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POTUS 45.3 - Bowling Green Massacre Memorial Thread

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"Just sign it dummy":

Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.
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Obamacare and Dodd Frank are evidence that the Federal Government can't solve problems that they're responsible to solve. So, what's the point? Trump's dismantling the laws now. The Republicans have no new ideas for Health Care. Dodd Frank was put in place as a result of the devastating financial collapse.

The core problem. No one went to jail. It's legal to destroy the US economy.

What's the point?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The core problem. No one went to jail. It's legal to destroy the US economy.

What's the point?
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An institution serves its stakeholders. With bribery legal, the government will serve only the rich. The core problem is bribery is legal.
 
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For your consideration,

The centrist liberal on the Fargo Forum staff, Mike (McFooly) McFeely and "Trump bashers should heed Wisconsin's lessons"

Careful, lefties. There's a real possibility the more you complain, whine, stomp your feet, protest and belly-ache, the more you are assuring the continued success of President Donald Trump.

And, perhaps, his re-election in 2020.

Is that a thought too horrific to consider, ...

Not so fast, says political scientist Lawrence Jacobs of the University of Minnesota.

There's a chance, Jacobs says, that the protests and marches against Trump are galvanizing the new president's support among his base and perhaps even drawing in new people.
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And The Fargo Forum's resident libertarian conservative, Rob Port. (I really don't like Port's views on a lot of State level issues, but he and I are probably the only two libertarian leaning conservatives in ND that did not vote for Trump.)

"With violence and extremism, the Left has lost the moral high ground on Trump"

I desperately want Donald Trump to be a good President.

If he could unravel the harmful policies of the Obama administration, and take a wrecking ball to entrenched bureaucratic and political power in Washington D.C., he could go down as one of our nation's greatest leaders.

Or he could become a laughing stock. An embarrassing political footnote. Something akin to Minnesota electing Jesse Ventura to be governor.

Sometimes the moment can make the man. I've been waiting for Democrats to rise to the occasion of the Trump presidency by becoming the loyal opposition.

Trump would be a better sort of president, I believe, if faced with principled, reasoned, rational dissent.

Unfortunately what we've gotten from the left has been petulance and a violent sort of extremism.
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Kepler said:
An institution serves its stakeholders..
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That wasn't always the case. An institution used to serve it's community, it's employees, and it's stakeholders. Now that we've switched to a stakeholder only model we've introduced systemic destruction to everything.
 
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Kepler said:
An institution serves its stakeholders. With bribery legal, the government will serve only the rich. The core problem is bribery is legal.
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Most members of Congress spend more than half their time fundraising for re-election. I understand that term limits would only strengthen those in the entrenched bureaucracy, but we have to figure out a way that Congress acts like Congress and not pan-handlers.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Most members of Congress spend more than half their time fundraising for re-election. I understand that term limits would only strengthen those in the entrenched bureaucracy, but we have to figure out a way that Congress acts like Congress and not pan-handlers.
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Public funding of elections.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
For your consideration,

The centrist liberal on the Fargo Forum staff, Mike (McFooly) McFeely and "Trump bashers should heed Wisconsin's lessons"



And The Fargo Forum's resident libertarian conservative, Rob Port. (I really don't like Port's views on a lot of State level issues, but he and I are probably the only two libertarian leaning conservatives in ND that did not vote for Trump.)

"With violence and extremism, the Left has lost the moral high ground on Trump"
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Yet the Tea Party was a raving success.

I think Handy hit the nail on the head. Dumb people in Middle America would rather be lied to than told the truth. Why? Cause telling them the truth is akin to talking down to them. I do not see any way possible for the Democrats to be able to get out of that box.

Their only hope is massive massive turn out and a candidate to like cause they won't vote for one they don't like.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I think Handy hit the nail on the head. Dumb people in Middle America would rather be lied to than told the truth. Why? Cause telling them the truth is akin to talking down to them. I do not see any way possible for the Democrats to be able to get out of that box.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7K9k84R5ok

Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor.
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Now it's serious. It's not just costing lives, it's costing money.

I'd like to think that whereas morality won't stop bad policy, simple greed might. But then: Kansas, Wisconsin, North Carolina... :(
 
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The Sicatoka said:
For your consideration,

The centrist liberal on the Fargo Forum staff, Mike (McFooly) McFeely and "Trump bashers should heed Wisconsin's lessons"



And The Fargo Forum's resident libertarian conservative, Rob Port. (I really don't like Port's views on a lot of State level issues, but he and I are probably the only two libertarian leaning conservatives in ND that did not vote for Trump.)

"With violence and extremism, the Left has lost the moral high ground on Trump"
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Oh please. The right spent 8 years petulantly digging in their heels and fantasizing about a Second American Revolution to take out the "Kenyan Mooselimb Usurper" and "The Wicked Witch of the Left". Suddenly now that your boy is in power and the left has a handful of demonstrations, the double standard is that they are the childish ones? :rolleyes:
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Oh please. The right spent 8 years petulantly digging in their heels and fantasizing about a Second American Revolution to take out the "Kenyan Mooselimb Usurper" and "The Wicked Witch of the Left". Suddenly now that your boy is in power and the left has a handful of demonstrations, the double standard is that they are the childish ones? :rolleyes:
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Both sides have been childish while the other party occupies The White House. So long as both sides are childish, neither can claim the moral high ground.
 
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St. Clown said:
Both sides have been childish while the other party occupies The White House. So long as both sides are childish, neither can claim the moral high ground.
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So, we're saying protests are childish now? Really?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, we're saying protests are childish now? Really?
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Protests are fine, so long as they're protesting peacefully and legally. Have the protests been meeting these two criteria? Most have, yes, but not all have. Also, playing the game of refusing to enter the Capitol Building for the confirmation hearings is extremely childish, as much so as McConnell declaring that his job was to make Pres. Obama a one-term president, and saying with a priggish smirk on his face all the while.
 
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St. Clown said:
Protests are fine, so long as they're protesting peacefully and legally. Have the protests been meeting these two criteria? Most have, yes, but not all have. Also, playing the game of refusing to enter the Capitol Building for the confirmation hearings is extremely childish, as much so as McConnell declaring that his job was to make Pres. Obama a one-term president, and saying with a priggish smirk on his face all the while.
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First, the vast, vast majority of protests since inauguration have been peaceful and legal. Almost everyone on the left denounced the Berkley protests.

Second, don't forget that Republicans pulled that same stunt in committee by boycotting one of Obama's nominees. They also blocked his SCOTUS nominee for an entire year.
 
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St. Clown said:
Protests are fine, so long as they're protesting peacefully and legally. Have the protests been meeting these two criteria? Most have, yes, but not all have. Also, playing the game of refusing to enter the Capitol Building for the confirmation hearings is extremely childish, as much so as McConnell declaring that his job was to make Pres. Obama a one-term president, and saying with a priggish smirk on his face all the while.
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I don't see the Democrats having any choice on staying out of the confirmation hearings. Their logical follow up questions and requests for information that was provided by every other cabinet nominee in history was denied by the majority.

You're playing the false equivalency game. This is the media's fault and the Electorate's fault for not having enough bandwidth for the truth.
 
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