POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

And my thing is that I don't want to throw billions of dollars at preventing "bad hombres" from entering the country when there doesn't seem to be a single bit of rational evidence that "bad hombres" are actually a problem worth worrying about.

I can understand that, but anyone crossing without going through the process is breaking the law. I don't care how minor an offense it is, and they could be angels. Don't break the law unless you are going to pay the consequences. I am NOT part of the "bad hombre" crowd, believe me. That's some propaganda BS. However, there are processes that need to be followed.

 

[jerphisch]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Building a wall is now a compromise. jfc

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

I think there needs to be some mechanism to prevent bad people from getting into the country. I'll admit that a physical wall probably isn't a good idea. However, I do think a wall consisting of a physical wall where feasible/logical coupled with a virtual wall consisting of increased Border Patrol (or other security type options) may be a decent way to prevent bad people from getting into the country. I'm all ears though if people have other suggestions. Again, the wall portion of the proposal was more of a way to satisfy that mechanism to prevent bad people from getting into the country.

What bad people?

 

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Again, that's a fair point, but I don't think we would be able to really make such determinations until after the implementation of the Immigration Centers. So, I think the proposal would be modified to: (1) Build Immigration Centers for new immigrants; (2) Current "illegal" immigrants report and get cleared; (3) Determine to what extent people are trying to evade Immigration Centers; (4) Use new tax revenue from former "illegals" and new immigrants to implement appropriate mechanism to address (3).

You on board?

No. It is a colossal waste of time and money and there is < .01% chance current "illegals" would report for fear of deportation.

Prove to me there is a statistically significant number of "bad hombres" and I will reconsider. Since no one can (and since locals are much more likely to commit crimes) I say "no thanks" but appreciate the effort.

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

No. It is a colossal waste of time and money and there is < .01% chance current "illegals" would report for fear of deportation.

Prove to me there is a statistically significant number of "bad hombres" and I will reconsider. Since no one can (and since locals are much more likely to commit crimes) I say "no thanks" but appreciate the effort.

Since the current influx of immigrants (illegal or not) are not reporting, than one cannot say statistically that the majority are not "bad hombres."

 

[mookie1995]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Since the current influx of immigrants (illegal or not) are not reporting, than one cannot say statistically that the majority are not "bad hombres."

at least they are reporting to the janitors closet to clean office toilets!!

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

No. It is a colossal waste of time and money and there is < .01% chance current "illegals" would report for fear of deportation.

Prove to me there is a statistically significant number of "bad hombres" and I will reconsider. Since no one can (and since locals are much more likely to commit crimes) I say "no thanks" but appreciate the effort.

I love how you pull a number out of your *** to back up your thought, but I need to prove to you a statistically significant number before you would reconsider.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Building a wall is now a compromise. jfc

Tear the ****ing statue down and send it back.

 

[BassAle]

I would think the increased tax revenue would more than cover the costs of the "wall." But, I could be completely wrong. I have not seen/performed an economic analysis of what revenue would be generated by adding 10+ million tax payers to the system.

Lol


It’s estimated 50-75 of undocumented workers pay federal and state income tax and social security payroll taxes.

 

[alfablue]

I love how you pull a number out of your *** to back up your thought, but I need to prove to you a statistically significant number before you would reconsider.

Since you are the one who wants to spend money, it’s more up to you to prove that it’s needed.

Again, if you want to prevent people from coming, a far better way to spend money is to help the local situation so that they don’t NEED to leave. That goes for Central America as well as Asia and Eastern Europe.

People come here because of the opportunity to make their lives better. That’s it. It’s funny that so many people are adamant to call it illegal, when it is roughy the same as a federal crime for speeding or jaywalking. I sure hope you are living to the standards you want for others.

One other question about these “centers”, would they have gotten ANY of the 9/11 perps? You know, the ones from Saudi Arabia that we like so much... if not, then what’s the point?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Meanwhile in the real world.

Mexico Says Trump Lied About Securing A Border Deal And Nothing Has Been Agreed Upon

News regarding the migrant caravan slowed to a halt once the midterm elections had ended. That changed this week as Donald Trump claimed all migrants will stay in Mexico until their claims are processed.

Trump’s statement led many to believe that the United States had reached an informal deal with Mexico regarding refugee processing. It now appears that Mexico is backtracking and no deal was ever made.

The Washington Post quoted Mexican domestic policy adviser Olga Sánchez Cordero as saying, “For now, we have agreed to this policy of Remain in Mexico.”

The White House celebrated the agreement as a sign of an improving relationship with Mexico. White House Spokesperson Hogan Gidley said, “President Trump has developed a strong relationship with the incoming Lopez Obrador Administration, and we look forward to working with them on a wide range of issues.”

Sánchez Cordero is now claiming no agreement was ever made. Since Lopez Obrador will not be taking office until December 1st, his administration is unable to make deals.

The domestic policy adviser told Reuters. “There is no agreement of any sort between the incoming Mexican government and the U.S. government.”

Trump has been quite vocal about the caravan as some of the group has now reached the US/Mexico border. He even railed against the migrants during Thanksgiving’s customary call to US soldiers serving overseas.

Yesterday Trump threatened that the US will take any and all steps to prevent the migrants from entering the country. He tweeted, “our very strong policy is Catch and Detain. No “Releasing” into the U.S… All will stay in Mexico. If for any reason it becomes necessary, we will CLOSE our Southern Border. There is no way that the United States will, after decades of abuse, put up with this costly and dangerous situation anymore!”

The White House will need to go back to the drawing board with Mexico as Trump currently has no agreement in place to back up these claims.

https://hillreporter.com/mexico-says-trump-lied-about-securing-border-deal-15481

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

No. It is a colossal waste of time and money and there is < .01% chance current "illegals" would report for fear of deportation.

This plan is equivalent to the detective who says to the person of interest, "Look, you aren't under arrest sir, but if you could just come down to the station, we've got a few things we'd like to clear up..."

No thanks, you'd better get a warrant.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Lol


It’s estimated 50-75 of undocumented workers pay federal and state income tax and social security payroll taxes.

Which leaves 25-50% left to recoup...not to mention the millions of likely new immigrants that would be added.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Since you are the one who wants to spend money, it’s more up to you to prove that it’s needed.

Again, if you want to prevent people from coming, a far better way to spend money is to help the local situation so that they don’t NEED to leave. That goes for Central America as well as Asia and Eastern Europe.

People come here because of the opportunity to make their lives better. That’s it. It’s funny that so many people are adamant to call it illegal, when it is roughy the same as a federal crime for speeding or jaywalking. I sure hope you are living to the standards you want for others.

One other question about these “centers”, would they have gotten ANY of the 9/11 perps? You know, the ones from Saudi Arabia that we like so much... if not, then what’s the point?

I dont want to prevent people from coming into the country. Quite the opposite. I think robust immigration is part of what makes America great.

 

[alfablue]

Which leaves 25-50% left to recoup...not to mention the millions of likely new immigrants that would be added.

Why so much focus on getting money from the poor? Especially now that we have given the rich billions of dollars of tax breaks.,,

Raise the SS and Medicare limit to $200k and the illegal contributon would not be noticed. But we seem to have a fixation with “who deserves” vs just being humane.

 

[alfablue]

I dont want to prevent people from coming into the country. Quite the opposite. I think robust immigration is part of what makes America great.

But you want to spend many billions of dollars filtering them out. Prove that we really need a better filter.

We KNOW that migrants do work that citizens do not want to do. And there are so many jobs, people come illegally.

Why constrain the economy?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

I don't see a need for a physical border wall here in the 21st century. Why would we do that with all of the surveillance technology at our disposal?

Drones could solve a large part of the issues with building and maintaining a physical wall in sparsely inhabited areas.

I know some far-righties argue that increased patrols can be reversed by future Dem administrations and that's why they want a physical barrier, but it's really a bunch of hooey parroted by hate radio to scare them.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

But you want to spend many billions of dollars filtering them out. Prove that we really need a better filter.

We KNOW that migrants do work that citizens do not want to do. And there are so many jobs, people come illegally.

Why constrain the economy?

As I said last night, I would modify my proposal to align the mechanism designed to prevent bad people from coming into the country with the actual threat of such bad people. If there was no such threat, no such mechanism would be needed.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Why so much focus on getting money from the poor? Especially now that we have given the rich billions of dollars of tax breaks.,,

Raise the SS and Medicare limit to $200k and the illegal contributon would not be noticed. But we seem to have a fixation with “who deserves” vs just being humane.

Quite the contrary. I would want them in the system so they could actually receive the benefits that they pay for. The 50-75% that pay in now dont even get to realize many of the benefits that they contribute towards.

As for tax policy, I am fully on board with jacking up the top end rates...but that is a somewhat different issue than what the proposal is trying to address.

 

[alfablue]

As I said last night, I would modify my proposal to align the mechanism designed to prevent bad people from coming into the country with the actual threat of such bad people. If there was no such threat, no such mechanism would be needed.

How would drones have helped keep the Saudi terroists out? They have been the worst of the worst.

Otherwise, the rate of criminals is highest with citizens, second with legal immigrants, and lowest with illegal. If we do a Pareto chart for where to put our efforts and how much, one should not be focusing on the lowest effect.