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POTUS 45.65: I'm Just Here For The Lincoln Project Ads

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Handyman said:
You mean the same Lincoln that in 1863 pardoned any Confederate who quit the war? The same Lincoln that would have likely done the same thing after it ended to help Reconstruction? The Lincoln that would have allowed slavery to continue to preserve the Union had the attack on Fort Sumter not happened and the South seceeded?

Gopnik either failed American History or he is a full on idiot.
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Lincoln believe that preserving the union was what mattered. So leaders who DIDN'T quit the war would not have been pardoned. And when the rebels started the shooting war he mounted a response that eventually killed more people than in all of the other wars we have fought combined. That Lincoln wasn't first and foremost only an abolitionist isn't the only thing that would have driven him has he lived to see reconstruction. Perhaps Gopnik was engaging in a little hyperbole about what should have happened to trump in January of 2021, but the response by the justice department is one of the few issues I have with Biden. And his response is mostly driven by his reluctance to let go of the "when they go low we go high" mentality that he probably shares with Michele Obama, as well as his clinging to his well-known belief that he CAN work with the other side, and he SHOULDN'T politicize the DOJ. He's naive and wrong, but at least he comes to it from an acceptable hope.
 
For real. Today is another reminder that there are rules for normies and rules for rich people. He'll never be held accountable for anything.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
Lincoln believe that preserving the union was what mattered. So leaders who DIDN'T quit the war would not have been pardoned. And when the rebels started the shooting war he mounted a response that eventually killed more people than in all of the other wars we have fought combined. That Lincoln wasn't first and foremost only an abolitionist isn't the only thing that would have driven him has he lived to see reconstruction. Perhaps Gopnik was engaging in a little hyperbole about what should have happened to trump in January of 2021, but the response by the justice department is one of the few issues I have with Biden. And his response is mostly driven by his reluctance to let go of the "when they go low we go high" mentality that he probably shares with Michele Obama, as well as his clinging to his well-known belief that he CAN work with the other side, and he SHOULDN'T politicize the DOJ. He's naive and wrong, but at least he comes to it from an acceptable hope.
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A little hyperbole...no he is phucking wrong. Lincoln would have done nothing of the sort. Anyone who took American History in college would tell you that. Lincoln would have pardoned or paroled all of the Confederates including Lee and the other Generals so long as they disavowed the rebellion and went home. (like Grant at Appomattox) He would have released prisoners too...because to him they never stopped being Americans. This bloodthirsty vindictive version of Lincoln you seem to think existed is a farce and an insult to him. Bastardizing American History to prove a marginally true point is not something we should be doing...Lincoln did a lot of very shady stuff (suspend Habius Corpus, Hang the Indians in Mankato...etc) but he would have bent over backwards to make Reconstruction work, he literally chose Johnson to appease Southern Dems for after the war, which is why his death screwed this country.

dx is closer to right Washington would have gone nuts. He might have been nice to Lee though since they are related ;^)

Very few Presidents after Washington would do what you and that nimrod from The New Yorker (or whatever) advocate...and the ones who would are the ones you would not want making those decisions. I would take Biden over most in that position because he got that any chance at mending fences would die if he basically goes Trump on the bit. He was elected not to do that.
 
Swansong said:
For real. Today is another reminder that there are rules for normies and rules for rich people. He'll never be held accountable for anything.
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They reduced the bond, not the judgment amount. They also affirmed the provisions for oversight meaning his properties are not going anywhere. If affirmed on appeal, he'll still have to pay the whole thing, plus 9% interest.

And that's all assuming he can get a bond for 175m
 
NCAA watcher said:
They reduced the bond, not the judgment amount. They also affirmed the provisions for oversight meaning his properties are not going anywhere. If affirmed on appeal, he'll still have to pay the whole thing, plus 9% interest.

And that's all assuming he can get a bond for 175m
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Well according to what he said last week he had $100 million for the bond...in theory raising the rest shouldn't be hard.

I am not too upset that the bond was lowered. It will likely stop him from declaring bankruptcy as a stop gap measure.
 
Handyman said:
Well according to what he said last week he had $100 million for the bond...in theory raising the rest shouldn't be hard.

I am not too upset that the bond was lowered. It will likely stop him from declaring bankruptcy as a stop gap measure.
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And the extra 10 days gives him a chance to pick up a handful of Powerball tickets.
 
SJHovey said:
And the extra 10 days gives him a chance to pick up a handful of Powerball tickets.
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"The Evil Powerball is rigged! My numbers were the best numbers, a lot of Powerball experts, former winners well respected champions even ones who prefer scratchoffs or Mega Millions, that my ticket was the best setup they had ever seen! We are hearing, and I think everyone will agree with this, that the Corrupt Powerball along with its master Crooked Sleepy Joe Biden...a man who is, well frankly losing his mind I think we all know this...he rigged this Powerball to stop us just like he did when he ran against Obama in 2016 so that his son and the Biden Crime Family could buy Burisma in Ukraine and then attack Russia...which of course was a hoax we all know that all of Russia is a hoax because of Hillary and her bleached emails which of course had the real winning numbers which she stole and put on Hunter's laptop! And I am going to say something, and I probably shouldn't say it but when you have billions of dollars and are broke you can say anything you want in fact most experts agree everything I say is the best things...but I believe the head of the Powerball, again its corrupt because of Sleepy Joe Biden...its rigged like that McDonald's Monopoly game...if you saw that documentary its tremendous and ya know Netflix wasn't going to show it, Obama and Hillary wanted it kept a secret but we believe in free speech and we told Netflix to show it so the world will know how Hunter won it so many times...anyways the head of the Corrupt Powerball, that nasty evil woman Susan...is it Taylor or Tyler? I never know which it is but she is a nasty nasty woman and from what I hear she gave billions to the Bidens over the years because she loved Burisma...well she doesn't like me, she isn't my type anyways but she rigged this so Hillary could win and help Obama beat Crooked Joe Biden and keep me out of the White House".
 
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Swansong said:
For real. Today is another reminder that there are rules for normies and rules for rich people. He'll never be held accountable for anything.
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This is a truism.

The laws are written by the rich for themselves. We do not have rule of law when it comes to wealth.
 
NCAA watcher said:
They reduced the bond, not the judgment amount. They also affirmed the provisions for oversight meaning his properties are not going anywhere. If affirmed on appeal, he'll still have to pay the whole thing, plus 9% interest.

And that's all assuming he can get a bond for 175m
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I've also read that lowering this could have been contingent on a deal more or less in place from an organization who would float the money. So the $175 may not be arbitrary. In fact, the opposite could be true.
 
Alito is literally arguing this morning that the FDA approved Mifepristone illegally and that the public has no remedy for any issues with it.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/25/politics/fact-check-trump-nyse-truth-social-story/index.html

Washington CNN —

Former President Donald Trump told a story on Monday in which he claimed that he decided not to list the Trump Media & Technology Group on the New York Stock Exchange, even though the exchange “badly” wanted the company, because businesspeople are “treated too badly in New York” and “don’t want to be attacked by a thug like this horrible attorney general that we have in New York.”

There is one problem. The story does not make any sense.

Facts First: The stock exchange on which the Trump Media & Technology Group is being listed, the Nasdaq, is also headquartered in New York. In fact, the Nasdaq and the New York Stock Exchange are located in the same New York City borough of Manhattan. In other words, all of the New York laws and political oversight that would have applied to the company if it was listed on the NYSE will apply to the company when it is listed on the Nasdaq.

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He claimed that “the people at the stock exchange are very, very upset” that he decided against listing the company on the NYSE and that “the top person is mortified, can’t believe it.” And he said of this supposed NYSE official: “He said, ‘I’m losing business because of New York – because people don’t want to be in New York and they don’t want to go on the New York Stock Exchange.’ So you can ask them about it,” he said.

The “top person” at the NYSE, however, is not a “he.” The president of the NYSE since 2022, Lynn Martin, is a woman, as is her predecessor Stacey Cunningham. And the NYSE board is chaired by a woman, Sharon Bowen.
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