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Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
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POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
They were members at mookie’s country club in mass. Very good jobs indeed.
Yet you could wire and plumb your house after a little reading, especially if you know anything about electricity. Could an electrician spend an afternoon reading and then do your job at 1/3 efficiency?
A professional will be faster, but technology is reducing the skill level required (for example soldered copper for supply and cast iron with oakum and lead joints for drains => now mostly PEX and glued PVC)
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
Electricians are insured
. Kep isn’t
Electricians are insured
. Kep isn’t Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
Wireless tech will definitely affect the electrician trade. I was swinging a hammer in the early 80s and spent about 3 years working on the home of a HOF rocker in the Bay Area. The electrician was wiring the project as a "smart house," very high tech in those days in an area that was in love with electronic tech. The guy looked like the geek in chem lab, and he acted that way about his craft. I'm sure that system was out of date long ago and that the owner spent a small fortune updating the electronics from time to time. I'd also guess the electrician was eventually partially replaced by tech specialists.
Meanwhile, they had three welders--one primarily for artistic design and two guys burning rod, all making dam good money, port to port. Given what they designed and built, I'd guess they'd have to do it the same way if they did that job today.
Lots of carpenters, of course, from master level skill to guys like me. Carpenters are the artistic and industrial soul of our country.
Wireless tech will definitely affect the electrician trade. I was swinging a hammer in the early 80s and spent about 3 years working on the home of a HOF rocker in the Bay Area. The electrician was wiring the project as a "smart house," very high tech in those days in an area that was in love with electronic tech. The guy looked like the geek in chem lab, and he acted that way about his craft. I'm sure that system was out of date long ago and that the owner spent a small fortune updating the electronics from time to time. I'd also guess the electrician was eventually partially replaced by tech specialists.
Meanwhile, they had three welders--one primarily for artistic design and two guys burning rod, all making dam good money, port to port. Given what they designed and built, I'd guess they'd have to do it the same way if they did that job today.
Lots of carpenters, of course, from master level skill to guys like me. Carpenters are the artistic and industrial soul of our country.
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dxmnkd316
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There are a few things I’m smart enough to know to never do in the house: plumbing and electricity.
If you do it wrong, the first will cost you a lot of cash the second will cost you your life.
Things like HVAC, woodwork, flooring, painting, window treatments, drywall minus taping, and probably a bevy of others are easily fixed. But when it comes to things behind the walls or when multiple trades are involved, I’d rather pay someone to get it right. The guy who owned my house before me thought he was handy and knew how to do things. **** that. Every day I’m reminded that he was a moron.
Edit: Actually, you can add windows with plumbing. I’ve installed windows and sliding glass doors at habitat builds. I’d rather have peace of mind because sure you can learn to install them, but **** up and your framing is rotting out before you know it.
Taping drywall is another skill. Just pay someone to mud and tape.
I suppose doing minor electrical work like replacing an outlet or light switch is easy enough. But wiring up a house? Nah.
There are a few things I’m smart enough to know to never do in the house: plumbing and electricity.
If you do it wrong, the first will cost you a lot of cash the second will cost you your life.
Things like HVAC, woodwork, flooring, painting, window treatments, drywall minus taping, and probably a bevy of others are easily fixed. But when it comes to things behind the walls or when multiple trades are involved, I’d rather pay someone to get it right. The guy who owned my house before me thought he was handy and knew how to do things. **** that. Every day I’m reminded that he was a moron.
Edit: Actually, you can add windows with plumbing. I’ve installed windows and sliding glass doors at habitat builds. I’d rather have peace of mind because sure you can learn to install them, but **** up and your framing is rotting out before you know it.
Taping drywall is another skill. Just pay someone to mud and tape.
I suppose doing minor electrical work like replacing an outlet or light switch is easy enough. But wiring up a house? Nah.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
This is the dumbest post I’ve seen on this forum, and yes I’m including flaggy and Drew. No, you can not wire or plumb your own house and have it be up to code no matter how smart you think you are or how “easy it looks”.
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There's a reason both trades can charge a lot.
To get this back on track: I'd say trump is a bit of a do-it-yourselfer who has little or no expertise or skill and who is giving us mostly dead outlets and unvented drains. Let's hope he doesn't do worse harm before we replace him with someone competent.
This is the dumbest post I’ve seen on this forum, and yes I’m including flaggy and Drew. No, you can not wire or plumb your own house and have it be up to code no matter how smart you think you are or how “easy it looks”.
There's a reason both trades can charge a lot.
To get this back on track: I'd say trump is a bit of a do-it-yourselfer who has little or no expertise or skill and who is giving us mostly dead outlets and unvented drains. Let's hope he doesn't do worse harm before we replace him with someone competent.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
For one thing, mookie's right: part of what you pay for is that the electrician is bonded. That's not to be sneezed at when you burn your own house down or drown all your property because you tried to play Home Repair Guy.
But I strongly disagree that I could do as good a job on my house as an electrician. Leaving aside that I have the manual dexterity of a door stop and the E&M intuition of, well, a door stop, you're also paying for the electrician's experience from doing years of jobs and in particular their lessons learned from seeing the wiring decisions of their precursors. (In my experience electricians are like dentists: the first 20 minutes is explaining how the previous one f-cked up.)
For one thing, mookie's right: part of what you pay for is that the electrician is bonded. That's not to be sneezed at when you burn your own house down or drown all your property because you tried to play Home Repair Guy.
But I strongly disagree that I could do as good a job on my house as an electrician. Leaving aside that I have the manual dexterity of a door stop and the E&M intuition of, well, a door stop, you're also paying for the electrician's experience from doing years of jobs and in particular their lessons learned from seeing the wiring decisions of their precursors. (In my experience electricians are like dentists: the first 20 minutes is explaining how the previous one f-cked up.)
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sure you can. People do it all the time. At least here, a home owner can get their own electrical or plumbing permit, do the work, and have it inspected and signed off that it meets code.
If you can read, you can make sure it's up to code. The problem is the people that 1) don't bother reading the code and 2) don't get anything inspected
This is the dumbest post I’ve seen on this forum, and yes I’m including flaggy and Drew. No, you can not wire or plumb your own house and have it be up to code no matter how smart you think you are or how “easy it looks”.
sure you can. People do it all the time. At least here, a home owner can get their own electrical or plumbing permit, do the work, and have it inspected and signed off that it meets code.
If you can read, you can make sure it's up to code. The problem is the people that 1) don't bother reading the code and 2) don't get anything inspected
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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People also educate themselves on politics all the time. It's easy, you just turn on Rush.
90% of DIY is incompetently executed. I'll write the check, thanks.
People also educate themselves on politics all the time. It's easy, you just turn on Rush.
90% of DIY is incompetently executed. I'll write the check, thanks.
Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
In Maine, homeowners can get electrical permits and have their work inspected and signed off as being code compliant. If it's code compliant and inspected, you're probably not going to burn down your house (or void your homeowners insurance)
my whole point is that plumbing and electrical work isn't rocket science. It's not magic. What you're paying for is experience (speed), and for the hassle they have to go through to get licensed and insured.
In Maine, homeowners can get electrical permits and have their work inspected and signed off as being code compliant. If it's code compliant and inspected, you're probably not going to burn down your house (or void your homeowners insurance)
my whole point is that plumbing and electrical work isn't rocket science. It's not magic. What you're paying for is experience (speed), and for the hassle they have to go through to get licensed and insured.
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that's fine. I'm just saying don't overestimate the intelligence of the guy your paying (and especially the entry level guys he hires to do the actual work on a big project)
that's fine. I'm just saying don't overestimate the intelligence of the guy your paying (and especially the entry level guys he hires to do the actual work on a big project)
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Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
While you all are arguing here, Ivanka's creating millions of jobs!
While you all are arguing here, Ivanka's creating millions of jobs!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
That's what reviews and word-of-mouth are for. I fully agree that the certificate is not what you pay for, it's the experience. It's also the interest in the work. One reason I don't do home repair is I could not care less about home repair -- it's less interesting to me than a daytime soap opera. I would f-ck it up mostly because I'm incompetent but also because I'd rush the job just to be over with it.
I've watched the craftsmen who do the construction and refurb at my work. They give a sh-t about it. When one of them figures out a new way to do something, or when they run into a weird problem, they cluster around watching and talking like me in a philosophy seminar. It's their Thing. I pay for that -- I pay for the fact that they are interested in the work and they will do a good job because of it.
That's what reviews and word-of-mouth are for. I fully agree that the certificate is not what you pay for, it's the experience. It's also the interest in the work. One reason I don't do home repair is I could not care less about home repair -- it's less interesting to me than a daytime soap opera. I would f-ck it up mostly because I'm incompetent but also because I'd rush the job just to be over with it.
I've watched the craftsmen who do the construction and refurb at my work. They give a sh-t about it. When one of them figures out a new way to do something, or when they run into a weird problem, they cluster around watching and talking like me in a philosophy seminar. It's their Thing. I pay for that -- I pay for the fact that they are interested in the work and they will do a good job because of it.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Well sure, her wealth reflects that.
Well sure, her wealth reflects that.
rufus
rock and roller
The problem is making sure you hire the one who spends the 20 minutes telling you how the other guy f-cked up, and not hiring the other guy
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Did you see where she said “people want to work for what they have” in opposition to the green new deal.
Then she went back to work at the job that daddy gave her
Re: POTUS 45:49: SNL Sucks. They're the real Collusion. 25th Amendment Them!!!!!!
in some cases the licensing process is designed to discourage people from taking up the trade in order to reduce competition. In some cities the trades are powerful enough to have code written to require things like cast iron DWV plumbing (no PVS or ABS) to make it harder for DIY people to be code-compliant
a good plumber or electrician is worth what they charge, but there are also licensed ones that do ****ty work and aren't worth what they are paid. That being said, it's certainly possible for a homeowner with a high-school level understanding of physics and the ability to read, to do safe work.
in some cases the licensing process is designed to discourage people from taking up the trade in order to reduce competition. In some cities the trades are powerful enough to have code written to require things like cast iron DWV plumbing (no PVS or ABS) to make it harder for DIY people to be code-compliant
a good plumber or electrician is worth what they charge, but there are also licensed ones that do ****ty work and aren't worth what they are paid. That being said, it's certainly possible for a homeowner with a high-school level understanding of physics and the ability to read, to do safe work.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Honestly, to me it is magic. What else is magic but technique that is beyond your ability no matter how hard you try? That's what that stuff is to me. I would (foolishly) give professional level mathematics or history or even rocket science a shot with a gun to my head. I would figure, "Well, look. I'm not an idiot. This stuff is fascinating to me. Perhaps I can feel my way through the teaching tools and then the praxis because I have good instincts, I am familiar with this type of logical and methodical thinking, and because I sincerely care."
But when I watch say the guys who put up houses I'm in the presence of stuff I couldn't do in a million years -- I just don't have that in me. So: it is magic to me as much as watching Jake deGrom pitch.
Honestly, to me it is magic. What else is magic but technique that is beyond your ability no matter how hard you try? That's what that stuff is to me. I would (foolishly) give professional level mathematics or history or even rocket science a shot with a gun to my head. I would figure, "Well, look. I'm not an idiot. This stuff is fascinating to me. Perhaps I can feel my way through the teaching tools and then the praxis because I have good instincts, I am familiar with this type of logical and methodical thinking, and because I sincerely care."
But when I watch say the guys who put up houses I'm in the presence of stuff I couldn't do in a million years -- I just don't have that in me. So: it is magic to me as much as watching Jake deGrom pitch.
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