POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College

[trixR4kids]

Unfettered global Capitalism will destroy the planet. We're close now. We get closer every day.

Fixed. This is why we’re seeing the wave of fascism in a number of countries recently including Brazil, Poland, potentially France, and there’s probably a few I’m not remembering. It’s almost like having very little push back and not proposing any real solutions to the systemic problems of capitalism results in fascism, who knew!?

 

[alfablue]

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As for wage disparity, that is a factor. But add more people with a finite amount of property, that drives up prices, too. Probably faster than wage increases, but don't quote me on that.

It was actually faster than the wage increases, then the situation in Seattle and San Francisco would have happened a long time ago. Yet it really, really got going when the tech industry brought huge money into the area. Especially recently in Seattle.

You also asked about long commutes- people, in fact, do that. But if there was much better public transport systems available, both low and high wage people could commute a LOT easier. BART is great, in certain directions. But not down to Silicon Valley. And there's nothing significant in Seattle.

On the other hand, New York City has gone through this many times, and they manage to mix high and affordable rent places on a tiny island of Manhattan. The much more extensive subway there has done a lot to help, as have specific rent laws.

Heck, metro New York has always been massively crowded, and with HUGE wages, and somehow they are not nearly as bad as Seattle and San Jose.

And since New York has much less land and many more people, that kind of puts a lid on your argument, quite a bit.

 

[alfablue]

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I strongly agree with this. Even in Maine there isn’t tons of easily buildable land left. In order to build housing on a mass scale you would need to relax environmental standards which I certainly wouldn’t want to do and I’m sure a lot of others feel the same way. As the planet gets warmer there probably will be a lot of people moving further north which will put more pressure on states like Maine.

Do you really live in Maine?

Do you REALLY think there's no place to build? Seriously?

In terms of population vs. land area, Maine is 44th out of 56 (states plus territories). Michigan is 24th, and we have way more than enough space to welcome people to our state.

There's hardly a space problem with Maine. More like a problem with other people than space.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Fixed. This is why we’re seeing the wave of fascism in a number of countries recently including Brazil, Poland, potentially France, and there’s probably a few I’m not remembering. It’s almost like having very little push back and not proposing any real solutions to the systemic problems of capitalism results in fascism, who knew!?

That's fair. I'll accept the fix. However, the US is either leading or following along and that's not good for anyone.

 

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College

Fixed. This is why we’re seeing the wave of fascism in a number of countries recently including Brazil, Poland, potentially France, and there’s probably a few I’m not remembering. It’s almost like having very little push back and not proposing any real solutions to the systemic problems of capitalism results in fascism, who knew!?

And how global capitalism is leaning so hard on communist labor world wide is rather interesting.

But at the moment, the fact that the capitalist dream of opportunity is totally lost on so many people, one certainly can question that model of doing stuff.

 

[St. Clown]

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I don’t care what color they are, I’m not super excited about the prospect of a US population growing to 400+million. Our cities are already unaffordable and you know people aren’t going to move to rural areas. Sprawl is also destroying the character of many places.

I wish we could come up with an economic model that didn’t require constant growth. For the sake of the planet we should be downsizing our population, but it’s just not possible without economic collapse.

The Latinos moving into MN are actually moving into the smaller towns, where the agricultural industries are located. And while they do have some racial blow back from the old townies, most have been welcoming the immigrants because their towns were otherwise dying with the younger generations moving to the Twin Cities.

 

[The Rube]

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It was actually faster than the wage increases, then the situation in Seattle and San Francisco would have happened a long time ago. Yet it really, really got going when the tech industry brought huge money into the area. Especially recently in Seattle.

You also asked about long commutes- people, in fact, do that. But if there was much better public transport systems available, both low and high wage people could commute a LOT easier. BART is great, in certain directions. But not down to Silicon Valley. And there's nothing significant in Seattle.

On the other hand, New York City has gone through this many times, and they manage to mix high and affordable rent places on a tiny island of Manhattan. The much more extensive subway there has done a lot to help, as have specific rent laws.

Heck, metro New York has always been massively crowded, and with HUGE wages, and somehow they are not nearly as bad as Seattle and San Jose.

And since New York has much less land and many more people, that kind of puts a lid on your argument, quite a bit.

NYC has also had mass public transit since day 1. Mpls...not so much. Trying to install light rail this late in the game is an issue (as MPLS has seen). I can't even imagine the issues if Mpls tried to start up a subway system. Light rail might eventually get there, but there is no comparison to be had between these two cities.

For residences, it's simply supply and demand. Who wants (or at least can put up with) a long commute? I don't. While I pay a very fair rent, I could pay prob 20-30% less if I decided I wanted a 30-40 mile commute and live in the sticks. I don't want that for a couple reasons:
1. I don't want to spend an hour+ on the road going to/from work.
2. My last two vehicle choices would have been vastly different, due to MPG. I have a short enough commute where gas prices/MPG are not an issue. FTR, my Wrangler got about 16/gallon in the city, my Camaro gets about 20/gallon in the city. Add to that, maintenance costs driving longer distances since that would shorten a vehicle's life...outside factors do matter.

There are a LOT of factors that go into residence pricing. It's not simply a mortgage/rent cost.

 

[Jimjamesak]

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And there's nothing significant in Seattle.

Not true, they've built and are expanding their light rail system significantly. By 2024 Seattle should have most of their suburbs covered by light rail, plus they already have a significant bus system in place.

 

[Handyman]

Yes, Chicken Little. The Democrats looked like they had Virginia locked up for life. Possibly flipped all the way. Then their entire leadership in Virginia poured gas over themselves and lit a match.

Never underestimate what can happen in America.

And the suburbs will still go blue in the next election.

Will someone take Scooby's shoelaces away...

 

[burd]

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The Latinos moving into MN are actually moving into the smaller towns, where the agricultural industries are located. And while they do have some racial blow back from the old townies, most have been welcoming the immigrants because their towns were otherwise dying with the younger generations moving to the Twin Cities.

I don't know about Minnesota, but small Wisconsin towns like the one I live in (dairy country) are generally welcoming to Latinos, but they are definitely not dying without them due to migration to big cities. Young people definitely leave for other places, and now that includes other continents, but many are coming in as well. I'm 50 minutes from Madison, far enough so I'd say we are rural. Some but not many locals work there.

But I definitely agree with your basic point that the primary reason small towns in farm country welcome Latinos is economic. The good thing is, though, that once minority groups began to integrate, the reasons for acceptance expand to include personal relationships and experiences.

 

[Handyman]

Not true, they've built and are expanding their light rail system significantly. By 2024 Seattle should have most of their suburbs covered by light rail, plus they already have a significant bus system in place.

Yeah Seattle mass transit rocks. Made commuting when I lived there a breeze.

 

[Drew S.]

Do you really live in Maine?

Do you REALLY think there's no place to build? Seriously?

In terms of population vs. land area, Maine is 44th out of 56 (states plus territories). Michigan is 24th, and we have way more than enough space to welcome people to our state.

There's hardly a space problem with Maine. More like a problem with other people than space.

I really do, and I’m really from here as well. I unfortunately had to spend some time away(school and work), but those days are now behind me.

If you re-read my post the issue isn’t that we don’t have land, we have millions of acres of it, the issue is that right now there isn’t a lot of land that is easily buildable. Now if you’re willing to bulldoze woodlands and fill in wetlands there can be unlimited places to build, but that carries a heavy price both financially and environmentally. Not to mention our infrastructure would have to be upgraded.

 

[rufus]

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Yeah Seattle mass transit rocks. Made commuting when I lived there a breeze.

"So. It's a train."

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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"Public transportation? You mean I have to ride next to people? Every day? Ewwwww..."

-70% of white Americans

 

[Kepler]

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You mean I have to ride next to people? Every day? Ewwwww..."

Well, have you met them?

I don't even like sitting next to people on the Metro orange line, and they all bathe.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, it happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for President, talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow, ice and freezing temperatures. Bad timing. By the end of her speech she looked like a Snowman(woman)!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094718856197799936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[alfablue]

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I really do, and I’m really from here as well. I unfortunately had to spend some time away(school and work), but those days are now behind me.

If you re-read my post the issue isn’t that we don’t have land, we have millions of acres of it, the issue is that right now there isn’t a lot of land that is easily buildable. Now if you’re willing to bulldoze woodlands and fill in wetlands there can be unlimited places to build, but that carries a heavy price both financially and environmentally. Not to mention our infrastructure would have to be upgraded.

No, that's an excuse to be scared of people taking over your position.

Nobody lives in Maine, there's plenty of space. Good for the compounds people like you think you need. And if you look up your own statistics, you will see that nobody is moving to Maine, too.

So you've managed to scare off migrants.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, it happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for President, talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow, ice and freezing temperatures. Bad timing. By the end of her speech she looked like a Snowman(woman)!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094718856197799936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hi, my name is Donald Trump and I am a ****ing moron.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Honestly, the more he keeps up the stupid Tweets, the better. He will tank the Dem hopefuls who deserve to be tanked (Booker, Warren), while looking like a fool to all but the 35% who will vote for him no matter what.

 

[Drew S.]

No, that's an excuse to be scared of people taking over your position.

Nobody lives in Maine, there's plenty of space. Good for the compounds people like you think you need. And if you look up your own statistics, you will see that nobody is moving to Maine, too.

So you've managed to scare off migrants.

I’d like to see more young, hard working people move to the state, no matter what their race. It’s not a cheap place to live though and if we had a large influx housing would be hard to add quickly.