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POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

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BassAle said:
support falling for independents is a pretty big ****ing deal considering all the stuff that's come out in the past two weeks. I'd like to see some post-Sondland and Hill testimony polls
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Right but again that wasnt the point Chicken Little made. Your point is valid, his isnt. He said support dropped amongst Dems which isnt true at all.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fix your eyes on Kilmeade and watch this whole clip. <a href="https://t.co/MQWeVi6aQY">https://t.co/MQWeVi6aQY</a></p>— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1197949687975821312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Handyman said:
Right but again that wasnt the point Chicken Little made. Your point is valid, his isnt. He said support dropped amongst Dems which isnt true at all.
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So, we have two Chicken Little's? I can't even have my own nicknames now? Boy, that sucks.
 
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This is interesting. I'll leave it to uno for juridical bullsh-t detection.
 
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ticapnews said:
You'll always be Chicken Little to me. :)
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The name's Penny. Henny Penny.

<img src="https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/james-bond-dr-no-700x525.jpg" height=300">
 
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BassAle said:
per 538 support for impeachment is dropping: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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The latest polls out of Emerson were done over landline (70%) and online (30%) from what I read. Hard to not consider that a factor.

Edit: Other interesting notes about the Emerson poll:
Which primary or caucus are you going to vote in?
GOP 39.0
DNC 42.8
Unsure 18.2

What is your party registration?
GOP 33.8
DNC 36.8
Independent/other 29.5

Among those who said DNC primary, Tulsi made up 2.3%. These aren't liberals.

Who did you vote for in the Democratic Primary in 2016?
Someone Else 7.0% -Wut?

Who did you vote for in the 2016 election?
Donald Trump 39.2
Hillary Clinton 41.0
Someone else 11.7%

Have you been watching or following the impeachment hearings of President Trump?
Yes 68.8
No 31.2

Region
Northeast 19.7
South 31.9
Midwest 20.7
West 27.6
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, we have two Chicken Little's? I can't even have my own nicknames now? Boy, that sucks.
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I think he beats you now. Listening to you makes us sad, listening to him makes it seem like we should all just commit Seppuku :p
 
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Holy hell, there's some crazy stats in there.

Biden's supporters are 61% female. Warren is almost 68%.

20% of Democrats APPROVE of Trump?
15% of Warren supporters approve of trump? SOrry, no.
Yang, Harris, and Pete are the only ones who were under 7% for that. Yang at 6.1%, Harris at 0%, Pete at 1.9%. Another 12% of Biden voters, 8% of Sanders voters, and 90% of of Gabbard and Steyer supports approve of trump.
19% of people who voted for Hillary approve of Trump. 34.5% of blacks approve of trump.
23% of of people who classify themselves as VERY LIBERAL approve of trump.

There's also a massive difference between landline and online approve/disapprove.
40% of online approve, 54% disapprove, and 6% live under a rock. 35% of the poll
53% of landline approve, 42% disapprove, and 5% live under a rock. 65% of the poll


This poll has been trolled hard. Or they're sampling is screwed up. I know this is an A-rated 538 poll. But these numbers make zero sense.

Edit: look at how Bernie supporters were polled. Something like 65% of his supporters came from online methods. And the poll was 65% landline. I know two people who have landlines. My parents.

Here's the spreadsheet:
http://emersonpolling.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/47/2019/11/ECP_MI_11.3.19.xlsx
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS THREAD. More and more conservatives will, hopefully, realize this! <a href="https://t.co/zYJlDhMtFC">https://t.co/zYJlDhMtFC</a></p>— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) <a href="https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1198002247038164992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Rover said:
Do you have a source for this statement? Polling has bumped around within the margin of error but generally a small majority in some polls and a plurality in others shows the public in general in favor of impeachment. Dems are overwhelmingly in favor from anything I've seen.

But don't be a Scooby. Educated voters are ditching the GOP in droves, which is why 2020 will have Dem governors in Kentucky and Louisiana along with a Dem House of Representatives. They're ditching because of the utter lunacy of the right, which is being made clear with the impeachment hearings.
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There are sources all over the place. 538 has an article that said 20% of Democrats don't favor it. You'll notice I didn't say a majority or even a large minority, just "a good number" and I would say if 20% of the entire country doesn't support it, that is far too many idiots breathing my air, but for 1 in every 5 democrats? Outrageous. Elections in too much of the country are far too close for their to be this many democrats to be even up in the air on this issue.

I am hopeful that 2020 turns out properly, but by no means do I assume it will. Scooby is right more often than he's wrong, by the way, and while I am not yet at that level of pessimism, sometimes I wonder why more people aren't. The politics of this country have come closer to ruining it today than at any other time in my life -- by far -- and I'm in my 6th decade, and as close as we've ever come barring the mid-19th century. We need to see similar results in 2020 that we saw in 2018 for me to believe we are turning a corner. That means grabbing the Senate, the White House and a couple more statehouses. That is a HUGE task.
 
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Handyman said:
Except that same polling shows 80% of Dems support it (scroll down) which is where the number has been roughly since Impeachment began. (was in the 70s before that) So ChickenLittleNotreDame was wrong. Hell overall it has fallen roughly 4% so it isnt like it is tanking it still ranks as a net positive on 538. Independents have gone down but that is it.

Chicken Little wants us to believe that the best thing that will come out of this is it has no effect on the coming election. Do you believe that?
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I never said democratic support was waning I said even a good number of democrats don't support it. Your name calling routine only reveals you to be a small person.
 
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