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POTUS 45.34: Spy Gate. No Spy. No Gate.

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burd said:
Keep in mind the boomers were not adults in the 50s and have no reason to want to return there. None of my boomer friends would think of wishing such a thing. That is precisely what many of us revolted against. It is one thing to suggest that boomers have dropped the ball in holding off big money interests during the change from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, but to suggest that we want to return to the social climate of the 50s is unsupported as far as I can see, biased as I admittedly am.
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The older of the baby boomers tend to be around the age of 70. IMHO these are the worst people for Trump worshiping and believing any BS conspiracy theory that comes along. Perhaps you're at the end of the baby boom (1960-64) and I will say people in their late 50's don't seem to share the same traits as their older counterparts. But, people in their 60's and 70's are the absolute worst, collectively, that I've ever seen. Far worse than the greatest generation when they were that age.
 
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Rover said:
The older of the baby boomers tend to be around the age of 70. IMHO these are the worst people for Trump worshiping and believing any BS conspiracy theory that comes along. Perhaps you're at the end of the baby boom (1960-64) and I will say people in their late 50's don't seem to share the same traits as their older counterparts. But, people in their 60's and 70's are the absolute worst, collectively, that I've ever seen. Far worse than the greatest generation when they were that age.
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I know boomers who support Trump, but far more who think he is a dangerous child. It looks to me to be more a function of education than age. I have no stats to back that up though. People certainly get more conservative as they age, but I'm not sure the boomers are any different than other generations in the degree to which that has happened. I can see why it seems they have grown much more conservative, given how radical many were in our late teens and 20s.

I feel very good about many social changes our generation played an important part in, but there is no question we have disappointed.
 
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Flexing his clemency power as he and his team face multiple criminal investigations of their own, Mr. Trump also said that he was thinking about the case of Martha Stewart, the lifestyle mogul who spent five months in prison for lying to investigators about the timing of a stock sale.

The president was focusing on cases where he argued that the justice system had unfairly treated celebrity figures, all of whom were convicted of crimes that in some ways mirrored charges that have been made or mentioned in connection with allies of Mr. Trump in recent weeks, including campaign finance violations and lying to investigators.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/us/politics/dsouza-pardon.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
 
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burd said:
I know boomers who support Trump, but far more who think he is a dangerous child. It looks to me to be more a function of education than age. I have no stats to back that up though. People certainly get more conservative as they age, but I'm not sure the boomers are any different than other generations in the degree to which that has happened. I can see why it seems they have grown much more conservative, given how radical many were in our late teens and 20s.

I feel very good about many social changes our generation played an important part in, but there is no question we have disappointed.
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The bolded part actually isn't true. If you think about the social change of the 60's and the voters who put progressives in power back then, none of them were Baby Boomers because they weren't old enough to vote. A key distinction that tends to get missed when recounting who elected politicians dedicated to civil rights, or Medicare for example. The absolute oldest of the boomers (those born in '46 and the first half of '47) would have been able to vote in the 1968 election and that's it as the voting age was 21. Instead it was the Greatest Generation who put those people into power.

Now fast forward to the end of 1980. People who lived through Depression and fought WWII are late 50's to mid 70's. Life expectancy wasn't as long back then and they start to lose their grip on the electorate. Who steps in? Silent Generation loons and older Baby Boomers thus ushering a couple of decades of conservative stupidity dedicated to pleasing self-entitled whiners. Perhaps we're at the forefront of another generational change, but really, collectively your generation has basically stolen everything that wasn't nailed down.
 
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Rover said:
The bolded part actually isn't true. If you think about the social change of the 60's and the voters who put progressives in power back then, none of them were Baby Boomers because they weren't old enough to vote. A key distinction that tends to get missed when recounting who elected politicians dedicated to civil rights, or Medicare for example. The absolute oldest of the boomers (those born in '46 and the first half of '47) would have been able to vote in the 1968 election and that's it as the voting age was 21. Instead it was the Greatest Generation who put those people into power.

Now fast forward to the end of 1980. People who lived through Depression and fought WWII are late 50's to mid 70's. Life expectancy wasn't as long back then and they start to lose their grip on the electorate. Who steps in? Silent Generation loons and older Baby Boomers thus ushering a couple of decades of conservative stupidity dedicated to pleasing self-entitled whiners. Perhaps we're at the forefront of another generational change, but really, collectively your generation has basically stolen everything that wasn't nailed down.
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The generation that gave birth to "bloomers" went through a decade-long depression then world war II in their early adulthood. I can completely understand whey they wanted the predictable security of a job with The Company, new appliances, and a white picket fence. In a world run by white men--the Golden Age Trump promised.

Although boomers may not have voted until the late 60s and were not the ones passing the laws, they played a huge role in moving the discussion. Forcing it, in may instances.

And I don't think boomers were forcing the issues in the late 60s because there was something special about them any more than there was something special about the prior generation. We are a product of our times. That doesn't mean we don't accept responsibility. As I said above, boomers, including me, have contributed to some very serious financial problems in this country.
 
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We're going to need an amendment to deal with excessive pardons. This is getting stupid. At least everyone else waited until they were leaving to abuse it so it didn't constantly make the news.
 
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Handyman said:
My guess is Ivanka has stock in a competing countries car company...
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This smells of the 2008 banking/mortgage fallout. There are people who profited richly from the fallout by holding onto the right cards.

Trump family tanks the global economy, ???, Profit!
 
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Classic "What About..." from conservatives: Calling for the View and Jimmy Kimmel to be cancelled because Roseanne was cancelled. "What about the View? Why hasn't Joy Behar been fired?"

I didn't realize picking on Donald Trump qualified as hate speech.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Might be his most ridiculous pardon yet. I've never seen a President use his pardon authority in this manner.
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CNN says Martha Stewart and Rod Blagojevich are next.


Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
He’s on a roll today. We are slapping the tariff on steel and aluminum from Canada, Mexico and the EU
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Regarding the tariffs: Canada has immediately retaliated by placing tariffs on US Imported items (dollar for dollar) on US Steel, US aluminum, beer kegs, whiskeys, toilet paper, hair spray, and other US based products.


Side note, why can't we have a president like Justin Trudeau? Oh, right, we did with Obama, and people like Trump are racist d*ckbags.
 
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burd said:
And I don't think boomers were forcing the issues in the late 60s because there was something special about them any more than there was something special about the prior generation. We are a product of our times. That doesn't mean we don't accept responsibility. As I said above, boomers, including me, have contributed to some very serious financial problems in this country.
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Boomers don't exist.

Generations don't exist.

People really need to get over that.

Time is a river, it's not a NASCAR race. And the only differences between people born in different years are by definition external and cultural, so they deserve neither credit nor blame for them, so even single year -- or month -- or day cohorts, while they exist, are meaningless.
 
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If you look at that link that I posted a few posts ago, look at the volume of petitions for pardon or clemency that have flooded into the Trump administration compared with past presidents. It's pretty obvious that people view Trump as a wild card and that he might just be willing to grant clemency to just about anyone.
 
Kepler said:
Boomers don't exist.

Generations don't exist.

People really need to get over that.

Time is a river, it's not a NASCAR race. And the only differences between people born in different years are by definition external and cultural, so they deserve neither credit nor blame for them, so even single year -- or month -- or day cohorts, while they exist, are meaningless.
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Demographic bubbles certainly exist. And we've had this discussion before, but I'd like to think that if the individuals who make up the boomer generation and the individuals who make up the millennial generation switched places in time, the outcomes would be different. Everyone's a product of their time, but they also influence their times as well.

In other words, I don't want to think the election of Reagan was always destined to happen.
 
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