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POTUS 45.4 - What's a Battle?

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unofan said:
That you don't think Obama was a statesman says it all.
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Obama?

Here is a list of executive orders that were signed by Barack Obama:

Executive Order to Control the Internet,
Executive Order Accelerates Mandatory HIV Testing For All Citizens,
Obama Signs Cybersecurity Executive Order,
Obama Executive Order Pushes Us Closer To A North American Union And A One World Economic System,
Obama’s Executive Actions on ‘Gun Violence Reduction,

And Gitmo is still open.

All that is politics, Party, not statesmanship.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Power corrupts.
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Maybe, but I think it's more a matter that you only get into the RNC inner circle if you have a certain, um, flexibility with your principles. As in, "Close the door, have a seat. You have one job: keep the top marginal tax rate as low as possible. Everything else is a ploy. You can go now, but remember that if you want to be re-elected."
 
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The leaks keep coming.

If Trump officials broke the Logan Act, nail them. There was a swing and miss, the media didn't get it out there, on catching a Logan Act violation when Mr. Obama sent a civilian to the Iranian mullahs to make nice-nice in 2008. That tells me that besides "power corrupts" and "Party first" the other standard in the Beltway is try to get away with more than the last guy.

But, the leaks. That should scare people. And the leaks are coming not from the White House but USG intelligence agencies. Why was the USG monitoring communications of US civilians? Did they have warrants? Or were they monitoring foreign dignitaries and ... ambassadors. Surely that has to be a violation of some treaty.

And, why do we now know all about that? Isn't that sort of thing, meaning targets, sources, methods, supposed to be ... clandestine? Instead USG intelligence agencies are releasing classified information to folks without clearance and/or need to know.

Kep has stated he's worried about becoming an authoritarian state. Well, leaks from intelligence services smell like a police state, pure authoritarianism. Should we start being concerned about that, or is it OK because it's the right kind of leaks (party first)?

As Eli Lake of Bloomberg News put it in an important article following Flynn's resignation,

Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do. [Bloomberg]
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Those cheering the deep state torpedoing of Flynn are saying, in effect, that a police state is perfectly fine so long as it helps to bring down Trump.

It is the role of Congress to investigate the president and those who work for him. If Congress resists doing its duty, out of a mixture of self-interest and cowardice, the American people have no choice but to try and hold the government's feet to the fire, demanding action with phone calls, protests, and, ultimately, votes. That is a democratic response to the failure of democracy.

Sitting back and letting shadowy, unaccountable agents of espionage do the job for us simply isn't an acceptable alternative.

Down that path lies the end of democracy in America.
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Source: http://theweek.com/articles/680068/...-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying


Kep, man, you might be right, but for the wrong reasons: not Trump, but the folks leaking around him.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Kep has stated he's worried about becoming an authoritarian state. Well, leaks from intelligence services smell like a police state, pure authoritarianism.
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Leaks that undermine a would-be dictator? I'm not following what I'm sure is your impeccable logic.

You sound a little like Trump. "The real danger isn't our crimes, it's the people who expose them!"

Please clarify. I am all ears.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
The leaks keep coming.

If Trump officials broke the Logan Act, nail them. There was a swing and miss, the media didn't get it out there, on catching a Logan Act violation when Mr. Obama sent a civilian to the Iranian mullahs to make nice-nice in 2008. That tells me that besides "power corrupts" and "Party first" the other standard in the Beltway is try to get away with more than the last guy.

But, the leaks. That should scare people. And the leaks are coming not from the White House but USG intelligence agencies. Why was the USG monitoring communications of US civilians? Did they have warrants? Or were they monitoring foreign dignitaries and ... ambassadors. Surely that has to be a violation of some treaty.

And, why do we now know all about that? Isn't that sort of thing, meaning targets, sources, methods, supposed to be ... clandestine? Instead USG intelligence agencies are releasing classified information to folks without clearance and/or need to know.

Kep has stated he's worried about becoming an authoritarian state. Well, leaks from intelligence services smell like a police state, pure authoritarianism. Should we start being concerned about that, or is it OK because it's the right kind of leaks (party first)?



Source: http://theweek.com/articles/680068/...-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying


Kep, man, you might be right, but for the wrong reasons: not Trump, but the folks leaking around him.
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Then let's arrest every single American that attends Bilderberg meetings, because they're also violating the Logan act.
 
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Kepler said:
Leaks that undermine a would-be dictator? I'm not following what I'm sure is your impeccable logic.

You sound a little like Trump. "The real danger isn't our crimes, it's the people who expose them!"

Please clarify. I am all ears.
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I'd like to hear this too. People don't leak things unless they think something's wrong. Take what Sally Yates had to do for example. If this administration was following the law and doing things in a proper manner they wouldn't be having these issues. They didn't call Obama "No Drama" for nothing.
 
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Kepler said:
You're in Flag territory, pardner.
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Oh, Kep ... always watch the magician's other hand. Even the magician you think you trust. (I'm learning to trust no magician.)

"Obama Executive Order Pushes Us Closer To A North American Union And A One World Economic System" <-- crazy sounding to grab attention headlines

The following is how this new executive order was assessed in a recent Businessweek article:

Obama’s order provides a framework to organize scattered efforts to promote international regulatory cooperation, the chamber’s top global regulatory official said today.
“Today’s executive order marks a paradigm shift for U.S. regulators by directing them to take the international implications of their work into account in a consistent and comprehensive way,” Sean Heather, vice president of the chamber’s Center for Global Regulatory Cooperation, said in an e-mailed statement.
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So, paradigm shift. From what to what? To international international regulatory cooperation. That's not me, that's BusinessWeek.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'd like to hear this too. People don't leak things unless they think something's wrong. Take what Sally Yates had to do for example. If this administration was following the law and doing things in a proper manner they wouldn't be having these issues. They didn't call Obama "No Drama" for nothing.
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It's the career SMEs. Trump's regime is so inept and awful that the people, both left and right, who have given their lives to actually understand these agencies and do the work are staging a ground up revolt.

"Never pick a fight with people smarter than you."

Beyond the leaks, the slow-walking of the Fail Orangutan's stupid decrees will make normal federal bureaucracy look like Daytona. The poor dunce and his handpicked 1% duncettes will be lucky to get measures into full operation in 2 years, let alone the 2 minutes he promised the orcs.
 
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Kepler said:
Leaks that undermine a would-be dictator? I'm not following what I'm sure is your impeccable logic.

You sound a little like Trump. "The real danger isn't our crimes, it's the people who expose them!"

Please clarify. I am all ears.
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Read the articles from Bloomberg and The Week. Enjoy. It's not me saying it. It's me agreeing.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Enjoy your echo chamber. Or are you still trying to deflect that on your "enemies"?
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My "Echo Chamber" is 99% of the world's media, stretching across the entire political spectrum. Your "Truth" is a handful of fat old impotent racists on the far rightwing fringe sending out mimeographs from their bunkers.

I'll take my chances, Zarathustra. :p
 
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The Sicatoka said:
But, the leaks. That should scare people. And the leaks are coming not from the White House but USG intelligence agencies. Why was the USG monitoring communications of US civilians? Did they have warrants? Or were they monitoring foreign dignitaries and ... ambassadors. Surely that has to be a violation of some treaty.
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I don't work for the government, but even I knew our government listens in on communications, especially involving foreign countries. Weren't they monitoring Merkel's phone sex conversations or something awhile back?

Anyone who picks up a phone and calls a Russian diplomat and doesn't assume someone from the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc..., are listening in is pretty naive, imho.

As for the "leaks" about it, that's the world we live in. Whether it's Snowden or others, a sizable percent of our population thinks it is important that these leaks occur to have an open government and understand what is happening, with our ostensible authority. I kind of agree with that approach, although it is important that it not jeopardize the safety of U.S. citizens.

Also, if a U.S. spy agency is listening in, then leaks a story that it listened in, I guess that's fine with me. If anyone is going to be harmed by that leak, it's going to be the agency since effectively the only information released is that they were listening to the call.

Thus far no one has leaked the story of the substance of the call, so it's pretty hard to claim classified info has been leaked. But I'd still really like to know what the substance of that call was.
 
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Kepler said:
It's the career SMEs. Trump's regime is so inept and awful that the people, both left and right, who have given their lives to actually understand these agencies and do the work are staging a ground up revolt.

"Never pick a fight with people smarter than you."

Beyond the leaks, the slow-walking of the Fail Orangutan's stupid decrees will make normal federal bureaucracy look like Daytona. The poor dunce and his handpicked 1% duncettes will be lucky to get measures into full operation in 2 years, let alone the 2 minutes he promised the orcs.
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Well, I, like you am disappointed those are the people who are leaking, but I don't blame them. This is the **** people like me were warning everyone about when they were telling folks to vote for Hillary. Her and her people know how the system works and no how to run a White House.

This is a failure not of Trump himself being President. This is a failure of Trump hiring the right people and LISTENING to them.

He can burn for all I care.
 
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