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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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dxmnkd316 said:
Or, you know, enact policies that prevent mining operations from dumping coal into streams, put a leash on Wall Street with Dodd-Frank, prevent (or slow) companies from inverting and not pay their fair share, move us away from global disaster by regulating carbon emissions, prevent mentally unstable people from obtaining firearms, ensure we have national standards that are upheld to ensure our children are educated, fund science and research.

You know, the things that prevent republicans and corporations from completely raping the landscape.
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The thing is, most R voters don't care. You and I care and we don't even have kids- but we don't want the earth ruined in a few generations. Heck I'm willing to pay more taxes to ensure it. But the R voters only care about themselves and now- env restrictions hurt jobs?!? Stop the job creators from creating? They will literally sacrifice the future of their great grandkids rather than get more educated and change with the job market
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The thing is, most R voters don't care. You and I care and we don't even have kids- but we don't want the earth ruined in a few generations. Heck I'm willing to pay more taxes to ensure it. But the R voters only care about themselves and now- env restrictions hurt jobs?!? Stop the job creators from creating? They will literally sacrifice the future of their great grandkids rather than get more educated and change with the job market
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It's sad and pathetic, isn't it? To double down on your point about not having kids, I voted in favor of my district's referendum to increase property taxes to fund the schools. I figure three things are true: 1) I pay a hundred or two more per year to improve schools and, in turn, my neighborhood becomes more attractive to live in due to improved schools and my property value goes up by at least that same amount more than it would have. 2) I'm a firm believer in the public education system. Without it, we would be lost as a nation. 3). It's the right goddam thing to do, even if I don't have kids.

If you ask a conservative to increase funding to the schools, you'll hear things like the schools already have too much money or they don't do a good job. They might point to a private school that produces much better results. Which is ridiculous because those schools have rich backers, charge more than I paid for college, and get to pick the students who get in.

The great thing about the US school system unlike so many others in 1st world countries is that we provide K-12 no matter the person. Creed, class, color, intelligence, etc.

To a conservative, increasing funding is abhorrent for whatever reason they use to justIfy their position. But the bottom line translation comes down to: **** you, I've got mine.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Uh, uno, you sort of said the same thing. I'd say Drew took and just defined what "stay on message" more often than not sounds like.

Mrs. Clinton lost, in part, because she had no clear message on the economy. If she said "IT SUCKS!" she'd be dis'n Mr. Obama and she'd not be separating from Trump. By not saying anything she allowed Trump to win that message space (and thus WI, MI, and PA).

This is an area where liberals should define the message and stay on message. (I don't believe Trump's economy is going to work so it'll be ripe for targeting.)
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Thing is, the economy doesn't suck. It sucks for some people, but not for everybody- the last two years were the two best ever in the auto industry. Twice as large as 2009, when we were all told that 9M will be the new normal.

And Jan, which Trump takes credit for, was just more of the same. So the economy goes from disaster to good before anything is done.

That was all part of the lie- convincing people that they were miserable, even though their lives were fine. Convincing others that people are in terrible shape so that impacts what they are doing.

I will agree that the bonus isn't for everyone- even though production is twice as large as it was in 2009, the number of people working is quite a bit fewer than in 2009- so, once again, the people who benefit the most are the top of the top.

None the less- it was all part of the grand lie, as far as I'm concerned.

I am very fearful that don will take the economy into the dumps, since the last two times we tried trickle down economics it turned into recessions.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The thing is, most R voters don't care. You and I care and we don't even have kids- but we don't want the earth ruined in a few generations. Heck I'm willing to pay more taxes to ensure it. But the R voters only care about themselves and now- env restrictions hurt jobs?!? Stop the job creators from creating? They will literally sacrifice the future of their great grandkids rather than get more educated and change with the job market
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Such BS, its not funny.

There are 1000's of high skilled jobs out there to meet those rules- I'm one of them. Many thousands.

But R's don't want to listen to it.

Next time someone brings it up, since jobs are more important than lives, I'm going to suggest to them to create a job. ;)
 
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To be fair, regulations are expensive. To companies and therefore to the consumer. But what republicans can't or won't admit is that the cost of those regulations is pennies compared to the impact they are intended to prevent.

Environmental disasters are becoming more frequent. Environmental spills are monstrously expensive. Preventing the unstable from obtaining firearms to save tens if not hundreds of millions in litigation. Banking restrictions to prevent another Great Recession. The costs of these are orders and orders of magnitude greater than the cost of regulation.
 
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Not to redirect the commentary, but the White House's appeal on the court overturning the Muslim ban is being heard in the 9th circuit court of appeals.

I would say they should be generally favorable to Minnesota and Washington. But crazier things have happened.
 
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alfablue said:
Such BS, its not funny.

There are 1000's of high skilled jobs out there to meet those rules- I'm one of them. Many thousands.

But R's don't want to listen to it.

Next time someone brings it up, since jobs are more important than lives, I'm going to suggest to them to create a job. ;)
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I think the bigger issue is there is a mismatch between supply and demand. There is a large supply of the lower wage (<$50K a year) jobs and only so many people interested in them. Within the group that is interested a decent percentage of them have something holding them back from obtaining one.

One issue I don't think gets much attention but should is how little average, reasonably priced housing is available. I'm sure it varies across the country but in New England this is a big issue for millennials.
 
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White House published the list of secret terror attacks. On there? San Bernadino,Paris and Orlando.

You can't make this **** up
 
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I don't know if I'd live in NY or Boston with double my salary. It's something that millenials are going to have to cope with.

What do you prospose to fix it?

ETA: don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to live in NYC or Boston, but I like my standard of living in Minnesota. I'm 32, have zero student debt, a 15-year home loan with less than 13 years left, a new car, and I get to travel. I wouldn't trade living in Boston for that.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I don't know if I'd live in NY or Boston with double my salary. It's something that millenials are going to have to cope with.

What do you prospose to fix it?

ETA: don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to live in NYC or Boston, but I like my standard of living in Minnesota. I'm 32, have zero student debt, a 15-year home loan with less than 13 years left, a new car, and I get to travel. I wouldn't trade living in Boston for that.
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I know one thing he won't propose! Using tax money in a program to help young people buy homes and construction companies build new affordable housing.
 
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Has anyone checked to see if the media covered the Super Bowl last night?
 
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unofan said:
The dems need to stop getting mad at the outrage of the day and stay on message.

The Republicans seem to carry almost all single issue voters. Even on here that's generally true, whether it's abortion (Joe, Bob), guns (Drew), etc.

The right protests just as much as the left, but they are better at staying on target. Hell, even the women's march started to turn into a circus when people complained that they needed to bring race and gender identity and other issues into it as well. And let's not start with the shiat show that the Occupy Wall Street movement turned into. You want to talk about being dealt a winning hand (politically) and ****ing it down the drain...
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Nailed it!
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I don't know if I'd live in NY or Boston with double my salary. It's something that millenials are going to have to cope with.

What do you prospose to fix it?

ETA: don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to live in NYC or Boston, but I like my standard of living in Minnesota. I'm 32, have zero student debt, a 15-year home loan with less than 13 years left, a new car, and I get to travel. I wouldn't trade living in Boston for that.
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I'm not sure what would fix it in any sort of meaningful way. You could put a surcharge on each sq ft above a certain threshold, say 2000 sq ft. I don't know how much difference it would make though. In this area its a problem that has developed over 30 to 40 years and isn't going to be fixed overnight. There could be changes to zoning laws but those would obviously be vigorously opposed by those who already own houses.

I'd be fine moving to another part of the country, and I'm sure there are areas that would make more sense, but no way my gf would ever be on board with it. It goes against conventional wisdom but I think for a lot of millennials there are probably better opportunities in areas outside of Boston, NY, SF, etc. You've got a great setup!
 
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Kepler said:
Correct.

The latter is unreproduceable, but the former will keep killing us as long as we keep telling the truth. So stop. The GOP figured this out under Reagan. And after Trump it appears that even getting caught in overt lies doesn't matter any more. So, if the public doesn't respond to the truth, just lie. Disconnect campaign rhetoric from reality, promise anything, get into power, then do what we were gonna do anyway and if we're right conditions will improve. If we're wrong we can try something else but in the meantime just lie and say things are great! That is right's current model of campaigning, and it works.

For 36 years the Democrats have been the party of graduate school and the Republicans have been the party of junior high school. Well, a lot more people went to junior high school than graduate school. Stop trying to appeal to people's intelligence and start appealing to their "gut." I know, I know, that's all BS, but the point is they don't and never will.

You don't win elections by saying, "hey -- you guys have really been stupid!" You win by saying, "hey, you guys are GREAT , now let's go kill THE OTHER!"

Just make the other the rich. Poor people hate the rich by instinct anyway. Shouldn't be that hard.
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I have never agreed with one of your posts more.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I am shocked that 9/11 wasn't on there. Did you check for 9/11?
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Well Mayor 9/11 Giuliani forgot about it during the election and his whole career is based on that...
 
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