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[Swansong]

Yup. Trump - and the rest of the MAGAverse - lives in this "win today, f tomorrow" mindset. No thought whatsoever to the future. It amazes me to see people just constantly debase themselves for him.

 

[Kepler]

Hey, he's not all bad.

 

[Swansong]

Oh man. Trump isn't getting a jury trial in the NY civil case because "nobody asked for a jury", per the judge.


The best lawyers money can buy.

Some clarification here after reading more. The original story was mostly correct, but not fully.

In NY civil cases, plaintiff (in this case, the AG) indicates whether they want a jury trial or not. Then the judge agrees or disagrees, and then the defendant can object or not.

In this case, the AG indicated NO jury. The judge accepted it, and Team Fraud did not object. There is some suggestion that they had planned to object at the last second but due to a million reasons (mostly related to RICO in Georgia as well as last weeks somewhat surprise bench ruling), they did not object in time. That they did not do so today sorta dumps water on that idea, but who knows. These are not competent people.

 

[rufus]

But Biden's the senile one.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/...is-unraveling-and-the-media-is-covering-it-up

 

[Slap Shot]

You can practically hear his handlers in the background pleading for him to stfu.

Oh and good luck Elmo.

 

[French Rage]

"Some people say".

 

[Swansong]

You can practically hear his handlers in the background pleading for him to stfu.

Oh and good luck Elmo.

On the trump video: I love that he just keeps rolling with the "people are saying" thing. And well, yeah. After you plant that in their stupid heads, they sure are. As to the rest, eh. He's going to lose this case. He's already lost the important parts of it. What does he have to lose at this point? They're playing for an appeal.

On the Musk suit: good. F this piece of crap.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Interesting thoughts on the MAGA Cult and their large, hybrid compound (RW fringe Internet + church + other conservative social groups/clubs). And how that same advantage also makes it a little easier to gradually peel off and deprogram some of them, even if they don't necessarily make a big public show of renouncing their support and groveling for forgiveness.

Not sure I agree with all of it, but I definitely concur that 2024 is a crucial election. If we can put them down hard at the polls and get their corrupt-as-fck leader and his associates behind bars on very legitimate charges that go far beyond mere "process crime", we will have passed the turning point of the MAGA Cult being a serious threat. The current GOP feels like the Second KKK/Indiana Klan in about 1925. The more you expose their leaders as corrupt hypocrites who conned them, the more the rank-and-file quit showing up to rallies, throw out the robes/hats, and quietly slink away in shame.

It's gonna take time though to mend bridges with this however. MAGA has literally split up families. It'll take years in many cases before relatives speak to one another again. This just isn't a quick spat where all is forgiven in a month or two. This is going to be an issue for YEARS.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Yup. Trump - and the rest of the MAGAverse - lives in this "win today, f tomorrow" mindset. No thought whatsoever to the future. It amazes me to see people just constantly debase themselves for him.

Ah. C suite greatest hits.

 

[French Rage]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans

John Kelly, the longest-serving White House chief of staff for Donald Trump, offered his harshest criticism yet of the former president in an exclusive statement to CNN.

Kelly set the record straight with on-the-record confirmation of a number of damning stories about statements Trump made behind closed doors attacking US service members and veterans, listing a number of objectionable comments Kelly witnessed Trump make firsthand.

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

 

[Swansong]

... but he'll vote for him if he's the GQP nominee.

 

[dxmnkd316]

John Kelly is as big of a piece of shit as the rest of them. This parade of rats fleeing the sinking ship and trying to launder their reputations would be laughable if it wasn't for the media lapping it all up like trained dogs. Fucking disheartening.

 

[Handyman]

Following some Twitter reporters in the court room, it's going very badly for Alina Habba. She referred to opening statements as "testimony" (which they are absolutely not and any lawyer who's ever been in a courtroom should know this) repeatedly and the judge corrects her each time. Apparently she keeps bringing up previously-decided issues as well.

Look, he's going to lose this case and what happens after is anyone's guess. But if Habba has any interest in actually being a lawyer after all of this, she's doing a bad job at that.

She has no interest in being a lawyer...she wants a TV job.

The other lawyer is smiling btw because he asked to be paid up front!

 

[Handyman]

John Kelly is as big of a piece of **** as the rest of them. This parade of rats fleeing the sinking ship and trying to launder their reputations would be laughable if it wasn't for the media lapping it all up like trained dogs. ****ing disheartening.

Yeah...I am sick of the media letting these criminals whitewash their reputations. All of them will vote for Trump in 2024 and if he offers they would line up to serve him. Screw all of them especially Kelly, Barr and Hutchinson. I don't care how much they cooperated they also enabled him at every turn. They should all serve time as should Conway and anyone else. Lock em all up the MAGAs should get no quarter.

 

[St. Clown]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans

Most of those positions were known, or actions taken, before TFG was elected, and yet still Kelly decided to work for him. With his scathing statements should come a period of self-reflection.

 

[Slap Shot]

His commentary is 100% spot on.

Former federal judge rips Washington Post over 14th Amendment editorial

Former federal judge Michael Luttig ripped The Washington Post’s Monday op-ed against invoking the 14th Amendment to disqualify former President Trump from the 2024 election, calling it “perhaps the most journalistically incompetent and irresponsible” piece he has ever read on the U.S. Constitution.

“This editorial today by @washingtonpost is perhaps the most journalistically incompetent and irresponsible editorial on the Constitution of the United States and a question of constitutional law by a major national newspaper that I ever remember reading,” Luttig wrote Monday in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

Luttig, a conservative appointed by former President George H.W. Bush who has repeatedly criticized Trump’s false election claims, claimed the op-ed titled “The 14th Amendment can’t save the country from Donald Trump” misquoted Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

The provision has already been cited in two lawsuits in Minnesota and Colorado seeking to keep Trump off the ballot.

The Post’s op-ed addresses several points of uncertainty over the provision, writing that the answers “in most instances, aren’t terribly clear.”

Luttig was responding to the beginning of the piece, wherein the Post’s editorial board calls the case for invoking the 14th Amendment “intriguing,” but that “banking on an arcane paragraph to protect the country from a second Trump term would be foolish.”

“The editorial inauspiciously begins by ‘misquoting’ the Disqualification Clause of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment itself, next dismissively pronouncing the argument for disqualification made by the nation’s foremost constitutional scholars as little more than intriguing and then admonishing the American public that ‘banking on an arcane paragraph to protect the country from a second Trump term would be foolish’ of them,” Luttig wrote in a later post on X.

Luttig also argued the Post does not actually explain why the American public should not be relying on the 14th Amendment.

“But it is probably because, as we see in the newspaper’s buried cynical lede in the concluding paragraph,” Luttig wrote. “The [Washington Post] fears the current Supreme Court will never interpret the Constitution to disqualify the former president, no matter what the Constitution says.”

Luttig was referencing the final paragraph of the op-ed that argued invoking the 14th Amendment would make its way to the Supreme Court, where the chance of Trump’s disqualification being affirmed “seem low,” and that the nation would be “better off” relying on votes to keep the former president out of the White House.

“One would at least expect that serious reasoning would have to follow in support of its warning that the American public’s resort to and reliance upon the Fourteenth Amendment would be ‘foolish,'” Luttig wrote. “Instead, what follows borders on, if it does not pass into, the silly and absurd.”

 

[ScoobyDoo]

While the commentary is spot on the premise of the OP Ed isn't far fetched. This Court has no problem throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

[Kepler]

Here's a nice run down of Dump's representation.

 

[Slap Shot]

While the commentary is spot on the premise of the OP Ed isn't far fetched. This Court has no problem throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Then you missed one of his points, which is it doesn't matter what SCOTUS will or won't do once it's inevitably brought before them.

 

[Handyman]

The 14th Amendment argument really doesn't hold water anyways...and I think is a loser argument anyways.