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POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides

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Trump is a complete jagoff but I gotta say him not being the situation room - while somewhat perplexing - is a nothingburger as long as he was paying attention to briefs.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Trump is a complete jagoff but I gotta say him not being the situation room - while somewhat perplexing - is a nothingburger as long as he was paying attention to briefs.
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*sigh* I have to agree. As long as he's briefed and ready for action if need be...if he just said "Eh, I trust you guys" then I'd be REALLY effin' worried.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Trump is a complete jagoff but I gotta say him not being the situation room - while somewhat perplexing - is a nothingburger as long as he was paying attention to briefs.
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Which he purportedly blows off when he's not in the mood, so...
 
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Brenthoven said:
*sigh* I have to agree. As long as he's briefed and ready for action if need be...if he just said "Eh, I trust you guys" then I'd be REALLY effin' worried.
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He was busy tweeting about the failing nytimes, do you really think he said something other than Eh, I trust you guys?
 
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He'll trust them until they have some big (#$*#($ up that no one can ignore, and then he'll fire them and take no responsibility for it. In fact, he'll take credit for realizing they were "losers" and needed to be fired. It's "The Donald Way".
 
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Slap Shot said:
Trump is a complete jagoff but I gotta say him not being the situation room - while somewhat perplexing - is a nothingburger as long as he was paying attention to briefs.
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Normally yes. I would agree. But considering this was his first major raid, I'm not going to give him a pass. If this was his hundredth, fine. But he needs to learn everything he can about these raids.

More importantly he needs to understand the human side of these. He should need to hear the calls going out. He should hear and see the firefight. He should gain as intimate a knowledge of the execution as he can so he can understand, in the future, when he has the right intel and briefings.

I totally picture the dinner being interrupted, him being asked to review and sign the orders, a quick page through, "Are they ready?" "Yessir". "I don't see any problem then." And then he signs the order.

He doesn't question the intel. He doesn't press his generals to ensure they really have not joust enough intel or the right intel but enough of the right intel. He needs to weigh that against what could go wrong and what they stand to gain.

He doesn't, he didn't, and this was a complete disaster.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Thanks, I just spit water through my nose.

Donald understands nothing but himself, and he doesn't care to truly understand anyone else.
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:rolleyes:

Yes, obviously he's a giant dick and sociopath. I'm just saying why I'm not going to give him a pass.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Normally yes. I would agree. But considering this was his first major raid, I'm not going to give him a pass. If this was his hundredth, fine. But he needs to learn everything he can about these raids.

More importantly he needs to understand the human side of these. He should need to hear the calls going out. He should hear and see the firefight. He should gain as intimate a knowledge of the execution as he can so he can understand, in the future, when he has the right intel and briefings.

I totally picture the dinner being interrupted, him being asked to review and sign the orders, a quick page through, "Are they ready?" "Yessir". "I don't see any problem then." And then he signs the order.

He doesn't question the intel. He doesn't press his generals to ensure they really have not joust enough intel or the right intel but enough of the right intel. He needs to weigh that against what could go wrong and what they stand to gain.

He doesn't, he didn't, and this was a complete disaster.
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This.

If he had ordered a drone strike, fine, go out to dinner. But he sent troops in on the ground, that deserves his attendance.
 
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Let me rephrase. Maybe I was too easy on him but I think you all know how I feel about him in general so this is not a Sic/SJ moment.

Many of the counter replies to my comment make sense and I don't disagree. What I really should have conveyed more adeptly is that there is so much noise about the man (much of it completely legitimate) that I fear it's going to eventually drown itself out to the point some of the people that might/should listen to the criticism will eventually cover their ears and stop listening. I probably should have chosen a different issue to draw that out.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
http://theslot.jezebel.com/this-is-not-normal-1791911524

Interesting concept. By the end of Year One, every sentence will have its story.
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Trump ran against "normal", the business as usual Washington. He won. Don't be surprised when he's not ... normal. Like I said in a previous post, he's behaving like a new CEO hired to come in and fix a distressed company, not a normal DC politician.


It's hard to do, but step back and look at it objectively and you'll see it.
(Whether you like CEOs or that approach is surely a whole thread of its own.)
 
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Step back and look at it objectively? What does that even mean?

Am I supposed to find that reassuring as he and the republicans dismantle Dodd-Frank, the EPA, and our international relationships?
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Now we're just straight up creating fake terror attacks. I introduce you to the Bowling Green Massacre.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-to-defend-travel-ban/?utm_term=.e4afef75af5b
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I'm willing to bet a "cold adult beverage" that KAC meant to say "headed off a Bowling Green massacre."

Just more proof that Trump and his staff need to quit going off the cuff (interviews, Twitter) and actually prepare and practice "talking points" before going out into the world of media looking for them to incorrectly use a past participle or a gerund or other grammar atrocities.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Step back and look at it objectively? What does that even mean?
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I'm strictly talking about patterns of behavior and not specific (in this case political) actions.

His pattern of behavior is that of a new CEO coming in to put things in the order he wants them --> full steam ahead; if you're not on-board you're in the way and will get run over.

If you've ever worked for a large company that's had a new CEO come in you know what I'm talking about.

And when you step back and look at the pattern of behavior, objectively, you'll see it.
 
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