POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

[Rover]

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Since nobody here voted for Donald, we all know how disappointing that election was. But even though everyone knew he was a clown, the never ending flow of childish acts and statements coming directly out of that office is just plain stunning. We've all been strongly opposed to presidential policies at times, and many of us have protested, but I never thought I would be embarrassed and ashamed by my own President. It's like finding out the hard way that someone in whom you had placed trust in a business or social capacity is nothing more than a stupid drunk. Again, nobody here voted for him, so none of us ever placed any trust in him, but to the outside world he is our Guy; he's Us.

Add dread to that embarrassment. We don't yet know what "the hard way" is.

Apologies but none of this is surprising at all. That's why "not voting for Trump" wasn't good enough. If you didn't vote Dem up and down the ballot (provided you're not a supporter of the guy) you're getting what you asked for. No one should be shocked by this.

 

[burd]

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Apologies but none of this is surprising at all. That's why "not voting for Trump" wasn't good enough. If you didn't vote Dem up and down the ballot (provided you're not a supporter of the guy) you're getting what you asked for. No one should be shocked by this.

I did go door-to-door for the dem ticket. Unlike you, I did see a chance that Clinton could lose, so I am probably much less shocked than you are.

But I didn't anticipate this mix of embarrassment and shame, I will say that.

 

[Rover]

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I did go door-to-door for the dem ticket. Unlike you, I did see a chance that Clinton could lose, so I am probably much less shocked than you are.

But I didn't anticipate this mix of embarrassment and shame, I will say that.

I'm not blasting you personally and was aware of you efforts as you've mentioned them several times before. However, I will zero in on the point about many people will run around saying they didn't vote for Trump. While that may be true, its a CYA statement for anybody who didn't vote Hillary. Or for Dem House and Senate candidates. Trump voters are getting what they want. Hillary voters knew this and voted accordingly. 3rd party and non-voters are the worst of the bunch.

 

[walrus]

Apologies but none of this is surprising at all. That's why "not voting for Trump" wasn't good enough. If you didn't vote Dem up and down the ballot (provided you're not a supporter of the guy) you're getting what you asked for. No one should be shocked by this.

I think people who supported someone as hated as hilary was are to blame. Bernie would have killed trump in the general election. In fact the dems could have run just about anyone but hilary and won.

 

[Almington]

I think people who supported someone as hated as hilary was are to blame. Bernie would have killed trump in the general election. In fact the dems could have run just about anyone but hilary and won.

At least any old white guy. I suspect the result would have been the same with any woman or non-Obama minority male.

 

[jerphisch]

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Bernie would have killed trump in the general election.

Based on what evidence? People keep repeating this, but he COULDN'T EVEN BEAT HILLARY! He had horrible support from minorities the whole primary season. He is a politician, so he wasn't pulling in the "let's try something new" crowd. He's a jew, so the nazi's weren't flipping. He's more liberal than Hillary so he wasn't pulling in more from the center. Stopping Trump wasn't enough motivation to get people out to vote in enough numbers. There is nothing based on actual data that says he would have done better than Hillary. He may have brought in some more votes from the far left, but I don't see anything that says he wouldn't have lost votes from other areas. Face it, the ****tards who voted for Trump decided the election.

 

[joecct]

I think people who supported someone as hated as hilary was are to blame. Bernie would have killed trump in the general election. In fact the dems could have run just about anyone but hilary and won.

Biden would have won in a walk. While popular on the coasts and campuses, I don't know if Bernie would have won "flyover" USA.

 

[The Rube]

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Based on what evidence? People keep repeating this, but he COULDN'T EVEN BEAT HILLARY! He had horrible support from minorities the whole primary season. He is a politician, so he wasn't pulling in the "let's try something new" crowd. He's a jew, so the nazi's weren't flipping. He's more liberal than Hillary so he wasn't pulling in more from the center. Stopping Trump wasn't enough motivation to get people out to vote in enough numbers. There is nothing based on actual data that says he would have done better than Hillary. He may have brought in some more votes from the far left, but I don't see anything that says he wouldn't have lost votes from other areas. Face it, the ****tards who voted for Trump decided the election.

IMO the Hillary supporters thought she was a lock (as did most of the sensible voters). I think if the election were done over from the beginning, Bernie had a solid shot. Hindsight is 20/20 of course.

In other words, the Hillary supporters grossly underestimated the contempt for the political machine. It is a little difficult to blame them 100%. This has been going on for a very very long time.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Biden would have won in a walk. While popular on the coasts and campuses, I don't know if Bernie would have won "flyover" USA.

This is the only name I have heard that I believe would have beaten trump. The only one.

Bernie may have won he flyovers. He won nearly all of the caucuses. So it's possible he could have beaten trump, but I think he played worse in some states Hillary won.

Joe would have wiped the table with Trump.

 

[burd]

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Looks like I reignited this discussion, which I regret, though I can see why it happened. I don't much care about who is to blame for Trump's election, except to the extent such a thing can be prevented from ever happening again. I feel, though, that to the extent this massive *******up resulted from a large and complicated mix of factors which caused such widespread frustration with and distrust of business and government as usual that a Trump could become President, we are all responsible. For feeding our perceived need for all the shyt we seem compelled to buy. For the debt we willingly incur to have much of that shyt. For the energy we consume, often thoughtlessly. For constantly looking out for our own interests, which makes us so easy to manipulate. For looking the other way when someone makes a bigoted comment in our presence. For giving up power and control one small measure at a time. For retreating.

 

[The Rube]

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Looks like I reignited this discussion, which I regret, though I can see why it happened. I don't much care about who is to blame for Trump's election, except to the extent such a thing can be prevented from ever happening again. I feel, though, that to the extent this massive *******up resulted from a large and complicated mix of factors which caused such widespread frustration with and distrust of business and government as usual that a Trump could become President, we are all responsible. For feeding our perceived need for all the shyt we seem compelled to buy. For the debt we willingly incur to have much of that shyt. For the energy we consume, often thoughtlessly. For constantly looking out for our own interests, which makes us so easy to manipulate. For looking the other way when someone makes a bigoted comment in our presence. For giving up power and control one small measure at a time. For retreating.

Trump happened to catch lightning in a bottle. People were sick of the political machine (like it or not, fair or not, Hillary will ALWAYS be tied to her husband's dealings, public or private, political or not). Add to that her own actions and attitudes and ties....unfortunately, Trump was the benefactor of this anger.

The Dems say that they could have run just about anyone other than Hillary against Trump and they would have won. They are most likely correct.
The Repubs say that they could have run just about anyone other than Trump against Hillary and they would have won. They are also most likely correct.

All parties screwed up, in a big time way.

 

[Kepler]

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Watching the White House lackeys lie on the morning shows is staggering. They simply say what they want. They have contempt for the truth and for the public.

The day cannot come soon enough when these halfwits return to their much-deserved impotence.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

All parties screwed up, in a big time way.

How have the Republicans screwed up exactly? Please enlighten us.

 

[busterman62]

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How have the Republicans screwed up exactly? Please enlighten us.

Have you been asleep since 1/20/17? They have and will continue to assume that they have a mandate and govern as such.

Brent and burd nailed it. The Repubs are in power only due to a perfect storm and being ever so slightly less stupid than the Dems

 

[unofan]

Have you been asleep since 1/20/17? They have and will continue to assume that they have a mandate and govern as such.

Brent and burd nailed it. The Repubs are in power only due to a perfect storm and being ever so slightly less stupid than the Dems

The GOP controls well over half of state governments outright and both chambers of Congress. And tons and tons of local governmental entities.

That's not a perfect storm, that's winning bigly. They got lucky on POTUS, but they rolled the undercard.

 

[burd]

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The GOP controls well over half of state governments outright and both chambers of Congress. And tons and tons of local governmental entities.

That's not a perfect storm, that's winning bigly. They got lucky on POTUS, but they rolled the undercard.

A very sobering reality.

 

[busterman62]

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The GOP controls well over half of state governments outright and both chambers of Congress. And tons and tons of local governmental entities.

That's not a perfect storm, that's winning bigly. They got lucky on POTUS, but they rolled the undercard.

You are correct about the state and local elections but POTUS was the topic.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

You are correct about the state and local elections but POTUS was the topic.

Wrong.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The GOP controls well over half of state governments outright and both chambers of Congress. And tons and tons of local governmental entities.

That's not a perfect storm, that's winning bigly. They got lucky on POTUS, but they rolled the undercard.

I remember hearing, so take this for what it's worth, but something like 20-30 state legislature seats separate the GOP from passing whatever constitutional amendments they want.

The state legislatures could be what dooms this country.

 

[geezer]

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Bernie beat Hill in Michigan without even joining a party. He would have dominated in the Midwest in a general election. When MI/WI go Repub you know the D candidate had to be the worst candidate in the history of people. The bad news? Hill is running again in 2020