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POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides

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Drew S. said:
I'm not questioning the size of either and obviously China has had unbelievable growth. I think each is going to have their fairs share of challenges in the years ahead though(we might as well.) With China, I just don't have much trust in them, rational or irrational as that may be.
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Trust?

I thought this was all about making money. We are ready to sacrifice the environment for money, we are certainly happy to trade off human life for money.

This isn't about trust- it's just about money.

don's going to make a fortune.
 
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Trump killed a Navy SEAL because he sent them in on a mission that Obama passed on due to lack of available intel--based on advice from his son-in-law, who the Trump team bragged had "overcome" anti-nepotism laws to become a top advisor--and surprise!, it went poorly.

I imagine anyone who was up in arms about Benghazi!!! will be deeply concerned about this....unless there was some other factor guiding that outrage.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Trump killed a Navy SEAL because he sent them in on a mission that Obama passed on due to lack of available intel--based on advice from his son-in-law, who the Trump team bragged had "overcome" anti-nepotism laws to become a top advisor--and surprise!, it went poorly.

I imagine anyone who was up in arms about Benghazi!!! will be deeply concerned about this....unless there was some other factor guiding that outrage.
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Benghazi was much much much much worse.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Trump killed a Navy SEAL because he sent them in on a mission that Obama passed on due to lack of available intel--based on advice from his son-in-law, who the Trump team bragged had "overcome" anti-nepotism laws to become a top advisor--and surprise!, it went poorly.

I imagine anyone who was up in arms about Benghazi!!! will be deeply concerned about this....unless there was some other factor guiding that outrage.
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Has this story changed? The major newspaper reports I saw yesterday said that it was an operation planned during Obama's last weeks or months in office, and was a go, but the only reason it actually happened during the first day or two of the Trump administration was for operational reasons, with the one reported being they wanted a night with either no moon or a full moon, I don't recall which. In fact, I think the stories even cited an Obama administration official as confirming that they hadn't scrubbed it, but it had just been delayed to wait for those lighting conditions.

Are there different reports out now?
 
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SJHovey said:
Has this story changed? The major newspaper reports I saw yesterday said that it was an operation planned during Obama's last weeks or months in office, and was a go, but the only reason it actually happened during the first day or two of the Trump administration was for operational reasons, with the one reported being they wanted a night with either no moon or a full moon, I don't recall which. In fact, I think the stories even cited an Obama administration official as confirming that they hadn't scrubbed it, but it had just been delayed to wait for those lighting conditions.

Are there different reports out now?
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It wasn't a go. Obama never green lighted it.
 
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Thinking some more..

Have come to the conclusion that Lawyers are going to make a FORTUNE in this administration.

As I look back on trump Co and seeing the same patterns in the first two weeks- there's little discussion of the rules, little thought about application or legality of the rules. If you don't like them, you can either get fired (see the acting AG or just leave (see the response to the State Department). Which leaves the courts to decide whether EO's (and potentially many laws coming from this group) are legal or not. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

We already know that environmental groups are lining up lawyers to fight cut backs at the EPA. If you don't think this will work- many of EPA's rules are due to them being sued. We saw this travel ban that has to be fought in court as opposed to properly coming up with a plan that doesn't screw everything up.

And I'm quite sure that the courts will be attacked for "legislating from the bench" whenever a law or rule is overturned for not actually being legal.

What sucks- in the time from the law or rule being announced to the point where it's either suspended or quickly overturned- thousands of people will suffer, illegally. And with no consequence other than *maybe* getting paid off for it.

Having lunch with a don fan, he's perfectly ok with that. Enforce the rules and "laws" even if they are not legal.

Something to really look forward to.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Separation of Church and State is a good thing too. You start putting campaigns into Churches and you're going to destroy the country. Threatening colleges and universities from funding is also dangerous. Free speech goes both ways.
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If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 2, 2017
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Where does church & state come into this? That's completely outside the context of his tweet and my point. UC Berkeley is a public school that receives federal funding, unless you're equating colleges and universities with churches now. Because that would turn really dangerous for the state of education.
 
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St. Clown said:
Where does church & state come into this? That's completely outside the context of his tweet and my point. UC Berkeley is a public school that receives federal funding, unless you're equating colleges and universities with churches now. Because that would turn really dangerous for the state of education.
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Now two different issues. I addressed both in my posts below.
 
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SJHovey said:
Has this story changed? The major newspaper reports I saw yesterday said that it was an operation planned during Obama's last weeks or months in office, and was a go, but the only reason it actually happened during the first day or two of the Trump administration was for operational reasons,
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"Operational reasons" up to and including a president that valued the lives he was putting at stake and wasn't taking advice from a dip**** son-in-law that should never have been allowed near the White House.

But your argument is "Well yeah, but Obama might have too, even though he actually didn't..." Like I said, "some other factors".
 
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He really does look better by comparison to Trump.

Former first daughter Jenna Bush Hager is registering her opinion on Republican President Donald Trump's order temporarily suspending immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations with the words of her father, former President George W. Bush.

Bush Hager posted an excerpt on Twitter Tuesday from a 2001 speech her father, a fellow Republican, gave at the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C. following the 9/11 attacks. Her father said, "Islam is peace" in his remarks. He added that Muslims "make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country" and called for them to be "treated with respect."

Bush Hager said in her tweet that the speech is a reminder "to teach acceptance and love to our kids for all races, all religions."

Bush Hager is now a correspondent for NBC News.
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