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POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem

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geezer said:
It’s not one man, though. Trump is the visible, festering boil that was given rise to by a long-term underlying infection. The good news is that we can now lance that boil and treat the wound... or we can watch it turn gangrenous and kill the patient/country. I say we impeach and cleanse. In the long run it’ll be good.
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To do that you have to have enough thinking people. We are watching history repeat itself. Hitler mesmerized Germany and people said never again. We are in the middle of the 'again'. Group think is really, really scary. You would think it would be easy to spread correct information but it is easier to spread manipulated information.

WeAreNDHockey said:
Read today that nine of the ten states that will see the most people negatively affected by trump's most recent attack on ObamaCare are states that went solidly for trump last November.

My first choice would be that no American suffer from the fact we elected the most dangerously unqualified president in our history. But since he is the most dangerously unqualified president we've ever had, people are going to suffer. So if that's the case I am gleefully happy that many of them, and in some cases most of them, will be the people who most loudly supported him. Bring them to me and I will laugh at them and point out their stupidity to them. The only way they are deserving of my sympathy is if they honestly admit they were wrong. And even then I'm not so sure because their votes put us in this place and all of the signs were there that a vote for trump was a vote for chaos and suffering.
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this. Unfortunately they have chronically been underserved, have no idea what they could have if they were less stupid and will blame Obama for Obamacare because they never see anything but the media that tells them this is how to think.

rufus said:
Problem is, when Cletus looks at his insurance policy he's now had because of the ACA, and now sees that it's gonna cost him 50% more to keep it, he's not gonna blame Trumpy. It will be "that lousy Obamacare that everyone knew is failing". And you know why? Cause Trumpy told him so.

As to the fact that the only reason it failed was because Trumpy sabotaged it to make it fail, he won't have a friggin' clue.
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All of this!

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
With the possible exception of refugees, we have never held the moral high ground on any of those issues.
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We were attempting to work toward it. Now we are actively deconstructing any progress.
 
leswp1 said:
To do that you have to have enough thinking people. We are watching history repeat itself. Hitler mesmerized Germany and people said never again. We are in the middle of the 'again'. Group think is really, really scary. You would think it would be easy to spread correct information but it is easier to spread manipulated information.
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geezer said:
There are 30,000 US service members in SK, and a ton in Japan. However, I fear their deaths would only cause the Trumpies to double down on blowing up everything.
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as long as they don't get caught and held as prisoner. those guys aren't heroes
 
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You really wanna get sick to your stomach. I watched 60 minutes last night. They had a report on the opioid crisis. You wanna know how corrupt our government is? You wanna know that this happened under the Obama administration. You want to know that the bill that everyone is talking about passed both Houses of Congress by unanimous consent. Yeah, it flew through. Everyone agreed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...rug-industry-congress/?utm_term=.be4c0d451934
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-dea-agent-opioid-crisis-fueled-by-drug-industry-and-congress/

In April 2016, at the height of the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history, Congress effectively stripped the Drug Enforcement Administration of its most potent weapon against large drug companies suspected of spilling prescription narcotics onto the nation’s streets.

The chief advocate of the law that hobbled the DEA was Rep. Tom Marino, a Pennsylvania Republican who is now President Trump’s nominee to become the nation’s next drug czar. Marino spent years trying to move the law through Congress. It passed after Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) negotiated a final version with the DEA.
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This is beyond sickening.
 
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leswp1 said:
We were attempting to work toward it. Now we are actively deconstructing any progress.
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Obama had it right in talking about "the perfectibility of the union" and "the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice." Civilization consists of: (1) recognizing the status quo is flawed and (2) changing the way things have always been done to reduce want and intolerance. That's the Long Game.

America has played a part in that, not exceptionally but also overall as a force in the right direction. People vote with their feet and for most of our history more people ran here than ran away. Improvement isn't inevitable or smooth. We move a few steps forward then a few (hopefully fewer) steps back. We're currently backsliding. As long as we don't break something fundamental, or, ya know, end life on Earth, we will emerge from this and start moving forward again.

Very few people want to actually move us towards injustice. The people who push us in that direction are typically ignorant and afraid. There are a few people who knowingly move us towards injustice as a way to accrue personal status, but those are sociopaths: vanishingly infrequent. On the other hand, tons of people work towards justice. Conflicting views of what constitutes justice tend to resolve over time: not a lot of people these days think owning other humans is just.

It is a shame that currently America has become a force for bad, but hopefully that is very temporary.
 
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LOL.

President Donald Trump apparently has a tendency to mock Vice President Mike Pence over his religious views and political stance against abortion and LGBT rights, according to a Sunday report in the New Yorker.

Trump once asked a group of people who had just met with Pence, “Did Mike make you pray?” according to a campaign aide who spoke with the New Yorker.

The President also is said to poke fun at Pence’s views on abortion and LGBT rights. When a legal scholar told Trump and Pence that states would likely legalize abortion themselves if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Trump told the Vice President, “You’ve wasted all this time and energy on it, and it’s not going to end abortion anyway,” per the New Yorker.

When they started discussing LGBT rights, the New Yorker reported that Trump joked, “Don’t ask that guy—he wants to hang them all!”
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SJHovey said:
This should be interesting.
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Mark Burnett is already worth about $250 million, so I doubt that moves the needle.

It also raises the larger question of, what evidence exactly would turn public opinion enough for Congress to move forward with impeachment? The list of stuff you can cross off--sexual assault, defrauding thousands of Americans, obstruction of justice, pay-for-play--is pretty formidable. It goes back to a point that I'm not even sure Trump himself understands, since he's apparently still moping about his endorsement of Luther Strange failing. There's not some cult of personality around Trump himself that his supporters love. The people that still come to his support any time he does anything are just ****ty, miserable people that feel the rest of society catching up to them in terms of privilege, and the ability to make those people mad is the last vestige of power they have.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Mark Burnett is already worth about $250 million, so I doubt that moves the needle.

It also raises the larger question of, what evidence exactly would turn public opinion enough for Congress to move forward with impeachment?
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Major premise: Trump won't lose Republican support because Republicans reject any fact that challenges their worldview.

Minor premise: A Republican Congress won't impeach while Trump has Republican support.

Conclusion: As long as Congress is Republican, impeachment is impossible.

Q. E. D.
 
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I wonder if there’s anyone who still respects Pence. His own dog probably dumps in his shoes by now.
 
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Kepler said:
Major premise: Trump won't lose Republican support because Republicans reject any fact that challenges their worldview.

Minor premise: A Republican Congress won't impeach while Trump has Republican support.

Conclusion: As long as Congress is Republican, impeachment is impossible.

Q. E. D.
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A gay sex tape would probably do it if it was obvious it was him and not Alec Baldwin....base would flip in half a heartbeat.
 
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geezer said:
I wonder if there’s anyone who still respects Pence. His own dog probably dumps in his shoes by now.
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The Thumpers still swoon over him because yay theocracy. Evidently he's dumb as a doorstop, so he would be very easy to manage like Dubya -- the Club for Growth types really like that.
 
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