POTUS 45.66: Get Hard

[Kepler]

Hell I think Michael Steele called her out for it once...you know the former head of the friggin GOP. (who of course is on MSNBC)

Steele has been great on Dump, but I always have to remind myself that he was just peachy with the GOP destroying America until he woke up on the wrong side of the gravy train one morning.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Steele has been great on Dump, but I always have to remind myself that he was just peachy with the GOP destroying America until he woke up on the wrong side of the gravy train one morning.

Yep. I will never forgive him for his transgressions despite the fact I find him very likeable now.

 

[Handyman]

Steele has been great on Dump, but I always have to remind myself that he was just peachy with the GOP destroying America until he woke up on the wrong side of the gravy train one morning.

Yep. Divorced f everything I kind of like him too...then I remember how all the opinions he has about Trump he mocked about Dubya.

 

[Swansong]

Something something something Prodigal Son.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Steele was never a prodigal son, just a guy who likes an audience. If the multiverse of parallel realities is real, then there's a reality in which he never met his wife, finished his seminary studies in 1984/85, and was ordained a Catholic priest.

 

[Handyman]

He was the head of the GOP he is a friggin true believer.

 

[aparch]

Latest Trump campaign video repeatedly displays graphic of a "unified Reich" if he wins.

Water carriers already claiming its nothing.

But tell me again how Biden is the problem?

We're f*cking flirting with becoming Tehran '77 or Berlin '38 and the f*cking rubes are whining because their F250 takes an extra $10 to fill the tank. For f*cks sake.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Latest Trump campaign video repeatedly displays graphic of a "unified Reich" if he wins.

Water carriers already claiming its nothing.

But tell me again how Biden is the problem?

We're f*cking flirting with becoming Tehran '77 or Berlin '38 and the f*cking rubes are whining because their F250 takes an extra $10 to fill the tank. For f*cks sake.

Why do you hate America?

 

[Kepler]

One third of every country are gorillas looking for a substitute for their abusive father to tell them what to do.

 

[Handyman]

Latest Trump campaign video repeatedly displays graphic of a "unified Reich" if he wins.

Water carriers already claiming its nothing.

But tell me again how Biden is the problem?

We're f*cking flirting with becoming Tehran '77 or Berlin '38 and the f*cking rubes are whining because their F250 takes an extra $10 to fill the tank. For f*cks sake.

And they also openly wonder why Jews will never vote for this clown en masse.

The rubes I don't much care about...the GOP died when they embraced the people who openly hate all government. But seeing sitting Congressmen and Senators dress like Trump and show up at his trial and attack the judge, attack his daughter and attack the jury? To threaten prosecutors who dare prosecute a crime? To change the rules mid-game because you don't like that the criminal you backed was so stupid everyone saw he was a criminal?

I am not the guy who uses says this but if November goes the way I think it will then I when the GOP is in the minority in the House you hold hearings and investigate them all. Expel any that you can prove are deserving. No more playing games.

 

[Swansong]

The one and only defense witness is done in Trump's hush money trial. Apparently, it did not go well for Trump or for the witness. The jury is excused until next Tuesday, and the judge said he was hoping to get both closing statements in and then be able to send the jury to deliberation by Wednesday morning. We'll see about that, but we could conceivably have this wrapped up by end of next week.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Is this a fucking joke?

That's the defense? AYFKM.

They better convict that fucker and he better get jailtime.

 

[Handyman]

He will be out pending appeal so it's not like it will matter...

And yeah the witness did not help in any way. When a witnesses pizzes off a judge so badly he cleats the courtroom that is not good. When that witness is an attorney openly questioning the judges rulings...oh boy.

Trump mounted zero defense...all they did was try and discredit witnesses and outside of one portion with Cohen they never got close to doing it.

 

[Swansong]

Is this a ****ing joke?

That's the defense? AYFKM.

They better convict that ****er and he better get jailtime.

The defense seems to be wrapped around a mix of "nuh uh, never happened. Cohen is a liar and did it all on his own and Trump never even knew anything about it." ... which is contradicted by the recording of him talking about the payments and their importance.


I've read/listened to some defense attorneys try to explain how you would defend a similar case with a client that wasn't... Trump. And they'd basically concede the fact that the payment was for the alleged purpose, and lean hard on "he didn't know it was illegal, he was trying to protect his wife, total panic, no harm intended" and simply hope you catch a couple of jurors that bought it and ignored the stated law. Alternatively you get the obvious conviction but not the felony conviction, or accept those but hope for super leniency in sentencing.

But Trump is not doing any of that. His whole defense is "never happened". So assuming there's a conviction, this would end up being the largest falsifying business record conviction in NYS history. Apparently only about 10% of these convictions result in jail time, but if this is, in fact, the largest in the state's history, wouldn't this be included in that 10%? I don't know the answer to that. Were there other crimes involved in those convictions that may or may not be present here?


Ultimately this case seems like the second most open-and-shut (behind the classified documents case), albeit with the lowest stakes. Unlike the Carroll case and the NYAG case, Trump has actually mounted something approaching a defense, tepid and inept as it is.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

He and his minions are undermining the DOJ at every turn. Literally you had Marco Rubio a sitting US Senator saying on Sunday that the DOJ is corrupt. That cannot stand. If he's out pending appeal, fine, but it better be a nice quick appeal. None of this 6 years BS.

 

[Handyman]

He and his minions are undermining the DOJ at every turn. Literally you had Marco Rubio a sitting US Senator saying on Sunday that the DOJ is corrupt. That cannot stand. If he's out pending appeal, fine, but it better be a nice quick appeal. None of this 6 years BS.

Oh he will push for a fast appeal...and he has a decent shot at a re-trial but it won't happen until at least next year.

Swan,

The fraud likely won't be enough for jail time on its own that is why they added the felony election interference to the lust of charges. That has mandatory time. (this is all based on what other prosecutors say)

I gurantee Blanche hates everything about this case. Trump tied one hand behind his back by forcing him to argue the affair never happened. Everyone knows it did...that is not a good look to the average jury. If he just admits the affair and says he covered it up to hide it from Melania he gets a slap on the wrist. He gambled when he didn't need to and it might cost him bigly.

Honestly though if it ends in the next 2 weeks it's great news for Biden. He needs Trump campaigning and not sucking up the entire news cycle with breathless commentary about what everyone including the sketch artist thinks. (Yes that really happened)

 

[rufus]

Latest Trump campaign video repeatedly displays graphic of a "unified Reich" if he wins.

Water carriers already claiming its nothing.

But tell me again how Biden is the problem?

We're f*cking flirting with becoming Tehran '77 or Berlin '38 and the f*cking rubes are whining because their F250 takes an extra $10 to fill the tank. For f*cks sake.

They want the "unified Reich" cause they think they'll be at the top.

Where they rightfully belong.

 

[rufus]

The defense seems to be wrapped around a mix of "nuh uh, never happened. Cohen is a liar and did it all on his own and Trump never even knew anything about it." ... which is contradicted by the recording of him talking about the payments and their importance.


I've read/listened to some defense attorneys try to explain how you would defend a similar case with a client that wasn't... Trump. And they'd basically concede the fact that the payment was for the alleged purpose, and lean hard on "he didn't know it was illegal, he was trying to protect his wife, total panic, no harm intended" and simply hope you catch a couple of jurors that bought it and ignored the stated law. Alternatively you get the obvious conviction but not the felony conviction, or accept those but hope for super leniency in sentencing.

But Trump is not doing any of that. His whole defense is "never happened". So assuming there's a conviction, this would end up being the largest falsifying business record conviction in NYS history. Apparently only about 10% of these convictions result in jail time, but if this is, in fact, the largest in the state's history, wouldn't this be included in that 10%? I don't know the answer to that. Were there other crimes involved in those convictions that may or may not be present here?


Ultimately this case seems like the second most open-and-shut (behind the classified documents case), albeit with the lowest stakes. Unlike the Carroll case and the NYAG case, Trump has actually mounted something approaching a defense, tepid and inept as it is.

Donnie effin' said the payments were reimbursements in depositions taken for other legal matters.

 

[walrus]

Trump walks on stormy pay off. Jury-deliberates for about a minute and half.

 

[Handyman]

Trump walks on stormy pay off. Jury-deliberates for about a minute and half.

Care to wager?

He would have walked if he just admitted he screwed her.

The fact is he called the only witness that could make Michael Cohen look decent. Costello was an embarrassment.