all over himself
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
As state of hockey said earlier, this would have happened exactly the same had this been in 2002, 2022, or 2052.
The fuck up came when we drew lines on a map for them. When was the last time that region was truly autonomous and self-represented?
I get that, I just wish we could have gotten the decent people out before those terrorist ***** take over. And I feel so horrible for the girls and women there.
Biden is the first politician I’ve ever donated money to and I like him a lot. Not really sure why people think I’m itching for a chance to criticize him.
bronconick
Yep, still here
If Alexander, the British, and the Soviets couldn't make Afghanistan work, what was a half-assed American effort ever going to accomplish?
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