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POTUS 45.43: The Caravan is Coming. Fear the Caravan.

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5mn_Major said:
Again, the ideal solution is to make immigrant worker programs that mimic illegal immigration (GOP won't do it), if not enforce laws against companies (GOP hasn't done it effectively)...and regardless know that the GOP want to keep the status quo and stoke fear for political purposes.

Folks must understand this is all on the GOP.
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Why would you enforce laws against your own constituents?
 
Brenthoven said:
To tell the truth, I was actually surprised at how tough Canada's immigrant application was.
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They don’t want Americans moving there for healthcare. Imagine you wanted to retire early before you can get Medicare here. You’d save a ton by moving to Canada and not having to pay for health insurance.

You get points in the Canadian immigration system for being educated and young (assuming you’ll make more and pay more taxes because you’re educated, and you’ll be in the workforce paying taxes longer because you’re younger). You also get points for speaking English and French.

As a liberal that wants our government to be slightly more “Canadian”, I recognize that we need immigration reform. If we have better social benefits, then there likely needs to be more control over who can immigrate and benefit from them. If we have more jobs than workers, or we have a skill gap, then we need immigrants with certain skills. However, we need to keep immigration policy in-tune with economic needs.
 
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BassAle said:
They don’t want Americans moving there for healthcare. Imagine you wanted to retire early before you can get Medicare here. You’d save a ton by moving to Canada and not having to pay for health insurance.

You get points in the Canadian immigration system for being educated and young (assuming you’ll make more and pay more taxes because you’re educated, and you’ll be in the workforce paying taxes longer because you’re younger). You also get points for speaking English and French.

As a liberal that wants our government to be slightly more “Canadian”, I recognize that we need immigration reform. If we have better social benefits, then there likely needs to be more control over who can immigrate and benefit from them. If we have more jobs than workers, or we have a skill gap, then we need immigrants with certain skills. However, we need to keep immigration policy in-tune with economic needs.
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It's called a documented guest worker program. Something we do not have.
 
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rufus said:
Fact checking Red Don's boasts about the economy.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-economy-sectors-20181104-story.html

Basically, as he always does, he's taking credit for things that began before his term, or are just the product of traditional economic cycles.
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With what they've one all we need is a nice normal every day recession and we're ****ed. And, what are the chances we just have a nice normal one?
 
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And as usual, Duncan Black nails it.

https://www.eschatonblog.com/2018/11/a-time-to-compromise.html#disqus_thread

One of the not remarked upon enough things about the last couple of years is that on some issues - immigration in particular - Trump has been making it sound as if Democrats were preventing Congress from doing "something." Obviously it isn't entirely clear what "something" is, other than money for "the wall," but Mr. Deals is always complaining that the Dems won't give him whatever it is he wants. Of course a bit of knowledge that only deep political insiders have is that Actually, the Republicans control both houses of Congress, and that it isn't even the Senate, where in theory the minority can obstruct things a bit, which is causing problems.

If the Dems do actually take the House (or even the Senate!) the usual press calls for them to compromise with Republicans, which involves giving the Republicans as much baby cage money as they ask for, will return. Because those are the rules.
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And if they did, Drew and Sicatoka still wouldn't vote for them.
 
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https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article220995535.html

We could lose it all. We could lose our country here.

Maybe you think that’s alarmist. But anyone who is sanguine about America’s future has not been paying attention to America’s present.

Let’s take an episode from last week as an instructive example. As you will recall, our regrettable president claimed the power, at his sole discretion, to overturn the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Which is patently absurd. That’s not the way America works. A president cannot declare some part of the Constitution — the Constitution! — null and void on his authority. Only dictators can do that.

But if this guy thinks he has that power, what else might he think he can do? Knowing him as we do, is it far-fetched to imagine a scenario where he gins up some fake crisis in 2020 and uses it to postpone the election? Or is it inconceivable that, having lost that election, he refuses to surrender power, claiming the process was “rigged?”

So yes, we could, indeed, lose our country here. And not just because of him, but also because of us — how he has changed us.
Can you imagine for a moment the explosive uproar that would have ensued had any other president made such a tyrannical — not to say fascistic — claim? If Obama had done it, Sean Hannity would’ve had a stroke, live on air. And he’d have been justified and would not have been alone. It would have been the story of the year. Opprobrium would have rained down like bricks.

But not with this guy. Under him we live with routine chaos, ordinary outrage, normal abnormality. Infants are stolen from parents, the Army is sent against refugees, America dishonors its agreements, kicks its friends and caresses its foes, while this truth-challenged man insists we’re not seeing what we’re seeing, that white is black, up is left and 2+2 = marshmallows. And it’s just another day in the life. We are inured.

Now some nonvoter wants to know what politicians are going to do for us? Wrong question. Tuesday is about what we do for ourselves, for our country. It is about whether those of us who see this madness for what it is acquiesce to it or whether, like the guy in Rockwell’s painting, we stand up and speak out. It shouldn’t be a hard choice.

If you find this calamity unacceptable, make your case.
If you think we should be better than this, raise your voice.
If you are disgusted and appalled, make yourself heard.
Because we could absolutely lose America. Or, we could save it.
What do you say?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RNC chair defends 'sickening' ad, blames Democrats for GOP's violent rhetoric on immigration <a href="https://t.co/wVIFjCDTqn">https://t.co/wVIFjCDTqn</a> <a href="https://t.co/PUUgchJVxP">pic.twitter.com/PUUgchJVxP</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1059133191032897536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RNC chair defends 'sickening' ad, blames Democrats for GOP's violent rhetoric on immigration <a href="https://t.co/wVIFjCDTqn">https://t.co/wVIFjCDTqn</a> <a href="https://t.co/PUUgchJVxP">pic.twitter.com/PUUgchJVxP</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1059133191032897536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Yeah, she's blaming Democrats for not coming to the table on immigration. It's pretty amazing how when it's Republicans in power the Democrats are supposed to bend over and when it's the Democrats in power the Democrats have to compromise. That's one hell of a load of bull**** these people shovel.

And, that RNC Chair is a real ****ing piece of work.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, she's blaming Democrats for not coming to the table on immigration. It's pretty amazing how when it's Republicans in power the Democrats are supposed to bend over and when it's the Democrats in power the Democrats have to compromise. That's one hell of a load of bull**** these people shovel.

And, that RNC Chair is a real ****ing piece of work.
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That is the argument my dad and I get in. He always talks about how he doesnt support Dems much any more because they never compromise. Then I point out the GOP never compromises to which he agrees. I then ask him why he thinks one side should be forced to compromise when the other wont even discuss it.

Now in his defense he wants the Dems to compromise because he thinks they should be the adults to the GOP's whiny children but it still makes no sense to me. Yet half the country believes it wholeheartedly.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, she's blaming Democrats for not coming to the table on immigration. It's pretty amazing how when it's Republicans in power the Democrats are supposed to bend over and when it's the Democrats in power the Democrats have to compromise. That's one hell of a load of bull**** these people shovel.

And, that RNC Chair is a real ****ing piece of work.
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JUST ask drew. He’s real close to finally voting democrat! They just need to let everyone discriminate against minorities and hand out guns at Halloween.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
This will end well.

“A number of civilian militia groups are reportedly forming their own "caravan" and heading to the US-Mexico border to "offer aid" to immigration authorities as Central American migrants make their way toward the US.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/4...rGR_7Jp1kFbYU6ZhP00&__twitter_impression=true
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If someone throws a rock they will definitely empty a clip.

Drew approves...
 
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aparch said:
Cliven Bundy rides again!
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Isnt like his cousin running for Governor of Nevada as a third party candidate? (or a friend or something) Be funny if that tool was the reason Nevada went Blue :D
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2018 midterms: Montana men mow "FU45" into a field in Air Force One's flight path as Trump arrives in the state <a href="https://t.co/u5yRLS9mCo">https://t.co/u5yRLS9mCo</a> <a href="https://t.co/t8onH5Wu7S">pic.twitter.com/t8onH5Wu7S</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1059181031973179392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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