POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

So W:

Opposed Belief that abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
Opposed Legally require hiring women & minorities
Strongly Opposed Being comfortable with same-sex marriage
Opposed Expanding ObamaCare
Strongly Favored Privatizing Social Security
Strongly Favored Vouchers for school choice
Strongly Favored opinion that Stricter punishment reduces crime
Favored perspective of Absolute right to gun ownership
Strongly Opposed Higher taxes on the wealthy
Favored the feeling Support American Exceptionalism
Strongly Favored Expanding the military
Opposed Make voter registration easier
Strongly Opposed Stimulus better than market-led recovery

...but go with that.

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

I don't care what he believes, I care what he did.

Medicare Prescription Expansion with no way of paying for it. NOT CONSERVATIVE.
Going to war in the Middle East. NOT CONSERVATIVE.
No Child Left Behind. NOT CONSERVATIVE.

And all three of those were massive policies that defined his Presidency.

 

[Drew S.]

So W:

Opposed Belief that abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
Opposed Legally require hiring women & minorities
Strongly Opposed Being comfortable with same-sex marriage
Opposed Expanding ObamaCare
Strongly Favored Privatizing Social Security
Strongly Favored Vouchers for school choice
Strongly Favored opinion that Stricter punishment reduces crime
Favored perspective of Absolute right to gun ownership
Strongly Opposed Higher taxes on the wealthy
Favored the feeling Support American Exceptionalism
Strongly Favored Expanding the military
Opposed Make voter registration easier
Strongly Opposed Stimulus better than market-led recovery

...but go with that.

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

W tried to extend the assaults weapons ban. He was a lot more moderate than he was given credit for.

 

[unofan]

W tried to extend the assaults weapons ban. He was a lot more moderate than he was given credit for.

Oh look, Mr one issue voter only cares about his one issue to define people.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

I don't care what he believes, I care what he did.

Medicare Prescription Expansion with no way of paying for it. NOT CONSERVATIVE.

Conservatives created the concept of borrow and spend. Reagan exploded the debt, while Clinton balanced the budget.

http://nocturnaleconomist.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-touch-of-wonkery.html

The only reason debt went up during Obama was that W totally destroyed government revenues with the great recession.

Going to war in the Middle East. NOT CONSERVATIVE.

What?

In 2017, 62% of Republicans supported increasing spending on the military and 34% of Democrats did. In 2003, Republicans (75 percent in favor) backed war more strongly than did Democrats (only 40 percent). Have you ever heard of the word Neo Conservative?

So W's decreasing taxes on the most wealthy was NOT CONSERVATIVE? So taking away so much financial oversight that the financial crisis resulted was NOT CONSERVATIVE?

Who supported all of W policies and voted for W in 2004? Was it the liberals? By your logic, conservatives must have been the ones voting for John Kerry? I'd like to see just one conservative admit voting for John Kerry.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Conservatives created the concept of borrow and spend. Reagan exploded the debt, while Clinton balanced the budget.

http://nocturnaleconomist.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-touch-of-wonkery.html

The only reason debt went up during Obama was that W totally destroyed government revenues with the great recession.



What?

In 2017, 62% of Republicans support increasing spending on the military and 34% of Democrats do. In 2003, Republicans (75 percent in favor) backed war more strongly than did Democrats (only 40 percent). Have you ever heard of the word Neo Conservative?

So W's decreasing taxes on the most wealthy was NOT CONSERVATIVE? So taking away so much financial oversight that the financial crisis resulted was NOT CONSERVATIVE?

Who supported all of W policies and voted for W in 2004? Was it the liberals? By your logic, conservatives must have been the ones voting for John Kerry? I'd like to see just one conservative admit voting for John Kerry.

You're confusing Republican with Conservative. Not the same thing.

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Not totally excusing it, but an operation of this magnitude, errors will occur. Look at how disorganized the operation is to begin with...

Sounds like you're excusing it.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

You're confusing Republican with Conservative. Not the same thing.

Yup, largely the same thing. Per Gallup, Republicans are 70% conservative and about 4% liberal.

George Bush's voters were even more conservative. In 2004 when voters knew what Bush stood for, 84% of conservatives voted for W, while 85% of liberals voted for Kerry.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2004/

Obama's voters were...yes, liberal. In 2012 when everyone knew Obama's policies, 86% of Obama's voters were liberals and 82% of Romney's voters were conservatives.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

NATO is done.

Speaking even before the NATO summit began here, and amid domestic political turmoil for German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Trump said it is not fair to American taxpayers that Germany buys oil and gas from Russia while enjoying the umbrella of defense provided by U.S. dollars.

“Germany is a captive of Russia,” he said, pointing out that the country pays “billions and billions of dollars” to Russia for energy…. “Germany is totally controlled by Russia.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-blasts-nato-allies-says-germany-captive-russia-n890471

Talk about projection.

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Is she drunk? Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out lady. Far left? What a ****ing joke.

Really.

Would President Donald Trump’s supporters have preferred a decent, moral, well-behaved, well-informed populist? Sure, but in dire times, you take the populist who shows up because beggars can’t be choosers, etc.

Yeah. If this were true, they would have supported Sanders.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Talk about projection.

Don't know if its been said, but Trump is an idiot.

The day he has the guts to pull the plug on January delivery of energy to the American people for 'his principles'...then he can talk.

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Yup, largely the same thing. Per Gallup, Republicans are 70% conservative and about 4% liberal.

George Bush's voters were even more conservative. In 2004 when voters knew what Bush stood for, 84% of conservatives voted for W, while 85% of liberals voted for Kerry.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2004/

Obama's voters were...yes, liberal. In 2012 when everyone knew Obama's policies, 86% of Obama's voters were liberals and 82% of Romney's voters were conservatives.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

They say they're Conservative, with a big "C".


The policies they espouse, and the way they govern, is anything but.


Kinda like people here say they're not Trump supporters, but spend their every waking minute on this board defending him.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Yup, largely the same thing. Per Gallup, Republicans are 70% conservative and about 4% liberal.

George Bush's voters were even more conservative. In 2004 when voters knew what Bush stood for, 84% of conservatives voted for W, while 85% of liberals voted for Kerry.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2004/

Obama's voters were...yes, liberal. In 2012 when everyone knew Obama's policies, 86% of Obama's voters were liberals and 82% of Romney's voters were conservatives.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

No, it's not the same thing. Just because those idiots redefined the word doesn't mean we need to fall for it. I'm sick of all the changing definitions. That's exactly why no one has noticed the drift that has happened. I'm not falling for it.

 

[Drew S.]

They say they're Conservative, with a big "C".


The policies they espouse, and the way they govern, is anything but.


Kinda like people here say they're not Trump supporters, but spend their every waking minute on this board defending him.

Agree 100%.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

They say they're Conservative, with a big "C".

The policies they espouse, and the way they govern, is anything but.

Kinda like people here say they're not Trum supporters, but spend their every waking minute on this board defending him.

Sorry but that's not true. There are many strains of conservatism. Just because a past movement that also had that label has according to some 'died out' doesn't mean the general concept of conservatism isn't in full swing today.

Is fighting equal rights, fighting affirmative action, fighting gay marriage...while supporting abortion and family based censorship not some kind of conservative? Don't fall for conservatives who are just putting on a ploy trying to avoid being tied to any obnoxious, failing conservative politician.

 

[aparch]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

So W:

Opposed Belief that abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
Opposed Legally require hiring women & minorities
Strongly Opposed Being comfortable with same-sex marriage
Opposed Expanding ObamaCare
Strongly Favored Privatizing Social Security
Strongly Favored Vouchers for school choice
Strongly Favored opinion that Stricter punishment reduces crime
Favored perspective of Absolute right to gun ownership
Strongly Opposed Higher taxes on the wealthy
Favored the feeling Support American Exceptionalism
Strongly Favored Expanding the military
Opposed Make voter registration easier
Strongly Opposed Stimulus better than market-led recovery

...but go with that.

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

http://factmyth.com/comparing-the-political-ideology-of-presidents/

I'm still researching if Factmyth.com is bullsh** or not, but this page at least visually represents what I've seen floated on more trusted websites. And by visually representing, I mean the tables at the bottom, not the election breakdown graphic at the top.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

http://factmyth.com/comparing-the-political-ideology-of-presidents/

I'm still researching if Factmyth.com is bullsh** or not, but this page at least visually represents what I've seen floated on more trusted websites. And by visually representing, I mean the tables at the bottom, not the election breakdown graphic at the top.

Giving that source more credit than it deserves...Obama is 'social liberal'. That's pretty straightforward.

Bush as a 'classical liberal' strictly defined to his support for eliminating economic/societal regulations and oversight. That doesn't mean he was for gay marriage, affirmative action, or a women's right to choose. To that end, he was also a solid conservative by numerous off shoots of conservative.

ontheissues.org is acknowledged as a top source for ideology.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

“BREAKING: President Trump quietly signed an executive order allowing political appointees to hire and fire regulatory judges, making it easier for the Trump administration to terminate judges who don’t follow his anti-regulatory agenda.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...der-giving-agency-heads-more-power-to-appoint

 

[unofan]

“BREAKING: President Trump quietly signed an executive order allowing political appointees to hire and fire regulatory judges, making it easier for the Trump administration to terminate judges who don’t follow his anti-regulatory agenda.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...der-giving-agency-heads-more-power-to-appoint

This is an inherent follow-up from the SCOTUS ruling in an SEC case that federal ALJs are officers rather than employees, and therefore must be appointed by a department head.

Meh.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

This is an inherent follow-up from the SCOTUS ruling in an SEC case that federal ALJs are officers rather than employees, and therefore must be appointed by a department head.

Meh.

I just can’t believe it’s another EO. We were told throes were bad.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Nail, meet hammer.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...09/democratic-party-left-me-column/766561002/

Written by an editor at The Federalist. And looking at her recent articles:
"My Thoughts on the Russia Investigation Changed"

But as the months rolled by, my perspective shifted. Various facts have come out about the various concerns/conflicts of interests surrounding the investigation — the unverified dossier paid for by Democrats that was used to apply for FISA warrants, the FISA abuses, the partisan, anti-Trump nature of some top FBI agents, and much more.

These are facts not dismissible as right-wing talking points.

I have come to believe that there are powerful, unelected bureaucrats in this country, comprising both Republicans and Democrats, who really didn’t want an outsider president like Trump and tried (unsuccessfully) to thwart his candidacy and are now trying to undermine his presidency.

If so, it’s not Trump that’s the problem but these powerful un-American, non-democratic forces within our own government that are capable of meddling in our elections and undermining presidents they don’t like.

"Liberalism Has Lost It's Way" including this gem:

What’s also troubling to see is that the left’s avowed tolerance doesn’t seem to extend to white, male, Christian conservatives – there’s a gradual, incremental, obvious shift in academia and popular culture to mock/denigrate/silence this demographic

"Trump's Presidency Takes up too Much of Our Headspace"

Aside from all this, however, down on the list of challenges is a very real one: Our president takes up too much of our headspace.

It used to be that we’d elect a president and after the fanfare of the inauguration, you didn’t hear too much from him. The president would stay, more or less, in the periphery of our consciousness, and we’d pay attention from time to time to what he’s saying and doing.

"I'm a Liberal, and I Agree With Sean Hannity"

My awakening came accidentally when I realized in 2016 that I just couldn’t support Hillary Clinton (I ended up protest-voting for Gary Johnson). I thought Clinton was arrogant, entitled, corrupt, and dishonest. I couldn’t believe the Democratic Party would nominate someone who was the subject of an FBI investigation.

I couldn’t bear to watch Rachel Maddow in 2016 and still can’t. She’s a fine journalist who has wide knowledge and command of the facts, but her relentless, overdone partisanship was and is too much for me.

**** her and her fancy book-learnin facts. :eyeroll:

"How the Left Distorted the Immigration Debate"

It wasn’t President Obama’s fault — as Deporter-in-Chief, he deported record numbers of undocumented immigrants. But with eight years of a Democrat in the White House, progressives and immigrant advocates, in my view, became quite emboldened and gradually distorted the immigration debate.

One thing they did successfully was blur the distinction between legal and undocumented immigrants.
...
The other way progressives distorted the immigration debate was to confuse the issue on whether immigration is a right or a privilege. Does the United States have a right, like any other country, to have a say in who, how many and what kind of immigrants (low-skilled, high-skilled) to allow into the country?