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POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

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trixR4kids said:
Right, so starting with Post-Reagan seems completely disingenuous when most of the damage we face and the overton window shifting is largely due to him.
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Right but he is saying Reagan accomplished plenty, who since then has? Bush I was a one termer and Dubya only got what he got because of 9/11. Trump couldnt even get ObamaCare repealed with majority control of Congress. The Republicans since Reagan have only been really good at starting wars and cutting taxes. The problem isnt that they are too good at making policy, it is that they have created the myth that they are master negotiators and leaders based solely on one man.

Now Rover is being hyperbolic, but he isnt exactly wrong. He forgot The Patriot Act but other than that they havent accomplished much outside their stated goal...cut taxes and make rich people happy.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I love how you dismiss the 23 trillion dollars that was stolen. Like it was nothing. But, for legislation how about the war powers they gave the President after 9/11? But, whatever.

The 23 trillion dollars is what matters to me. And you and the centrists don't seem to care.
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Ummmm....Scooby....please read the second sentence of the post you quoted. :rolleyes:

Is the 23T affecting you any? Its not affecting me.

trix, we're starting post Reagan because I agree with Kep that knuckledraggers had a solid run during his Presidency and did some extremely damaging things like making voodoo economics fashionable as well as absurd defense spending. What I've often told Kep is that he errs in combining 1981-present as one total era. Its basically Reagan's time where he captured the narcissism of the Baby Boomers perfectly, and then it slowed down during the uneven Bush I Presidency where the Prez was a 100% plute who ran a racist election campaign, but who also raised taxes and signed some liberal legislation. Next era was Clinton's when the electoral map re-aligned to more or less its current state - CA for example firmly under the Dems and FL won for the first time in a generation befitting its now swing state status. Dems were free to raise taxes and pass expanded healthcare during this time, but everything depends on the fickle younger generations turning out. That's where we're still at. A few states have been traded (Dems aren't winning AR or LA anytime soon, but have picked up VA) but its a similar map and similar coalition.
 
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Ok, if you include Reagan (which is why everyone says past 40 years, that includes Reagan) the Republicans, including him, have shifted the overton window much further to the right than the dems have to the left. Even after Reagan though the right wing narrative pretty much dominates the media's portrayal of things like immigration (this got substantially more regressive even under Obama), the budget (taxes are evil, "govt. doesn't work", "hOw wIlL wE pAy FoR iT!?!?!"), and national security (domestic spying, patriot act, Guantanamo). Even Dodd-Frank was gutted through bipartisanship just a decade after a financial crisis. At best we broke even post-Reagan and that's a stretch.
 
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Rover said:
Ummmm....Scooby....please read the second sentence of the post you quoted. :rolleyes:

Is the 23T affecting you any? Its not affecting me.

trix, we're starting post Reagan because I agree with Kep that knuckledraggers had a solid run during his Presidency and did some extremely damaging things like making voodoo economics fashionable as well as absurd defense spending. What I've often told Kep is that he errs in combining 1981-present as one total era. Its basically Reagan's time where he captured the narcissism of the Baby Boomers perfectly, and then it slowed down during the uneven Bush I Presidency where the Prez was a 100% plute who ran a racist election campaign, but who also raised taxes and signed some liberal legislation. Next era was Clinton's when the electoral map re-aligned to more or less its current state - CA for example firmly under the Dems and FL won for the first time in a generation befitting its now swing state status. Dems were free to raise taxes and pass expanded healthcare during this time, but everything depends on the fickle younger generations turning out. That's where we're still at. A few states have been traded (Dems aren't winning AR or LA anytime soon, but have picked up VA) but its a similar map and similar coalition.
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Yes, it is. The 23 trillion has affected me greatly. As it has every American. If you can't see that how can you call yourself a Democrat?
 
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Handyman said:
I was just going to say the same thing.
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They don't listen to non-Hollywood people either. Maybe if you found a farmer somewhere to do it it would resonate but I doubt it. I've had conversations with these people. They will ATTACK any messenger you provide them. Doesn't matter who it is.
 
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First Time said:
Why? Because people don't want to see famous people saying something? Screw em.
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Because who cares what a celebutard thinks?

You need to stick a face on a message? Then give me somebody capable of sentient thought. Give me a subject matter expert, a writer, a scientist, a policy researcher.

I do not care, ever, what somebody pretty or popular thinks. About anything. I care what smart people have to say when they've studied something.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Ok, if you include Reagan (which is why everyone says past 40 years, that includes Reagan) the Republicans, including him, have shifted the overton window much further to the right than the dems have to the left. Even after Reagan though the right wing narrative pretty much dominates the media's portrayal of things like immigration (this got substantially more regressive even under Obama), the budget (taxes are evil, "govt. doesn't work", "hOw wIlL wE pAy FoR iT!?!?!"), and national security (domestic spying, patriot act, Guantanamo). Even Dodd-Frank was gutted through bipartisanship just a decade after a financial crisis. At best we broke even post-Reagan and that's a stretch.
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We've come a long way, and I suspect I'm a bit older than you in order for me to be able to say that. I agree the media are lazy cowards but I'm not sure that's the Dems fault aside from them trusting the media to tell the truth for far too long. So, putting that aside we've at least broken even since Reagan's day. Defense spending is back up to his levels in real dollars after the last wasteful defense bill. Taxes I would think are higher especially after the surcharge that got put in to fund the ACA. There's more regulation (Sarbox, Dodd-Frank) and more healthcare coverage (CHiP, ACA). However voter suppression is back in vogue as the GOP has become less and less democratic than it was in Ronbo's day (as much as I disliked the man, I also can't picture him willingly accepting Russian help during an election).

The good news is the GOP is a cult run by an aging group of narcissists who got their way because they were the largest cohort of voters. Those people aren't going to last forever, and we aren't making as many new ones to replace them. Moving forward is the time to reverse the Reagan era of 1981-1989 in of itself, which is the next goal.
 
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First Time said:
Who cares what anyone thinks honestly?
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That obscurantism gets us climate denial.

Experts matter. In fact, they're the only people who do. Everybody else is just talking out of their as-s.

The denial of expertise in favor of common sense and the man in the street is just pandering to the numerous boobs who think they're smarter and better informed than they really are. You wanna say "f-ck them" to somebody so badly? Well, f-ck them! Not the people who actually know something. Those people we should sit down, shut up, and listen to. Science and peer review is the only thing that has ever worked. Everything else is either mysticism or sales.
 
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First Time said:
How has it?
Be specific.
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1% of the population expanding their wealth by billions and buying out democracy (you can guess who wanted Citizens United) has some pretty big consequences for our electoral system.
 
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First Time said:
How has it?
Be specific.
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That money is plowed right back into biasing policy in favor of the rich. That means bad things happen and as importantly it means an enormous opportunity cost for all the good things that don't happen.

You're basically arguing policy doesn't matter. That's almost as inane as arguing that expertise doesn't matter.

This has not been a good day for you.
 
The Rube said:
What a nice mature response. Can I start calling you (D)ufus?
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Wouldn't be the first one.

Why does the media label them that? Do these labels just spring up from nothing? Spontaneous generation? Immaculate conception?
 
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trixR4kids said:
1% of the population expanding their wealth by billions and buying out democracy (you can guess who wanted Citizens United) has some pretty big consequences for our electoral system.
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I don't see how that's a product of the national debt. They would have acted that way (buying favorable policies) regardless. The national debt is a product of a few things. People want gold plated services without having to pay for it. Back in the 80's and 90's the GOP did want to slash spending but realized the electoral consequences of actually doing so. So instead they threw in the towel on domestic spending and dedicated themselves to tax cuts on the 1%. Where Scooby is incorrect is his view that the deficit is entirely because of Republican priorities. The public demands it be this way as long as they never have to suffer the consequences. A lot of the ominous warnings of a high deficit (runaway inflation, devalued currency, etc) have never come to pass for various reasons, so while the voters give lip service to it they don't actually change their votes based on it. Scooby nor anybody else has actually been affected by it at this point in time.
 
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Rover said:
I don't see how that's a product of the national debt.
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It's the other way around! Tax avoidance by the rich led to both the debt and the explosion of inequality. The national debt basically is the money the rich haven't paid in taxes since 1981. Inequality is driven by both this and also all the policy choices the rich have foisted on the rest of us by owning Congress.

This isn't that hard, man. They paid fewer taxes so they kept more money so they had more money to bribe politicians so they paid fewer taxes.

Please don't tell me this is the first you've heard of this. It is the fiscal dynamic of the United States.
 
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Kepler said:
It's the other way around! Tax avoidance by the rich led to both the debt and the explosion of inequality. The national debt basically is the money the rich haven't paid in taxes since 1981. Inequality is driven by both this and also all the policy choices the rich have foisted on the rest of us by owning Congress.

This isn't that hard, man. They paid fewer taxes so they kept more money so they had more money to bribe politicians so they paid fewer taxes.

Please don't tell me this is the first you've heard of this. It is the fiscal dynamic of the United States.
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He doesn't get it. It's fascinating that he supports Warren. He should actually read her book. Nothing has happened for the people in the US documented in that book since FDR.

First Time said:
How has it?
Be specific.
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I don't want to get specific cause frankly some of my life I'd like to keep private. However, just read The Two Income Trap. It's all in there.
 
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