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POTUS: 45.36: I Designed The Sears Tower, I Make 2 Grand An Hour

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Brenthoven said:
The issue with the baker was religion and sexual orientation issues butted heads. The courts sided with religion ...
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No they didn’t. They said the Colorado civil rights commission appeared predjudiced against religion so their decision was thrown out. If they hadn’t appeared to be biased their decision probably would have been allowed to stand.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I can't even.
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He is right. The NYTs is the poster child for the Trumpers and their crusade against the media. (see also: CNN) Even though I find the NYT to be weaksauce (especially their war with the Clintons) but they definitely give the Right plenty of ammo in their Fake NEws crusade.
 
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unofan said:
The court didn't side with religion. It punted. It found some remarks by a commissioner that it thought indicated bias. Many commentators on SCOTUSBlog felt Kennedy signaled he'd have sided with the gay couple absent that appearance of bias. I think that's probably right given he's written every major decision involving gay rights in the last few decades, but I probably wouldn't put money on it.
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I said same thing earlier in this thread. What bugs me is I can see 20 articles today about Sanders and this debate that either obscure or just skip over the fact that the Court didn't rule it was ok to discriminate against LGBTQ on the basis of religious beliefs. For example in the Guardian:

The story set off a fierce Twitter battle between Trump supporters and opponents, many on both sides comparing it to a recent supreme court ruling that said the owner of a Colorado cake shop was right to refuse service to a gay couple, based on his religious beliefs.
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The court didn't say that, and oddly the above sentence contains a link to the Guardian's own story from several weeks back that, if you'd bother to take the time to follow it and read that story as well, explains that the court clearly didn't say that.
In this thread there are (presumably) reasonably intelligent people who have an interest in politics, follow these things and still aren't clear on the facts of that case. Which isn't surprising I guess, given that you have to be a super sleuth to sort through all the misdirection and misinformation out there to get at the actual, relatively simple and relatively important, fact of this particular matter. It's far from being an isolated example.
 
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How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed

The scariest thing for me is this:
For his own part, Kobach is now a candidate for governor of Kansas, running neck and neck with the incumbent in polls for the Republican primary on Aug. 7.
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My guess is he has an excellent chance of winning both the primary and then the general election. trump voters actually like to see their people lose in legitimate forums, whether it is being destroyed by questions from a reasonable and competent journalist, or by a judge or court wiping the floor with them. trump voters have almost entirely disregarded methods reasonable people use to judge the worth of something. If the media or the courts hate it, chances are trump voters love it.

I spent Saturday on the Mall in D.C., and the most interesting and meaningful theme I saw publicized during the Poor People's Campaign rally was "Voter Suppression Is Violence." The clearest sign that the republican party is attempting to turn our country away from any form of democracy is that virtually every republican out there supports registration rules that restrict access to the ballot box. The clearest sign that republicans are stupid is that so many of them believe that voting fraud exists in any meaningful amount. Voter fraud did not win or cost anyone an election. Voter suppression has though.
 
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Trump is calling for the elimination of due process rights for deportations Of undocumented

Do we blow the statue up or ship it back?
 
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Brenthoven said:
IMO, what happened was two protected classes were going against each other in this particular case. It's a big can of worms. We're talking industrial-sized can.
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Except the religious nuts weren't being discriminated against. But you just keep on being centrist, you.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Well on one side you have the people who accept the vast scientific consensus on global warming, and then you have the other side that might as well be denying gravity. Both sides!
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Doesn’t anthropogenic climate change have a stronger scientific consensus than cigarettes causing cancer?
 
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Gawd, I agree with most of you guys, and yet hysterical liberals really are the second most obnoxious people on the planet (after Bible-humping conservatives).
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Gawd, I agree with most of you guys, and yet hysterical liberals really are the second most obnoxious people on the planet (after Bible-humping conservatives).
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Just say you really dislike extremists. That covers all bases in all things. ;)

That's where I stand. Fade's post is 100% pure truth in every aspect, including the me agreeing with most of you guys.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Trump is calling for the elimination of due process rights for deportations Of undocumented

Do we blow the statue up or ship it back?
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Nothing like stating openly in a public forum that you intend to commit a crime by abuse of executive power to make the judicial blocking of any orders to that effect ****ed near automatic. The Republic is being saved thus far by his incompetence.
 
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