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POTUS 45.40: If You Need a Lawyer, Don't Hire Michael Cohen

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jerphisch said:
That is you *****ing about people *****ing, just like I said. It's funny how you weren't this upset about people *****ing about Obama...
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alfablue said:
This is different than the Obama bowing incident. This is the president telling us that standing during the national anthem is so important that you should be fired for not doing it, but at the same time it's ok to not honor a war vet, tortured POW, who went on to be a Senator, and then POTUS nominee.

So it's not about *****ing about the moron in the White House, it's showing what kind of hypocrite he is. He's happier that a political rival in his own party is dead than wants to honor a person. Look at his 100% silence over being asked directly about it yesterday.

How does that not say something about his (lack of) character?
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Look, if you guys want to continue to look as stupid, petty and trivial as Trump did on the national anthem issue or Obama critics did in the bowing incident, by all means continue. My point was and continues to be that in the grand scheme of things, whether a flag was or was not lowered to half staff is pretty darn insignificant. But by all means, continue to make it your cause celebre.
 
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SJHovey said:
The guy was a war hero and long time Senator back when he was running for President and you guys pizzed on him all the time.

Now you really have me curious what would have happened if the minute McCain had died Trump started lavishing praise on him, started planning for an elaborate celebration of his career, etc... You guys would probably be all like, "Oh, he was ok, but he was a flawed man." Trump has been the best thing that McCain could have wished for in terms of his legacy.
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Sarcastic answers
- I would have believed someone sedated tRump and took over his electronics
- I would have thought maybe Anonymous hacked his accounts
-I would have breathed a sigh of relief thinking we have re-entered the real Universe from the Alternate Universe we have lived in since tRump was elected

Serious answers-
- First, knowing his personality disorders, I would have not believed he could stay the course of heaping praise on someone others respected more than him. I would be waiting for something to derail him. People with his psych diagnoses may attempt to do what they figure others think is socially acceptable---if they think it will get them what they want. They but can rarely sustain normal behaviour because they don't understand, on a basic level, why the behaviour is the right thing to do.
- I maintain the same opinion of McCain as I had before tRump came on the scene- He was flawed but he seemed to be capable of being so with some civility and class. I was ready to vote for him until he sold out the the crazies and picked Palin. I continued to hold out hope he would come to his senses since then. He had flashes of doing things right tempered with flashes of trying to play to the kind of people I do not respect.
-McCain's status has been elevated because comparing him to a social misfit who is nasty and vindictive makes his flaws much less impressive. If he was being compared to other 'heros' then maybe his flaws would be more visible (although most people try not to vilify the dead immediately after they die). Simply put- the current president is so horrifyingly bad, so full of self interest, has so little integrity, is willing to behave in such an unethical and amoral way that, short of being Satan himself, just about anyone looks good.
 
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SJHovey said:
My point was and continues to be that in the grand scheme of things, whether a flag was or was not lowered to half staff is pretty darn insignificant.
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When was the last time that after the death of a standing member of Congress the WH flag was not lowered?

You're right this wasn't a giant tsunami, not a suicide bombing, etc., but our POTUS - who should be a beacon of decorum and respect - just took a dump on a well-respected man (that is in the national spotlight following his passing) because he's a petulant child.

If Obama had done this I'd be the second one to criticize him and you'd be the first.
 
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SJHovey said:
Look, if you guys want to continue to look as stupid, petty and trivial as Trump did on the national anthem issue or Obama critics did in the bowing incident, by all means continue. My point was and continues to be that in the grand scheme of things, whether a flag was or was not lowered to half staff is pretty darn insignificant. But by all means, continue to make it your cause celebre.
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It isn't the flag but what the action symbolizes. The anthem thing is petty, the bowing thing was petty. The problem here is the disrespect for someone at a time when most normal people would suspend hostilities. Even when our country's arch enemies have died we have managed to maintain some sort of decorum. The Prez can't even pretend to have a modicum of civility and decency. He's using this as a signal to all those in the Faux news crowd who are now practicing revisionist history to dishonor a respected Senator. Until this excuse for a human came along they practically deified McCain. One thing to say what you disagreed on (I could list multiple things) but another to give credence to the wackos
 
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Slap Shot said:
If Obama had done this I'd be the second one to criticize him and you'd be the first.
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In the twenty years I've posted here I think I made one critical post about Obama. I posted that I disagreed with his extensive use of executive orders to essentially establish law. I'm pretty sure his directives regarding the position of government flags would have passed by me without comment.
 
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Jesus Christ, the man's an imbecile.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-abe-remember-pearl-harbor

During an economic discussion between President Trump and the Japanese prime minister in June, Trump raised Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor in an attempt to negotiate a bilateral trade deal complimentary to the U.S.


“I remember Pearl Harbor,” Trump told Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
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SJHovey said:
In the twenty years I've posted here I think I made one critical post about Obama. I posted that I disagreed with his extensive use of executive orders to essentially establish law. I'm pretty sure his directives regarding the position of government flags would have passed by me without comment.
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Your posting history notwithstanding I'm sure you'd have a negative opinion of it.
 
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SJHovey said:
Look, if you guys want to continue to look as stupid, petty and trivial as Trump did on the national anthem issue or Obama critics did in the bowing incident, by all means continue. My point was and continues to be that in the grand scheme of things, whether a flag was or was not lowered to half staff is pretty darn insignificant. But by all means, continue to make it your cause celebre.
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F U.

If you don't care about what dumpy did, why do you care so much about what other people think about it? What kind of windmills are you trying to take down?

What ever happened to respect?

Geez- people complain all the time about the tone of discourse, and how people are treating each other, and when the President does something a jerk would do, you take offense that people call him out on it? Sorry, but that's weak.

BTW, given how it's being covered, I certainly don't feel stupid that I'm bringing it up.

Back to you hovey- how ironic that you care so much about how other people interpret what dumpy does. You claim to think that it's not a big deal, but you make it a big deal for people who bring it up. That's pretty funny. And stupid. If you don't wan't people to bring it up, don't keep bringing it up. Just ignore others.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'm sure SJHovey sees no issue here.
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Right, words don't matter, and how you treat other people isn't important.

Funny thing is that dumpy supporters at work seem to think he can say whatever he wants, regardless of how other people deal with it, as long as he doesn't actually do anything about it. Such as the press being the enemy- he can say it, and i'm sure when there's a shooting another shooting at a news place, it will still be ok.

And we know people like hovey don't give a crap about how we should treat vets- that's entirely up to each of us.
 
SJHovey said:
Look, if you guys want to continue to look as stupid, petty and trivial as Trump did on the national anthem issue or Obama critics did in the bowing incident, by all means continue. My point was and continues to be that in the grand scheme of things, whether a flag was or was not lowered to half staff is pretty darn insignificant. But by all means, continue to make it your cause celebre.
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I agree. It’s just another piece of evidence that trump is a petty *******, but it’s not a big deal. Things like selling mining and drilling rights in land formerly designated as national monuments (Bears Ears and Grand Staircase) will have consequences forever. Same with gutting the EPA. Or ignoring climate change.

Don’t get distracted by the petty ****.
 
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So to words- just saw on a CNN report that dumpy thinks there will be violence if the Democrats win the mid-term election.

As if the win will make Antifa raise up and hurt people. Vs. the good people in the white power movement that killed a women a year ago.

What a tool this guy is. If anything is hurting the country, it's the idea that acting like him is ok, since he's their leader.
 
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St. Clown said:
Trump was born in June of 1946. How clear is his memory?
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Well, I am sure he is so excellent he could experience things before he was a zygote.

Our local paper, which posts opinion columns from right wingers that would make Alex Jones look moderate, took offence to tRump and his flag debacle. They pointed out the only reason tRump did anything was the VFW went nuts and they thought his behaviour was reprehensible. I wasn't sure if we got the right paper delivered.

Then listened to some Rep (or maybe Senator) from So Dakota who actually said people were not surprised at all that tRump was in legal trouble. They expected it but they were OK with it because they were going to get their Supreme Court Justice. The interviewer all but lost her mind and asked him to clarify or confirm what she thought she heard- which he did. Reiterating in not so many words they knew he probably was a crook but would do what they wanted him to and they would get their Justice. Wow. First time I actually heard someone who admitted he is a skank but they don't care. :eek:
 
alfablue said:
F U.

If you don't care about what dumpy did, why do you care so much about what other people think about it? What kind of windmills are you trying to take down?

What ever happened to respect?

Geez- people complain all the time about the tone of discourse, and how people are treating each other, and when the President does something a jerk would do, you take offense that people call him out on it? Sorry, but that's weak.

BTW, given how it's being covered, I certainly don't feel stupid that I'm bringing it up.

Back to you hovey- how ironic that you care so much about how other people interpret what dumpy does. You claim to think that it's not a big deal, but you make it a big deal for people who bring it up. That's pretty funny. And stupid. If you don't wan't people to bring it up, don't keep bringing it up. Just ignore others.
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I didn’t comment at all on the subject for the first day or two because I thought the whole thing was silly and insignificant. But then Handy posed the challenge to the conservative posters to explain the insignificance, so I did.
 
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alfablue said:
So to words- just saw on a CNN report that dumpy thinks there will be violence if the Democrats win the mid-term election.

As if the win will make Antifa raise up and hurt people. Vs. the good people in the white power movement that killed a women a year ago.

What a tool this guy is. If anything is hurting the country, it's the idea that acting like him is ok, since he's their leader.
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This sounds more like a fake news setup. CNN has been pushing, for about a month now, the narrative that there will be an attack on the media. They've been caught calling into CSPAN talking about death threats, have been admitted to being behind the censoring of Infowars and other conservative outlets in the mainstream (see Brian Stelter's interview with Jack Dorsey), and have really started planting the idea into people's minds when Jim Acosta was reporting and the chants of "CNN Sucks" came behind him. And for those wishing to say Infowars is perpetuating it, I give you evidence of Millie Weaver (one of their reporters) getting the crowd to shut up and let Jim actually exercise his rights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGXghVg7lb4 Even NBC has been complicit in this, "jump-cutting" Alex Jones' words (notice how their quote phrases are only about one or two words long with NBC's words in between in order for NBC to be able to take the words out of context).

And why do you think they would censor the conservatives? So when a false flag like this actually happens, it would be much more difficult for conservatives to defend themselves, while the propaganda you read can rise to prominence, and would result in further dehumanization similar to your response.

I will reiterate: WE DO NOT WANT VIOLENCE. Groups like the Proud Boys are there to de-escalate situations, but are ready to defend should Antifa become violent. Freedom is a two-way street.
 
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