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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

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Kepler said:
Good. Let them destroy themselves. Heck, give the Ruskies another bite at the apple, they never seem to learn.
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China is going to side with the Taliban and recognize them as the legitimate government, all they'll care about is getting rare earth metals. They aren't into "national building". As long as their business interest are safe, they'll all get along fine. And the Taliban knows that China has no problem shipping them all to "reeducation centers" aka concentration camps if they get out of line.
 
BassAle said:
China is going to side with the Taliban and recognize them as the legitimate government, all they'll care about is getting rare earth metals. They aren't into "national building". As long as their business interest are safe, they'll all get along fine.
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Yup. Peak capitalism.

I cannot wait for iPhones to be built with the rare-earth mineral equivalent of African Blood Diamonds....

(Not like they aren't already...)
 
This is conservatives wet dream. A bunch of hard liners with automatic weapons taking control of society and making sure women and progressives have no rights, and society acts like it’s 100 years ago.

they want that here.
 
MichVandal said:
Sorry, but this is how I see it would have happened no matter who was doing it and no matter in what way. Once the US troop move back, the Taliban will move in. After 20 years trying to build an Afghani armed forces to defend their country- we've totally wasted the effort. It's their country- at some point, they need to be responsible for it, too.
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I am not disagreeing with any of this. This was the right move no matter who the President is and is AT LEAST a decade too late.

But there is no way this doesn't look bad for Biden in the short term. It would for whoever was in that seat it is just a bad cluster. The AFG completely failed and we were so busy getting our people out that we didn't notice. The Joint Chiefs should have had a better plan in place and the Afghan Government should have used the extra time Biden gave them by moving the dates to get their people out.
 
rufus said:
But read a thing yesterday that said Biden is going off the experience of Obama when the military pressed him for "The surge", and more commitment of troops. If Biden just didn't get the heck out now, then he was gonna be faced with the same thing, the military saying they couldn't do whatever his plans for a slower, longterm withdrawal plan, and slow-walk or deliberately countermand his efforts to do get out.

It was get out, or continue to be stuck there forever.
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Absolutely. I support Biden 100% on withdrawal. A year from now no one will even remember this...especially if their loved ones are safe.
 
Handyman said:
I am not disagreeing with any of this. This was the right move no matter who the President is and is AT LEAST a decade too late.

But there is no way this doesn't look bad for Biden in the short term. It would for whoever was in that seat it is just a bad cluster. The AFG completely failed and we were so busy getting our people out that we didn't notice. The Joint Chiefs should have had a better plan in place and the Afghan Government should have used the extra time Biden gave them by moving the dates to get their people out.
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One wonders what they were all thinking. But, hey, a mineral bonanza for China. Good news for all. Those minerals should fund terrorism for the next 200 years.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Seems they grossly underestimated the number of civilians who thought they were getting a free ticket to the West.
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Well that is on them...because it was pretty clear that wasn't happening especially when Trump made the original deal. If the AGF was telling them that then yikes.

Watching the GOP about face on this in a week just shows how pathetic and spineless they are. I mean they even had to scrub the GOP web site because they had the big "Thank You President Trump For Ending The War" letter.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
One wonders what they were all thinking. But, hey, a mineral bonanza for China. Good news for all. Those minerals should fund terrorism for the next 200 years.
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I think you are grossly underestimating the problems that China will have there sooner or later. Afghanistan is always a fucking quagmire and it always will be and no amount of CCP nonsense will save that.
 
Handyman said:
I think you are grossly underestimating the problems that China will have there sooner or later. Afghanistan is always a fucking quagmire and it always will be and no amount of CCP nonsense will save that.
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Seems to me the people that have trouble there are the ones that war with them. Maybe they have trouble, maybe they don't. Taliban are going to love the money China is going to give them with no strings attached.
 
Handyman said:
I am not disagreeing with any of this. This was the right move no matter who the President is and is AT LEAST a decade too late.

But there is no way this doesn't look bad for Biden in the short term. It would for whoever was in that seat it is just a bad cluster. The AFG completely failed and we were so busy getting our people out that we didn't notice. The Joint Chiefs should have had a better plan in place and the Afghan Government should have used the extra time Biden gave them by moving the dates to get their people out.
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It depends on how you look at it. Biden could be the most courageous of the Presidents to deal with it- as they all knew this would happen, but they were too afraid of dealing with the repercussions. Biden has no more fucks to give, and just did it.

IMHO, a true leader knows when it's time to go, even when going is a horrible situation. dumpy was never going to do it, as the spin required would be overwhelming- he's probably lie about the taliban. I'm disappointed with Obama for not having the courage to just end it.

Joe looks bad for anyone who wants to make him look bad. But getting this done early in the first term is a great idea to let the pain heal.

As for the people we are leaving behind- for the non Afghani- how is it that you did not see this happening? In other words, what in the world are you still doing there? For the Afghani- yea, we should do as much as we can. Full families, though- not just the dude.
 
You might want to look around...Joe is taking the bulk of the heat on this. That is what I mean by short term.

In the long term the decision will be agreed upon as correct, although the execution not great. I mean the Saigon comparisons aren't going away nor should they. But it wasn't Ford's fault Saigon fell that was an event years in the making. So was this.

The problem is America doesn't really fight wars anymore they just occupy and piss everyone off.
 
MichVandal said:
It depends on how you look at it. Biden could be the most courageous of the Presidents to deal with it- as they all knew this would happen, but they were too afraid of dealing with the repercussions. Biden has no more fucks to give, and just did it.

IMHO, a true leader knows when it's time to go, even when going is a horrible situation. dumpy was never going to do it, as the spin required would be overwhelming- he's probably lie about the taliban. I'm disappointed with Obama for not having the courage to just end it.

Joe looks bad for anyone who wants to make him look bad. But getting this done early in the first term is a great idea to let the pain heal.

As for the people we are leaving behind- for the non Afghani- how is it that you did not see this happening? In other words, what in the world are you still doing there? For the Afghani- yea, we should do as much as we can. Full families, though- not just the dude.
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Here's the choice biden was given:

1. Do what he's doing now
2. Tell the taliban he's cancelling the agreement. Then have to face another several years of active military engagement with the taliban. And perhaps this time the taliban is backed by China and Russia.

so he chose the option that would cost the fewest American lives and resources.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Here's the choice biden was given:

1. Do what he's doing now
2. Tell the taliban he's cancelling the agreement. Then have to face another several years of active military engagement with the taliban. And perhaps this time the taliban is backed by China and Russia.

so he chose the option that would cost the fewest American lives and resources.
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Yep...the option that BTW was also what the American People wanted and both parties wanted. This political hackery going on will hurt him for a while (if this was an election year he would be toast) but by 2024 people will remember this is what we all wanted...the end of The Forever War.

In the interim, he would be best to just not say "well Trump set the deal and blah blah blah." While it is true and everyone knows it, no need to make it look like you are shifting blame cause it won't help. Tonight when he speaks he should talk about exactly what you said, and what we all know...the war was costing us money and American Lives and there is no end in sight. The money pit that was that war cost America a lot of growth and it was time to move forward. Then own the problematic parts even if they aren't all your fault.

At Least We Got The Airport Back

The U.S. has reached a deal with the Taliban to ensure that evacuations from Kabul's airport can take place without interference from the group, according to a report by The Associated Press.

The deal was reached in talks in Doha, Qatar, between senior Taliban officials and Gen. Frank McKenzie.

The two sides apparently agreed to a "deconfliction mechanism” in which operations at the airport in Kabul are permitted to continue without interference from the Taliban.

McKenzie reportedly told the Taliban that any interference would be met with force from the U.S. military, who would move to defend the airport if necessary.

Defense Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters on Monday that he would not discuss the specifics of McKenzie's conversation.

"But I can tell you that the general was very clear and firm in his discussions with Taliban leaders that any attack on our people or on our operations at the airport would be met swiftly with a very forceful response, and I think I'll leave it at that," Kirby added.
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Now get everyone out...run flights to every country that will take people and fly them there.
 
Just a normal tourist visit. And for those who will say some of the people in Kabul were being violent, well, those weren't really the Taliban, they were Afghantifa.
 
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