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POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

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St. Clown said:
Aggregated effective federal income tax rate for the nation is 18-20%, even though nominal (marginal) rates are higher. If Trump paid $36MM on $150MM income, his effective rate was 24%. Looking at this graph, his rate appears to be in the normal range for his income bracket.
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Now apply his policies, getting rid off the AMT. Now what do you get?

THAT is my point. The AMT prevented him from taking full advantage of "losses" to carry over. Part with that, and his rate will be closer to 3%, which is not exactly normal. Again, you have to have a lot of means to be able to take advantage of that hole.
 
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alfablue said:
Now apply his policies, getting rid off the AMT. Now what do you get?

THAT is my point. The AMT prevented him from taking full advantage of "losses" to carry over. Part with that, and his rate will be closer to 3%, which is not exactly normal. Again, you have to have a lot of means to be able to take advantage of that hole.
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I have no doubt that Trump will try to do whatever he can so he pays as close to zero taxes going forward. The man bragged about it on the campaign trail, saying that it made him smart to pay as little as possible. It's not best for America, but it's best for Trump and that's all that matters. To him.
 
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Kushners, Trump In-Laws, Weigh $400 Million Deal With Chinese Firm

A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.
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No one cares.
 
Handyman said:
Again with the lack of reading comprehension. Your little tirades are laughable and misguided since literally no one here is in favor of people gaming the system. The only one challenged here is you because you are reading things that just arent there.

We understand some will take advantage, some ALWAYS take advantage. There is no way to prevent it without causing harm to others. We choose to help the whole and risk it. Chaffetz would sooner screw over the whole group to make sure no one even tries. (because Chaffetz doesnt care about people ESPECIALLY poor people)

The only one who needs to read back is you. You wont, and that is fine but dont put words in our mouth mmkay. You and your ilk are why we are here anyways.
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So the taking advantage stories of today:

1- The person who took an ambulance to the ED for a cut in her finger that required guess what? Neosporin and a band aid.

2- The person who came to the ED seeking pain meds because they strained their wrist while shoveling. Only to discover they are already prescribed 100 Percocet every month for "back pain" which was last filled on March 10th yet they "didn't have any at home". (Selling them maybe?)

We have to figure out a way to help take care of the people who truly need help while preventing the hopeless from taking advantage.
 
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ericredaxe said:
So the taking advantage stories of today:

1- The person who took an ambulance to the ED for a cut in her finger that required guess what? Neosporin and a band aid.

2- The person who came to the ED seeking pain meds because they strained their wrist while shoveling. Only to discover they are already prescribed 100 Percocet every month for "back pain" which was last filled on March 10th yet they "didn't have any at home". (Selling them maybe?)

We have to figure out a way to help take care of the people who truly need help while preventing the hopeless from taking advantage.
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Not pictured: the 250 people who needed emergency care. :rolleyes:
 
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ericredaxe said:
So the taking advantage stories of today:

1- The person who took an ambulance to the ED for a cut in her finger that required guess what? Neosporin and a band aid.

2- The person who came to the ED seeking pain meds because they strained their wrist while shoveling. Only to discover they are already prescribed 100 Percocet every month for "back pain" which was last filled on March 10th yet they "didn't have any at home". (Selling them maybe?)

We have to figure out a way to help take care of the people who truly need help while preventing the hopeless from taking advantage.
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As a former critical access hospital trustee, I'd say these second-hand anecdotes are pretty meaningless. Even minimally staffed facilities have a mechanism in place: triage. And triage nurses are pretty quick to catch on to those atypical situations.
 
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ericredaxe said:
Actually that was 2 out of the 17 people seen by one provider on one shift.... Nice try though.
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Not pictured: the hundreds of thousands of visitors to the ER across the nation who needed emergency care.

But keep up your little anecdotal whitewashing of the truth.

Also, what burd said.
 
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ericredaxe said:
So the taking advantage stories of today:

1- The person who took an ambulance to the ED for a cut in her finger that required guess what? Neosporin and a band aid.

2- The person who came to the ED seeking pain meds because they strained their wrist while shoveling. Only to discover they are already prescribed 100 Percocet every month for "back pain" which was last filled on March 10th yet they "didn't have any at home". (Selling them maybe?)

We have to figure out a way to help take care of the people who truly need help while preventing the hopeless from taking advantage.
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burd said:
As a former critical access hospital trustee, I'd say these second-hand anecdotes are pretty meaningless. Even minimally staffed facilities have a mechanism in place: triage. And triage nurses are pretty quick to catch on to those atypical situations.
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To add my part, I think we have an OK system in place to "take care of the people who truly need help while preventing the hopeless from taking advantage." Triage works pretty well (as burd pointed out). I think both of the emergency departments I am on call for on a regular basis seem to have a pretty good system in place. Also I would not underestimate the value of well trained ED physicians, as they can do much to reduce costs when encountering "the hopeless."

People also underestimate the cost to society of missing a diagnosis or delaying treatment. Eric what do you think is the overall cost of an ambulance not picking a patient up with some numbness in the right arm which turned out to be a developing left MCA stroke? How many "fakers" are worth seeing to potentially save someones ability to utilize language? To walk? Would you prefer a neurologist ride around in every ambulance to better triage patients at the scene to weed out the "hopeless?"

As an aside, most fields of medicine have their own flavor of "functional patient" that are easy to brush off as crazy. But as one of my favorite attendings would say "Even crazy people can be sick." Or in other words, every patient deserves due diligence regardless of the other factors at play.
 
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