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POTUS 45.32: QAnon Will Help Show the Truth

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Here is a question I have. Let's say that Cohen and Trump decided it was a good idea to pay off Daniels in exchange for her silence. The scheme cooked up is that Cohen writes the check, then Trump pays him back through a series of "retainer" payments over the course of the next few months. They do it in that fashion either because Trump doesn't have the $130,000, which I think is possible and would be very funny, or more likely because these simpletons think that if there is no single payment of exactly $130,000 from Trump to Cohen that no one will ever figure out that it was Trump who paid the money.

Let's further assume this was done to try to keep it out of the news media during a critical time of the campaign, bringing this under the election financing laws.

Personally, I think it's safe to say that is exactly what happened, although we'll maybe have to wait until the feds sort it out. The story seems plausible. Although I think that scenario is the most likely, I'm not 100% sold that Trump made the payment to help his election because honestly I think that in mid-October he, like the rest of us, believed he had no chance of being elected. In fact, I seem to recall stories that Trump was balking at putting any of his own money into the campaign at that time because he could see the handwriting on the wall. But let's ignore that and accept as true that this was done to help the campaign.

So what happens? I assume the Federal Election Commission can come in and levy fines, etc... I also assume there are criminal charges that can be brought for filing false campaign statements or making illegal loans to a campaign.

But beyond the fines, which you periodically hear about being levied against campaigns, are the feds regularly putting people in jail for something like this? Are they even regularly prosecuting them? I'm asking because I don't know. I remember they tried to get Edwards on something like this, but I don't recall any other cases of criminal prosecutions.

Anyone know?
 
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And if some unknown lawyer admitted some unknown client of his or hers committed a felony to the news media, said unknown client would probably be staring at an arrest, an indictment, something.
I'm not sure that's the case. If a lawyer goes on a tv show and makes a damaging admission about his or her client, like "Joe committed a felony," can that be used against the client in a criminal prosecution? I don't know about that.

I certainly don't think it's considered an admission of the client that could be used in a trial. I suppose the lawyer could be questioned as a witness.
 
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Here is a question I have. Let's say that Cohen and Trump decided it was a good idea to pay off Daniels in exchange for her silence. The scheme cooked up is that Cohen writes the check, then Trump pays him back through a series of "retainer" payments over the course of the next few months. They do it in that fashion either because Trump doesn't have the $130,000, which I think is possible and would be very funny, or more likely because these simpletons think that if there is no single payment of exactly $130,000 from Trump to Cohen that no one will ever figure out that it was Trump who paid the money.

Let's further assume this was done to try to keep it out of the news media during a critical time of the campaign, bringing this under the election financing laws.

Personally, I think it's safe to say that is exactly what happened, although we'll maybe have to wait until the feds sort it out. The story seems plausible. Although I think that scenario is the most likely, I'm not 100% sold that Trump made the payment to help his election because honestly I think that in mid-October he, like the rest of us, believed he had no chance of being elected. In fact, I seem to recall stories that Trump was balking at putting any of his own money into the campaign at that time because he could see the handwriting on the wall. But let's ignore that and accept as true that this was done to help the campaign.

So what happens? I assume the Federal Election Commission can come in and levy fines, etc... I also assume there are criminal charges that can be brought for filing false campaign statements or making illegal loans to a campaign.

But beyond the fines, which you periodically hear about being levied against campaigns, are the feds regularly putting people in jail for something like this? Are they even regularly prosecuting them? I'm asking because I don't know. I remember they tried to get Edwards on something like this, but I don't recall any other cases of criminal prosecutions.

Anyone know?

If anyone goes to jail it is low level flunkies because the President is smart enough to not have all roads lead to him.

And if what you say is what likely happened...why lie? And when caught why lie again? Its the same thing with the Russians, if the meeting went nowhere, if nothing of value happened why lie? Then why keep lying when it is obvious everyone knows your lying? People who did nothing wrong dont often do that.
 
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I'm not sure that's the case. If a lawyer goes on a tv show and makes a damaging admission about his or her client, like "Joe committed a felony," can that be used against the client in a criminal prosecution? I don't know about that.

I certainly don't think it's considered an admission of the client that could be used in a trial. I suppose the lawyer could be questioned as a witness.

It is part of the public record so the lawyer can be called I believe. (I am mostly hypothesizing based on my law classes 15 years ago so I could be wrong) Remember a lawyer is not allowed to defraud the court knowingly and if they go on TV and say "X committed the crime" and then mount of "not guilty" defense it can surmised they are doing just that.
 
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If anyone goes to jail it is low level flunkies because the President is smart enough to not have all roads lead to him.

And if what you say is what likely happened...why lie? And when caught why lie again? Its the same thing with the Russians, if the meeting went nowhere, if nothing of value happened why lie? Then why keep lying when it is obvious everyone knows your lying? People who did nothing wrong dont often do that.

I think the answer to the question "why lie" is pretty easy. Trump is, and always has been, about his image, his brand. Which is kind of funny because I personally have always thought his "brand" was pretty crappy.

So, when confronted with the accusation he slept with a porn star rather than embracing it as some of us might do, he lied about it. Of course the problem is, once you lie about it, you have to keep making up different lies when things such as payments, etc..., get exposed.

If he hadn't won the election, his lie about sleeping with or paying off the porn star would have disappeared. It's probably a lie he's told a dozen times and gotten away with it, because no one had an interest in exposing it.
 
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If he hadnt been elected he would have paid her to be quiet but bragged about it to everyone he could.
 
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I think the answer to the question "why lie" is pretty easy. Trump is, and always has been, about his image, his brand. Which is kind of funny because I personally have always thought his "brand" was pretty crappy.

So, when confronted with the accusation he slept with a porn star rather than embracing it as some of us might do, he lied about it. Of course the problem is, once you lie about it, you have to keep making up different lies when things such as payments, etc..., get exposed.

If he hadn't won the election, his lie about sleeping with or paying off the porn star would have disappeared. It's probably a lie he's told a dozen times and gotten away with it, because no one had an interest in exposing it.

Your are right that he is about his brand, but he is slave to the overriding need to feed his narcissistic beast. So he acts in the moment and is not always in control over what he does or does not do to improve his brand.
 
Re: POTUS 45.32: QAnon Will Help Show the Truth

Here is a question I have. Let's say that Cohen and Trump decided it was a good idea to pay off Daniels in exchange for her silence. The scheme cooked up is that Cohen writes the check, then Trump pays him back through a series of "retainer" payments over the course of the next few months. They do it in that fashion either because Trump doesn't have the $130,000, which I think is possible and would be very funny, or more likely because these simpletons think that if there is no single payment of exactly $130,000 from Trump to Cohen that no one will ever figure out that it was Trump who paid the money.

Let's further assume this was done to try to keep it out of the news media during a critical time of the campaign, bringing this under the election financing laws.

Personally, I think it's safe to say that is exactly what happened, although we'll maybe have to wait until the feds sort it out. The story seems plausible. Although I think that scenario is the most likely, I'm not 100% sold that Trump made the payment to help his election because honestly I think that in mid-October he, like the rest of us, believed he had no chance of being elected. In fact, I seem to recall stories that Trump was balking at putting any of his own money into the campaign at that time because he could see the handwriting on the wall. But let's ignore that and accept as true that this was done to help the campaign.

So what happens? I assume the Federal Election Commission can come in and levy fines, etc... I also assume there are criminal charges that can be brought for filing false campaign statements or making illegal loans to a campaign.

But beyond the fines, which you periodically hear about being levied against campaigns, are the feds regularly putting people in jail for something like this? Are they even regularly prosecuting them? I'm asking because I don't know. I remember they tried to get Edwards on something like this, but I don't recall any other cases of criminal prosecutions.

Anyone know?

If he structured the payments to avoid reports to banking and securities authorities, then yeah. Denny Hastert went to jail for this.
 
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If he structured the payments to avoid reports to banking and securities authorities, then yeah. Denny Hastert went to jail for this.

That's payment layering, which, if not drawn up in an official contract (loan amortizations, as an example), and intended to hide the intent of money or to deceive authorities, comes under money laundering scrutiny. I was tangentially involved in the development of an application the Fed required of us to help screen transactions for that very thing. Every bank is required to have some application or screen process in place now as part of the PATRIOT Act.
 
That's payment layering, which, if not drawn up in an official contract (loan amortizations, as an example), and intended to hide the intent of money or to deceive authorities, comes under money laundering scrutiny. I was tangentially involved in the development of an application the Fed required of us to help screen transactions for that very thing. Every bank is required to have some application or screen process in place now as part of the PATRIOT Act.

Today we ARE ALL PATRIOTS!!!!
 
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http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20180504/trump-the-nra-is-a-truly-great-organziation-that-loves-this-country
President Donald Trump on Friday addressed the National Rifle Association's annual meeting, signaling his strong support for the gun rights group after suggesting months earlier that he was open to some firearm restrictions in the wake of a school shooting in South Florida.

"Your second amendment rights are under siege but they will never ever be under siege as long as I'm your president," Trump told NRA members, whom he referred to as patriots.

Trump has already addressed the group three times and has counted it as a powerful ally from the earliest days of his presidential campaign. The NRA spent more money on behalf of Trump than did any outside group in 2016, deploying its resources for him earlier than in any other presidential cycle.
"It's a great organization that loves this country. The NRA is a truly great organization that loves this country," Trump told reporters on Air Force One, noting the large crowd that had already lined up at the convention center here. "We'll see you up there. We'll do another one."
 
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Everyone is focused on Bill Belichick joining the council for physical fitness, but they should be focused on another new member. Dr Oz. Remember the magic beans from Jack and the Beanstalk? It seems Oz has his own magic beans and wasted no time in promoting them.


Dr. Mehmet Oz
@DrOz
I've been supporting children’s health programs with @HealthCorps and appreciate the need to improve lifestyle opportunities for our youth. Serving on @FitnessGov offers a platform to amplify the best practices shown to work across our school systems.

Coming soon to a public school lunch near you: Dr Oz and the Beanstalk.
 
Everyone is focused on Bill Belichick joining the council for physical fitness, but they should be focused on another new member. Dr Oz. Remember the magic beans from Jack and the Beanstalk? It seems Oz has his own magic beans and wasted no time in promoting them.


Dr. Mehmet Oz
@DrOz
I've been supporting children’s health programs with @HealthCorps and appreciate the need to improve lifestyle opportunities for our youth. Serving on @FitnessGov offers a platform to amplify the best practices shown to work across our school systems.

Coming soon to a public school lunch near you: Dr Oz and the Beanstalk.

Racist!!
 
Re: POTUS 45.32: QAnon Will Help Show the Truth

Keep lying trump. It doesn't matter because your voters are stupid rubes who will believe whatever verbal diarrhea spews from your sewer hole of a mouth. The latest live lie, auto jobs are coming back to Ohio. This in the wake of a Lordstown Chevy plant that is cutting another 1500 jobs. Also gone are 250 jobs from the company that made supplies for Chevy. What has happened to the American people's ability to tell the difference between truth and lies? I really, really want trump to start doubling down. I want him to tell the most outrageous lies now. I want him to claim that space aliens are believed to be a coming threat and that means we need to spend trillions more on new defense systems. Those dolts will believe it.
 
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Did we mention this tweet?

@realdonaldtrump: As everybody is aware, the past Administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released from a North Korean Labor camp, but to no avail. Stay tuned!

This is a lie. Straight up lie. Two of the three hostages were taken during Sniffles' term. But his followers will buy it and *some people* will still say he hasn't told any lies. *cough* flaggy *cough*
 
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Did we mention this tweet?



This is a lie. Straight up lie. Two of the three hostages were taken during Sniffles' term. But his followers will buy it and *some people* will still say he hasn't told any lies. *cough* flaggy *cough*

Posted it yesterday. :D
 
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